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30 minutes ago, Captain_Morgan said:

 

Interestingly enough however, of the 19 crew who tested positive i believe 4 were Canadian and like the rest of the approx. 1200 crew are being left onboard and isolated there.

Not  criticizing the Canadian gov't but surely there would be less issue with landing and repatriating a Canadian crew member as compared to another foreign national?  Also, there's still the big unknown and otherwise unmentioned elephant in the room here with respect to the results of those passengers who've been disembarked and waiting for test results.  Sure they're already in isolation, but what happens to the ship and the conversation when the numbers of infected jumps from 2 passengers to many more??  Hard to believe that with 19 crew testing positive (approx 1.5% of the crew population onboard) that there won't be more cases of passengers testing positive, especially if 2 were waiters if i'm not mistaken and if 4 were Canadian i guarantee they would have been in a passenger facing role (i.e. pursers, photographers, boutique staff, etc)....just some food for thought

 

All 21 were the very first off and they left in ambulances.

 

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25 minutes ago, Captain_Morgan said:

 

Interestingly enough however, of the 19 crew who tested positive i believe 4 were Canadian and like the rest of the approx. 1200 crew are being left onboard and isolated there.

Not  criticizing the Canadian gov't but surely there would be less issue with landing and repatriating a Canadian crew member as compared to another foreign national?  Also, there's still the big unknown and otherwise unmentioned elephant in the room here with respect to the results of those passengers who've been disembarked and waiting for test results.  Sure they're already in isolation, but what happens to the ship and the conversation when the numbers of infected jumps from 2 passengers to many more??  Hard to believe that with 19 crew testing positive (approx 1.5% of the crew population onboard) that there won't be more cases of passengers testing positive, especially if 2 were waiters if i'm not mistaken and if 4 were Canadian i guarantee they would have been in a passenger facing role (i.e. pursers, photographers, boutique staff, etc)....just some food for thought

 

I don't think Canada would have treated the passengers or crew any differently.  They asked Canadian citizens and permanent residents to register into their system.  One policy they have consistently applied and stated in press conferences also applied in this case is that anyone who shows symptoms of being infected will not be on the flight and should obtain medical attention locally.  The same policy was applied with the flights form China and Japan.

 

I agree with the number of infected crew it is very likely we will see more passengers develop symptoms in the coming days. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Cruising Is Bliss said:

 

All 21 were the very first off and they left in ambulances.

 

OK, they mentioned on the  news last night that the crew were left onboard in isolation....but it still doesn't change the fact that those who tested positive were free to roam the ship for a duration of time prior to being confirmed as positive and then isolated...

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1 hour ago, a.madruga said:

I hope this will change the serving process of food at the buffet

such as they do on HAL.....

 

No, it won't change a thing.

As soon as this blows over, things will be back to normal once again. 

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Do not be so sure that WFM/HC serving process will not change.  This is a serious hit to the industry and is not going away anytime soon.  The medical people are saying that COVID19 is going away anytime soon similar to past experience.  They are fearful that it will return after a summer hiatus in the fall in a much larger presence maybe similar to the 1917/1918 flu epidemic but hopefully not.  Until a vaccine is found, tested and marketed we have no defense against this virus.  My onetime cruise on HAL I remember the buffet area with the serving line where they filled your plate cafeteria style with very few options to serve yourself.  It certainly would hold down noro outbreaks.  As for the subject of this thread, frivolous lawsuits are filed every day and this will most likely be one. 

 

 

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If they were so fearful, then they should have stayed home.  As far as I can tell, it's not mandatory to take a cruise and certainly they were aware of the problem beforehand.

 

I can't believe the lengths people will go for money...

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I'm surprised it actually took this long for someone to sue....

 

My opinion, I can't see the Carnival Cooperation(which owns Princess, pls correct me if i'm wrong), 'giving in' to this. If so, they will end up bankrupt. Once you pay the first lawsuit, how long before the class action suits begin?.....

 

Sad situation all around

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For those in Canada and Nevada that are doing home isolation, what are the logistics? How do they get from the the airport to their home?  If they are being transported on public transit from the plane to their homes, are they tested first?  Or only if they show symptoms?

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5 minutes ago, charmed1959 said:

For those in Canada and Nevada that are doing home isolation, what are the logistics? How do they get from the the airport to their home?  If they are being transported on public transit from the plane to their homes, are they tested first?  Or only if they show symptoms?

We will probably find out after they are transported home due to security risks. They will probably want the people to feel safe and not have any problems from wine crazy person who discovers the plan. 

 

Testing will most likely happen at a secure location prior to going home.

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31 minutes ago, KBYUCougar said:

We will probably find out after they are transported home due to security risks. They will probably want the people to feel safe and not have any problems from wine crazy person who discovers the plan. 

 

Testing will most likely happen at a secure location prior to going home.

honestly the price of going on a cruise is really getting high...really high...the 2 week quarantine (wherever that may be) plus what some are reporting upon completing the required quarantine and returning home only to be shunned by community and some friends.  These reports were made by DP returning passengers...one woman who NEVER had the virus included.  Given we know no little about the virus this was bound to happen.

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Wow....and this couple claims Carnival was more interested in PROFITS!?

They come off as the one's who want to profit!

