If You Are Scared To Cruise, Don't Cruise.

[ALWAYS CRUZIN]

On 4/22/2020 at 7:09 PM, Cafedumonde said:

A lot.  The vaccine is based on last years strain and never really covers the current year.

No matter. Totals are totals and the common flu was NEVER considered ANYWHERE other than maybe the reply God bless you when you sneezed. But no matter. We all cruised anyway. 

[loman]

I will wait 2 years before I consider cruising again .  If I even cruise again , its too hot down there in the Caribbean .

as Remo said in Casino …. why take a chance . 

 

[Paulette3028]

On 4/21/2020 at 9:56 AM, teacherman said:

You can't cruise.  There are no cruises.  By the time cruises resume, there will be many changes from what we knew cruises to be.  If my state "opens up", it will not be like it was.  Everything will change, and we won't know what we are willing to do until we see what it is.

Right now you are correct there are no cruises to take.  As you say "we won't know what we are willing to do until we see what it is." and you are quite right.  But one thing I believe I can say for my DH and me, is that we do WANT TO CRUISE again.  There are many people who from what I have read, have no plan to cruise again.....and for me to react like that out of 'abstract fear', I can't do.  I want to cruise again, and when they tell me what to expect, I hope to still enjoy the experience.  

[mek]

3 hours ago, Paulette3028 said:

Right now you are correct there are no cruises to take.  As you say "we won't know what we are willing to do until we see what it is." and you are quite right.  But one thing I believe I can say for my DH and me, is that we do WANT TO CRUISE again.  There are many people who from what I have read, have no plan to cruise again.....and for me to react like that out of 'abstract fear', I can't do.  I want to cruise again, and when they tell me what to expect, I hope to still enjoy the experience.  

No "abstract fear" here.  I would love to be on a ship again, but I am not willing to cruise with a mask,  practice social distancing, have to figure out how to use the elevator, etc.  As long as these protocols are in place, it means there is some risk involved and the virus is not under control.  Cruising is supposed to be relaxing and fun and  I'm not willing to compromise. 

Only time will tell when cruising starts back up again and what measures will be in place. 

[Jimbo]

4 hours ago, Paulette3028 said:

Right now you are correct there are no cruises to take.  As you say "we won't know what we are willing to do until we see what it is." and you are quite right.  But one thing I believe I can say for my DH and me, is that we do WANT TO CRUISE again.  There are many people who from what I have read, have no plan to cruise again.....and for me to react like that out of 'abstract fear', I can't do.  I want to cruise again, and when they tell me what to expect, I hope to still enjoy the experience.  

Everyone on here wants  to cruise again, but right now it's just not worth the risk,,,,,,Just sit  it out for 12- 18 months until they get everything under control again and it will be fine.

Edited May 8, 2020 by Jimbo

[jerseyjjs]

On 4/21/2020 at 1:59 PM, Yorkvillain said:

 

I’m allergic to pine nuts. Should I eat them?

 

 

Well that ain't fair.  I love pesto sauce.

[Cruise a holic]

11 hours ago, Jimbo said:

Everyone on here wants  to cruise again, but right now it's just not worth the risk,,,,,,Just sit  it out for 12- 18 months until they get everything under control again and it will be fine.

 

11 hours ago, Jimbo said:

Everyone on here wants  to cruise again, but right now it's just not worth the risk,,,,,,Just sit  it out for 12- 18 months until they get everything under control again and it will be fine.

We cannot wait to cruise again also, but of course not worth the risk to my DH and I.  Also, if we get sick or become carriers, do not want to put our friends and family at risk.  

 

We love cruising- but first and foremost want to cruise with a clear head!

[Georgia_Peaches]

"If you don't want to cruise, don't cruise."  This thread started on April 20th.  Since then, many states have begun the phase in process of opening of their economies.  Georgia being among the first to open salons, gyms, and movie theaters.  As more and more states do the same, this thread title expands to just about everything.  "If you don't want to _____, don't _______."  As we learn more and more about the virus, I don't think many people expect COVID-19 to be gone before cruising resumes.  But now we know so much more about how to protect ourselves than we did just a few months ago.   Nobody is being forced to do anything.  But it gives the rest of us options.  I have no intention of putting myself or others at risk, nor will I cruise under restrictive conditions.  But life (and cruising) will go on.  I agree with the OP, if you're not ready, you are welcome to stay home.

[Paulette3028]

12 hours ago, mek said:

No "abstract fear" here.  I would love to be on a ship again, but I am not willing to cruise with a mask,  practice social distancing, have to figure out how to use the elevator, etc.  As long as these protocols are in place, it means there is some risk involved and the virus is not under control.  Cruising is supposed to be relaxing and fun and  I'm not willing to compromise. 

Only time will tell when cruising starts back up again and what measures will be in place. 

