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21 minutes ago, NSWP said:

Of course, Princess, RCI etc would deny that, they would say..'We have an Environmental Officer on board.' 


Princess-Carnival was recently (2019?) fined $20million for dumping plastic waste in amongst food in the Caribbean. This is very separate from the huge fine they got a few years earlier for their magic pipe to dump toxic liquids.

 

Not exactly model environmental citizens.
 

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22 minutes ago, NSWP said:

Of course, Princess, RCI etc would deny that, they would say..'We have an Environmental Officer on board.' 

They do not deny it, they openly state that is how  waste is processed on board and then distributed again.

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1 hour ago, MicCanberra said:

Yes, ships still dump waste into the sea, albeit that it is supposed to be thoroughly processed waste. food for the fishies.

 

The processed waste is not what they are fined for. When processed properly it is pretty much inert but for some reason there are still ships that skip the processing and dump raw waste. I can't understand why if you have the technology there you would cut corners like that. Clearly the fines pre Covid-19 weren't having enough of an impact😕. Maybe now their bleeding money they will think twice😁

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1 hour ago, Chiliburn said:

Cruise lines are not taking no for a answer.

 

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6216002526001

They are getting desperate for the $. If they stir the Government up too much they will incur their wrath and the ban will just keep on getting stretched.

 

Voyages to nowhere are designed for a particular class of person, booze cruises, not much social distancing or mask wearing would take place, drinking, dancing and god only knows what else.🤐

 

It is my view that no cruising happens until Covid19 vaccine is rolled out and covid vaccination be a requirement to book a cruise and/or embark. If it takes a year or two, them's the breaks, the safe breaks.

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1 hour ago, Chiliburn said:

Cruise lines are not taking no for a answer.

 

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6216002526001

This article has also appeared so seems someone is doing the rounds of the media.

 

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/cruising-in-sea-of-red-ink-a-plea-to-set-sail/news-story/c2a23c7e7425652688e3a52c72313c0b

 

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Well we need to get our act together.

 It’s expected we will be down 3mil Chinese tourists and Students next year.
 

We need to promote our self as a Safe destination for tourists. Both in security and health for other countries such as USA.

We are already a safe destination in terms as security,we need to show we are a virus safe destination.Health will be the next thing.
 

Get a couple of ships back and start the process.

Singapore is 6 months ahead of us.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Chiliburn said:

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Sorry I don't have a subscription and I was able to read it here is the text of it

 

Cruising in sea of red ink, a plea to set sail

 

The Australian cruise industry is threatening mutiny over the federal government’s cruise ship ban, which it claims has already cost $2bn in lost economic output ­nationally, and will cost a further $3bn as the suspension continues through the summer peak. And Australia’s large cruising community is demanding to be ­allowed back on the high seas, even if only in Australian waters and with no ports of call.

 

Last week’s extension of the prohibition on international routes until mid-March next year was expected, but the continued ban on domestic voyages — “doughnut trips” — has angered Australia’s cruise tragics.

 

Nothing was going to stop 50 “Cruiselings” getting back on the water at the weekend, even if it was just for a three-hour jaunt around Sydney Harbour. Ed and Patrea Stuttard are retired and live on the Gold Coast, but drove down to Sydney for the event. The couple have been on 49 cruises, all with P&O.

 

“We’d have done a lot more, but we only started four years ago,” quips Ed, 64. “We’re late bloomers.”

 

“After cruise number one we were addicted,” says Patrea, 61. “We took a two-week cruise and we didn’t want that to end, so they became much closer together after that.

 

“We’ve done Elvis cruises, country music cruises, comedy cruises — there’s something for everybody.”

 

Both say they have no concerns about cruising again, even after disasters like the Ruby Princess debacle, which resulted in 28 deaths and at least 854 passengers contracting COVID-19.

 

“People say, ‘will you cruise again?’ Yes, absolutely, 100 per cent. We will abide by the rules and do whatever P&O require of us to get on board,” says Patrea. “If you put the correct procedures in place there won’t be any issues,” says Ed, a retired micro­biologist.

 

“I mean if we can have 40,000 in Suncorp Stadium, why can’t we have 3000 on a cruise ship?”

The sold-out weekend harbour cruise was organised by Honida Beram, who runs the cruising fraternity’s most popular website(*), and is so upset by the ban she’s just started an online petition to allow domestic cruises.