If there's any justice in this world, they won't get a cent.

 

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HostCJ posted on another thread that a lawyer in the Miami area that routinely sues cruise lines filed the suit on behalf of the lawyers parents who are on the cruise

 

please correct this if wrong

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1 hour ago, kathy49 said:

honestly the price of going on a cruise is really getting high...really high...the 2 week quarantine (wherever that may be) plus what some are reporting upon completing the required quarantine and returning home only to be shunned by community and some friends.  These reports were made by DP returning passengers...one woman who NEVER had the virus included.  Given we know no little about the virus this was bound to happen.

 

This just happened in the 55+ community my brother lives in.  One of the residents returned from China a week ago and has not been self-quarantining and using the club house and health club.  They say they do not have the virus and were not told to self-quarantine and it is creating a real ruckus with the communities residents.....shunning is definitely something I can see happening if you were on a notorious COVID-19 cruise ship.

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5 minutes ago, PrincessLuver said:

 

This just happened in the 55+ community my brother lives in.  One of the residents returned from China a week ago and has not been self-quarantining and using the club house and health club.  They say they do not have the virus and were not told to self-quarantine and it is creating a real ruckus with the communities residents.....shunning is definitely something I can see happening if you were on a notorious COVID-19 cruise ship.

they don't have a clue if they have the virus...what an attitude but happening everywhere. Self quarantine especially when it involves your income and "social" life is just not going to work.

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1 hour ago, kathy49 said:

honestly the price of going on a cruise is really getting high...really high...the 2 week quarantine (wherever that may be) plus what some are reporting upon completing the required quarantine and returning home only to be shunned by community and some friends.  These reports were made by DP returning passengers...one woman who NEVER had the virus included.  Given we know no little about the virus this was bound to happen.

Given how many ships are out there, versus how few have actually been quarantined, that is a rather reckless statement.

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You know not in this discussion but I have to agree with Kathy the price is getting high and then they have you hostage for any drinks. Which we like on Vacation.

We are looking at land vacations at least there we can get to a store. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, jwattle said:

Given how many ships are out there, versus how few have actually been quarantined, that is a rather reckless statement.

anyone that goes on a cruise these days has to consider this...it would be "reckless" not to given the situation and warnings at least in the US. I it just a reality today...I hope this does not last long but the way it is.

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43 minutes ago, voljeep said:

HostCJ posted on another thread that a lawyer in the Miami area that routinely sues cruise lines filed the suit on behalf of the lawyers parents who are on the cruise

 

please correct this if wrong


The attorney who filed suit is actually the daughter of the couple. She is a personal injury attorney in Southwest Florida in Broward County.  One of the groups they sue happens to be cruise lines. 

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8 minutes ago, Reader0108598 said:

You know not in this discussion but I have to agree with Kathy the price is getting high and then they have you hostage for any drinks. Which we like on Vacation.

We are looking at land vacations at least there we can get to a store. 

 

 

The ship was not charging the passengers for anything and they zeroed out all they had bought during the sailing.  I followed some ladies who got mixed drinks delivered to their cabins. Plus how do you know if that cashier working probably minimum wage and cant afford to stay home has it or not.  It is now becoming more community spread...I have a gal at work who sits at her desk and when sick just coughs at her monitor...doesnt try to cover it at all...I would probably catch something here quicker than I would cruising. 

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2 hours ago, charmed1959 said:

For those in Canada and Nevada that are doing home isolation, what are the logistics? How do they get from the the airport to their home?  If they are being transported on public transit from the plane to their homes, are they tested first?  Or only if they show symptoms?

 

The Canadians off the Grand were flown directly from the ship to a Canadian Air Force base where they will be guests of the federal government for the next two weeks.  If they develop any symptoms they will be transferred to a provincial hospital.  If they are not sick at the end of the 14 days they are free to go. 

 

Boarder control (Federal government) only has the right to quarantine at point of entry and as long as needed to determine if someone has a disease or not.   The provincial governments have local quarantine laws that apply domestically.  

 

There have been Canadians that have arrived from other hot spots.  Boarder control seams to be able to identify these people before the aircraft lands.  They meet them at the door to the aircraft and do an assessment at the airport.  If they don't show symptoms reports have been they are allowed to continue but also refereed to the local provincial health authorities for follow up once they get home. 

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1 minute ago, em-sk said:

 

The Canadians off the Grand were flown directly from the ship to a Canadian Air Force base where they will be guests of the federal government for the next two weeks.  If they develop any symptoms they will be transferred to a provincial hospital.  If they are not sick at the end of the 14 days they are free to go. 

 

Boarder control (Federal government) only has the right to quarantine at point of entry and as long as needed to determine if someone has a disease or not.   The provincial governments have local quarantine laws that apply domestically.  

 

There have been Canadians that have arrived from other hot spots.  Boarder control seams to be able to identify these people before the aircraft lands.  They meet them at the door to the aircraft and do an assessment at the airport.  If they don't show symptoms reports have been they are allowed to continue but also refereed to the local provincial health authorities for follow up once they get home. 

sounds like Canada is at least doing a bit more than US...reports are that people coming from hotspots direct or via connections face little scruitany and no follow up. But seriously what government can really follow up on every person that returns from an affected cruise or country (most of Europe has it).?

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