You are correct in saying "only time will tell.....what measures will be in place".    You have already listed some things that will make you unwilling to cruise.   I can't say what mine are....and as I said I don't know live in abstract fear.  I am taking simple actions but trying hard not to be overly consumed by fear so as to fracture me.  

 

DH and I want to cruise again, and when it reopens and we learn what the cruise line itself has done and what will be expected of us as cruisers, we will then make a decision on when to cruise again.  We still have several booked....the future will unfold.

[rtazz17]

30 minutes ago, Georgia_Peaches said:

"If you don't want to cruise, don't cruise."  This thread started on April 20th.  Since then, many states have begun the phase in process of opening of their economies.  Georgia being among the first to open salons, gyms, and movie theaters.  As more and more states do the same, this thread title expands to just about everything.  "If you don't want to _____, don't _______."  As we learn more and more about the virus, I don't think many people expect COVID-19 to be gone before cruising resumes.  But now we know so much more about how to protect ourselves than we did just a few months ago.   Nobody is being forced to do anything.  But it gives the rest of us options.  I have no intention of putting myself or others at risk, nor will I cruise under restrictive conditions.  But life (and cruising) will go on.  I agree with the OP, if you're not ready, you are welcome to stay home.

Right but cruise industry wont open until public is ready. Doesnt matter if we can mitigate it... media has scared the crap out of the country. People are scared of their shadows now. If there was a vaccine right now the cruise industry would still have problems enticing enough people to cruise. Just because people on cruise critic want to cruise this is the minority. 1st time cruisers will not go on a cruise now. Anytime I mention cruising to friends they say “ fu&% that!”... Cruising will be the last vacation on most peoples minds for a long time. Industry was hurt badly through no fault of their own as many other people have been.

[hazence]

As much as we all would like to get back to cruising and vacation travel, first each of us has to decide...for ourselves how much of our everyday lives we are even ready to resume when they let us.

[alfaeric]

On 4/22/2020 at 1:38 PM, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:

Try. Doctors note, temperature checks before boarding, as for washing your hands and using sanitizers. That should be something no one should have to tell you to do. Sanitizing instead of just cleaning all the railings, your bathrooms etc. remember more people die from the common flu than this virus so far this year. A lot more.

Stats as of April 6, 2020 USA

39-55 million came down with the flu

Only 170 million got the vaccine or about half of the US population.

400,000 Hospitalized

63,000 Deaths

162 were children.

So knowing this. How many taking a Cruise before this virus were concerned about catching the deadly flu. I bet a real small percentage. We always wipe down anything we will touch every day in our cabin with a disinfectant towelette.

Before eating and after we have always washed our hands, that we learned when we were children.

When we walk around the ship we always use the hand sanitizers. No one needs to tell us to do so.

So taking a cruise right now we have have no qualms at all about doing so.

It's been less than a month since this post, and we've crushed the normal death rate of one entire year of influenza in less than 3 months of COVID19.  So death rates per year are currently 4x influenza.  With far fewer people coming down with it and a LOT of effort that we don't do for Influenza.

 

Not only that, pneumonia is about 3-4x normal rate, so for places that are not reporting COVID19 deaths, it's hard to hide pneumonia deaths.

 

Keep downplaying it.  There's no harm in it.

[Charles4515]

"If you don't want to cruise, don't cruise."  This thread started on April 20th.  Since then, many states have begun the phase in process of opening of their economies. 

But life (and cruising) will go on.  I agree with the OP, if you're not ready, you are welcome to stay home.

It is not as simple as that. The states opening up does not necessarily mean US cruise ports will open. Then consider the destinations. Will they open up? In Europe they believe the US is a mess. Many don’t want US visitors. TV news footage of armed demonstrators at state capital buildings does not make for good publicity either. That feeling will subside over the long term but we should expect foreign travel when it opens might be limited to business travelers for a while. The Caribbean the cruise lines may be able to throw some money at some islands to get them to open up. Time will tell.


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[ALWAYS CRUZIN]

38 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

 

It is not as simple as that. The states opening up does not necessarily mean US cruise ports will open. Then consider the destinations. Will they open up? In Europe they believe the US is a mess. Many don’t want US visitors. TV news footage of armed demonstrators at state capital buildings does not make for good publicity either. That feeling will subside over the long term but we should expect foreign travel when it opens might be limited to business travelers for a while. The Caribbean the cruise lines may be able to throw some money at some islands to get them to open up. Time will tell.


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Throw money so they open up? Where do you think they get most of ther gross domestic product from? The cruise industry. They want the ships back as soon as possible. Will US ports open. Only when it is safe for the passengers and the locals. No sooner. Overseas, Canada, Alaska. When they want to. Only time will tell.

 

[PhotoJim]

Canadian ports will reopen when cruise lines demonstrate a plan to contain the exposure, involving adequate social distancing and personal protective equipment.  Whether that is practical before wide-scale vaccination has occurred or the virus has run its course through society remains an open question.