 

That’s also what the industry is pushing for — a staggered return to cruises, starting with “voyages to nowhere” — simply out to sea — then to domestic ports, then to New Zealand and some Pacific islands, before full international travel resumes.

 

“Given the extensive new health protocols cruise lines have developed, we believe there’s an opportunity to work towards carefully controlled domestic itineraries for Australians only,” Joel Katz, managing director Australasia of Cruise Lines International Association, told The Australian.

 

The industry has developed a comprehensive set of measures including 100 per cent testing of passengers and crew before boarding, quarantine arrangements for ships and crew before resuming operations in Australia, and enhanced screening, sanitation and distancing requirements.

 

“This would allow domestic cruises to operate within an Australian bubble,” Mr Katz said.

The industry is already gearing up for a busy year with five large ships from P&O and Carnival Australia scheduled to conduct multiple cruises from Sydney and Brisbane between May and August. Two of those ships had been scheduled to visit the South Pacific, but those plans were changed last week to local cruises.

 

From October another 394 cruises are planned from all the main local ports on 30 separate ships around the Australian coastline, South Pacific and New Zealand.

Another group that can’t wait are Australia’s travel agents.

 

“For this vital next summer cruise season to go ahead safely and successfully, the resumption plan needs to commence as soon as possible to allow enough time,” says Dan Russell, who’s family-owned Clean Cruising business has been hit hard by the bans. “The clock is ticking, there’s no question about that.”

 

Mr Russell says it is vital that travel agents survive because “the cruise is a complex product and it will be even more now with the new COVID-19 protocols”.

 

But the government’s extension of the cruise ban was backed by clinical epidemiologist Fiona Stanaway, from Sydney University.

 

“It’s a lower risk if you keep the cruises in Australia, but the risk will never be zero,” she said. “It’s quite different from having people together in a sporting arena where you’re often outside and only with those people for a few hours.

 

“On a ship you’re going to get that repeated exposure in a closed environment.”

The problems were highlighted last week when a passenger on a “cruise to nowhere” from Singapore tested positive for COVID-19, forcing the ship, the Quantum of the Seas, to return a day early with guests confined to their cabins. It turned out to be a false alarm — the passenger later tested negative twice — but the damage to the cruise, and to the industry, was done.

 

Singapore had designed strict protocols with cruises open only to local residents, making no stops and not sailing far.  “If you’re testing a lot of people, you’re going to get false positives,” said Dr Stanaway, “but if you’re on a ship you’re going to have to react to it and spoil everyone’s cruise, being shut in their cabin.”

 

According to economic modelling commissioned by Cruise Lines International Association, NSW will lose the lion’s share of economic benefit from cruising, having received $2.9bn in direct and indirect economic output in 2019-20. Queensland earns around $832m, Victoria around $381m, followed by Western Australia with $262m. South Australia earns $122m, Tasmania $104m and the Northern Territory $84m.

 

(*) I removed the name of this group on purpose so not breach Cruise Critic guidelines.

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Meanwhile, while we wait for ocean cruising to resume ...

 

I've just booked a cruise for 21st Feb 21 and I expect to be able to go on it.

 

It's a five night Murray River cruise on the Proud Mary 😁, which should go ahead unless the state borders get closed again. Hopefully that won't happen. 🤞

 

We'll probably tour around SA before/after the cruise and may even go across to Kangaroo Island for a couple of days, then stop in Melbourne on the way home.

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2 hours ago, NSWP said:

Voyages to nowhere are designed for a particular class of person, booze cruises, not much social distancing or mask wearing would take place, drinking, dancing and god only knows what else.🤐

 

That may have been the case pre-Covid but I doubt that would happen if they ran cruises to nowhere as trial cruises now. There would be very strict rules regarding mask wearing and social distancing. Probably no dancing either, but there may be a fair bit of drinking. 😉

 

But I'd prefer to have had a vaccine before going on one.

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10 minutes ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

Meanwhile, while we wait for ocean cruising to resume ...

 

I've just booked a cruise for 21st Feb 21 and I expect to be able to go on it.

 

It's a five night Murray River cruise on the Proud Mary 😁, which should go ahead unless the state borders get closed again. Hopefully that won't happen. 🤞

 

We'll probably tour around SA before/after the cruise and may even go across to Kangaroo Island for a couple of days, then stop in Melbourne on the way home.