[Charles4515]

Throw money so they open up? Where do you think they get most of ther gross domestic product from? The cruise industry. They want the ships back as soon as possible. Will US ports open. Only when it is safe for the passengers and the locals. No sooner. Overseas, Canada, Alaska. When they want to. Only time will tell.
 

I think you overstate the impact of the cruise industry on many of those islands. Also some interests on those islands may benefit more than others, the general population not so much. So they may be able to pay off some politicians. But there may be resistance. We saw how quickly islands refused allowing cruise ships to dock.


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[ECCruise]

14 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

 

I think you overstate the impact of the cruise industry on many of those islands. Also some interests on those islands may benefit more than others, the general population not so much. So they may be able to pay off some politicians. But there may be resistance. We saw how quickly islands refused allowing cruise ships to dock.


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Agree.  We live in a town overrun with tourists, and find the vast majority of the benefits of tourism go to a handful of people.  Yes, there are thousands of service oriented jobs, virtually every one is low paying with limited or no benefits.

The same goes for most cruise ports overrun with tourists.  The average resident sees very little advantage from the influx.  And yes, there can be resistance from the locals.  We encountered mobs attempting to prohibit us entering Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean in March.  The next day the Sun Princess met violent mobs that had to be controlled by riot police.

[soloadventurer]

On 4/21/2020 at 1:01 AM, ToroAzul said:

There are no guarantees in life. 

 

 

 

 

 

Just go enjoy yourself and stuff your face in the buffet

[Georgia_Peaches]

3 hours ago, Charles4515 said:

It is not as simple as that. The states opening up does not necessarily mean US cruise ports will open.

Absolutely!  I didn't mean to imply that states opening meant cruising will start.  My point was about life in general as we get back to living it...If you don't want to ____, then don't _____.

[Paulette3028]

On 5/8/2020 at 9:04 AM, rtazz17 said:

Right but cruise industry wont open until public is ready. Doesnt matter if we can mitigate it... media has scared the crap out of the country. People are scared of their shadows now. If there was a vaccine right now the cruise industry would still have problems enticing enough people to cruise. Just because people on cruise critic want to cruise this is the minority. 1st time cruisers will not go on a cruise now. Anytime I mention cruising to friends they say “ fu&% that!”... Cruising will be the last vacation on most peoples minds for a long time. Industry was hurt badly through no fault of their own as many other people have been.

What really is a cruise ship?  It is a huge hotel, a street of restaurants, and an amusement park (more extensive on some ships than others.    When you say the " cruise industry wont open until public is ready" people will be getting accustomed to restaurants again at some point, as well as going to hotels and even Disney has talked about opening soon.    When you say "Anytime I mention cruising to friends they say “ fu&% that!”... Cruising will be the last vacation on most peoples minds"  I disagree, there will be people who will go when they can do it.  There will always be customers, always.   Port cities right here in the US are losing money each and every week the cruise industry is shut down.  For those areas, it isn't as if 'opening up their county will be of much help'.  The hotels that aren't booking rooms for the night or two before departure and restaurants are losing diners, don't get much help from 'locals'. It all has a ripple effect and the sooner those ports can open the sooner those businesses can even get the own revenue stream moving along.    

[OnTheJourney]

On 4/20/2020 at 8:25 PM, swooldri said:

Yah  there are death and taxes........

 

lol...

[OnTheJourney]

On 4/21/2020 at 12:26 PM, CruisingAlong4Now said:

and art auctions

...as in the champagne kind onboard ships???  😁

[OnTheJourney]

On 5/8/2020 at 1:34 PM, soloadventurer said:

 

Just go enjoy yourself and stuff your face in the buffet

 

Ahh...but will there still BE a buffet?  Might turn into they serve you - not self-serve. I've seen that happen even during a noro outbreak. 

[JT1962]

 
Ahh...but will there still BE a buffet?  Might turn into they serve you - not self-serve. I've seen that happen even during a noro outbreak. 

I think the self-serve buffet is gone for a while from everywhere, not just cruise ships. One major buffet style restaurant has already announced it will close permanently and others will have to change or follow in their footsteps. Cruise ship buffets as we have known them may be gone forever regardless of how long Covid-19 is an issue.

[ToroAzul]

On 5/8/2020 at 9:33 AM, alfaeric said:

It's been less than a month since this post, and we've crushed the normal death rate of one entire year of influenza in less than 3 months of COVID19.  So death rates per year are currently 4x influenza.  With far fewer people coming down with it and a LOT of effort that we don't do for Influenza.

 

Not only that, pneumonia is about 3-4x normal rate, so for places that are not reporting COVID19 deaths, it's hard to hide pneumonia deaths.

 

Keep downplaying it.  There's no harm in it.

Statistics don't lie but liars use statistics.