We've been seriously looking at Murray river cruise on either the Proud Mary or another boat to replace our 40th Wedding Anniversary Solstice cruise in Apr next year. Haven't pulled the trigger yet though. Was waiting to see how things developed with SA border.

 

Cheers,

Neil

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13 minutes ago, mr walker said:

We've been seriously looking at Murray river cruise on either the Proud Mary or another boat to replace our 40th Wedding Anniversary Solstice cruise in Apr next year. Haven't pulled the trigger yet though. Was waiting to see how things developed with SA border.

 

Cheers,

Neil

Murray river cruise   sounds very relaxing.....  haven't done a cruise on Murray, but have done houseboating a few times  just with the better half....

very relaxing..... with a odd moment of panic....lol  

( have to moor to get fuel... strong wind no where to lie up.. dropped in landing plank in the river and had to BH in control of boat........much waving of hands and in 5 minute we were tied up

 

Don

 

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42 minutes ago, mr walker said:

We've been seriously looking at Murray river cruise on either the Proud Mary or another boat to replace our 40th Wedding Anniversary Solstice cruise in Apr next year. Haven't pulled the trigger yet though. Was waiting to see how things developed with SA border.

 

Cheers,

Neil

We decided to take the risk and book it. Our regular housesitter is available then but may not be later in the year. Also it's a bit cheaper in February, probably because it will still be quite hot then. The fares jump by about 700pp in March. Fingers crossed all the borders will remain open.

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46 minutes ago, mr walker said:

We've been seriously looking at Murray river cruise on either the Proud Mary or another boat to replace our 40th Wedding Anniversary Solstice cruise in Apr next year. Haven't pulled the trigger yet though. Was waiting to see how things developed with SA border.

 

Cheers,

Neil

I can recommend the Murray Princess Mannum to Blanchtown return. Cabins are small, basic but comfortable enough. Dining was excellent.

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2 hours ago, Chiliburn said:

Well we need to get our act together.

 It’s expected we will be down 3mil Chinese tourists and Students next year.
 

We need to promote our self as a Safe destination for tourists. Both in security and health for other countries such as USA.

We are already a safe destination in terms as security,we need to show we are a virus safe destination.Health will be the next thing.
 

Get a couple of ships back and start the process.

Singapore is 6 months ahead of us.

 

 

You cant really do anything about the kids. These days kids are very selfish and they dont really care. You cant set a distance or make them follow the rules. Unfortunately, they are one of the reasons we have this unstoppable pandemic right now  

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My intellectual guess would be February. This month sounds perfect to me in terms of a season, weather and overall absence of any major holidays. Like a chill period when people can get some days off work and just go for a cruise 

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2 hours ago, Chiliburn said:

Singapore health has cleared the Royal Caribbean ships health response and said the system works!

 

Lets get some ships here and show we are a safe tourist destination.

 

https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/singapore-reports-negative-covid-tests-clearing-royal-caribbean-ship

Yep, get the ships here and get the  party started,

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On 12/14/2020 at 5:12 PM, mr walker said:

We've been seriously looking at Murray river cruise on either the Proud Mary or another boat to replace our 40th Wedding Anniversary Solstice cruise in Apr next year. Haven't pulled the trigger yet though. Was waiting to see how things developed with SA border.

 

Cheers,

Neil

Just travelled through NSW to SA from Qld with a van - currently in Vic on the Murray  in Mildura (and Vic is a total other story 🙄)
SAs QR code’s almost identical to NSW - travelled where ever we wanted with ease. No masks, tho numbers and distancing is happening. 
The Murray looks fabulous, would recommend a River Cruise right now - or soon. 
Just download the mySA app and fill out the Border Crossing form - both need to do this.

 

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Out of interest  check out the SAPOL - Cross border travel (police.sa.gov.au) site

 

now it states 

Cross border travel

A Cross Border Travel application is no longer required for domestic travellers, only overseas travellers.

 

 and the App  they talk about... if you don't have smart phone businesses keep paper forms for you

 

But as we know things are change in 24 hours...

 

Wonder if we will need passports to cross the boarders in due course....

 

Don

 

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If you pay attention to this article, They are suggesting may??
That’s if the ban is dropped in March and a couple of months to gear up the ships.
 

 Alaska has pretty well scrapped so me may see some winter cruises.

https://cruisepassenger.com.au/why-australias-new-three-month-ban-has-some-good-news-for-cruising/

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