SilkySal Posted April 21, 2020 #26 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Biker19 said: @Clarea stopped posting since late Jan and has moved on and enjoying life without posting here. Awe, I miss Bob's wisdom and expertise! Enjoy retirement Clarea!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted April 21, 2020 #27 Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, johnjen said: It's an enthusiastic piece written at a time of great doubt and the odds being against it considering the EU's mindset of just halting all travel from outsiders into the EU and posts like this:https://www.ptamsterdam.com/cruises-cancelled-departing-from-amsterdam/ The port authorities have a larger say so than the cruise industry itself. Based on the dates, I'd say that list corresponds to what the cruise lines have published so far. Doesn't show past early June. I'd be more impressed if they showed it going out further. Edited April 21, 2020 by John&LaLa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph2017China Posted April 21, 2020 #28 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 hours ago, not-enough-cruising said: Where did you get that idea? The CDC no sail order, as it is currently constructed runs through July 24 The count begins in March. 100 days put you in June. All the cruise lines have tentative start dates in June. They work with the CDC and they have actual knowledge, and not speculation found on these boards. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted April 21, 2020 #29 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, Joseph2017China said: The count begins in March. Pretty sure that was reset to 4/15. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted April 21, 2020 #30 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Biker19 said: Pretty sure that was reset to 4/15. Takes a while for info to get to China😉 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonacruiser25 Posted April 21, 2020 #31 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Med may not be looking good https://www.forbes.com/sites/guymartin/2020/04/20/post-pandemic-travel-spain-the-second-most-visited-country-on-earth-weighs-a-fraught-revival-of-its-200-billion-tourism-sector-by-the-end-of-2020/?fbclid=IwAR0UMpf48QQ_01fv4k42sYqZZch-ITObuwclhl5ZTz1AmlSXQA24PavpenA#7aef722a3a41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipmaster Posted April 21, 2020 #32 Share Posted April 21, 2020 15 hours ago, datolim said: Can anybody make some sense from this. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/22809-when-royal-caribbean-ships-may-start-sailing-again.html Pipe dream, tell me which country will allow gathering of a few thousand people who fly from many different places then eat, party, etc. in close proximity sharing elevators, handrails, theater, dining with NO social distancing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not-enough-cruising Posted April 21, 2020 #33 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Joseph2017China said: The count begins in March. 100 days put you in June. All the cruise lines have tentative start dates in June. They work with the CDC and they have actual knowledge, and not speculation found on these boards. No sir, the 100 day order starts count upon publishing of the order in the federal register. Federal register has recorded the order as published April 15. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph2017China Posted April 21, 2020 #34 Share Posted April 21, 2020 55 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said: No sir, the 100 day order starts count upon publishing of the order in the federal register. Federal register has recorded the order as published April 15. Well, no use arguing with you since you seem to know more than all the cruise lines executives and legal teams, and the published reports that the start date is March 14, 2020 and the amendment in April was to extend it for 100 days (from the start date). Since the billion dollar industry does not have a clue, hopefully you can get on their boards and explain it to them. In the mean time, I think I'm going with the groups that need to know this info, like the billion dollar industry. All this is doing is random speculation, and much false info and than throw in some conspiracy theory to top it off. At this time, no one knows if the 100 days (in June) will stick, but if it does, the cruise lines will have a full ship ready to go. If the CDC extends it again (extension from March 14), than they will issue refunds. But until than, like any business, they are anticipating making money in June. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franncos Posted April 21, 2020 #35 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Wake up to reality. 0 chance of cruising in June. Wait until all the new restriction will be in place. Do you actually think RCCL is going to have 4000 passengers on a ship. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not-enough-cruising Posted April 21, 2020 #36 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Joseph2017China said: Well, no use arguing with you since you seem to know more than all the cruise lines executives and legal teams, and the published reports that the start date is March 14, 2020 and the amendment in April was to extend it for 100 days (from the start date). Since the billion dollar industry does not have a clue, hopefully you can get on their boards and explain it to them. In the mean time, I think I'm going with the groups that need to know this info, like the billion dollar industry. All this is doing is random speculation, and much false info and than throw in some conspiracy theory to top it off. At this time, no one knows if the 100 days (in June) will stick, but if it does, the cruise lines will have a full ship ready to go. If the CDC extends it again (extension from March 14), than they will issue refunds. But until than, like any business, they are anticipating making money in June. Whatever dude, read the order-it is VERY black and white; the March 14 order was rescinded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouhunter Posted April 21, 2020 #37 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Joseph2017China said: At this time, no one knows if the 100 days (in June) will stick, but if it does, the cruise lines will have a full ship ready to go. "Full Ship" is questionable at best. Of course irrelevant since they won't be sailing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPP777 Posted April 21, 2020 #38 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Sailing in Oct. Just bought the drink package after it dropped 16 dollars a day. Followed up with another 500 towards the remaining balance. Either we go, or we don’t. Don’t care to get wrapped around the axel worrying about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted April 22, 2020 #39 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Don't get hung up on the 100 days. It's an arbitrary deadline for the CDC to extend or drop the order. There are many other conditions that must be met. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdthird Posted April 22, 2020 #40 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I have yet to see any talk of the logistics of getting the ships ready to restart cruising. Imagine the logistics of starting up an entire cruise line??? I doubt very much if they'd be able to staff the entire fleet at a moments notice. Travel for thousands of ship's crew, hotel staff, bar and restaurant staff, rehearsals for entertainers...the thought is mind boggling! If and when cruising starts again, I'd expect to see it start with a few ships, with limited options on the ships and perhaps reduced staff. No doubt in my mind that it's going to be very different, whenever it starts! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datolim Posted April 22, 2020 Author #41 Share Posted April 22, 2020 33 minutes ago, fdthird said: I have yet to see any talk of the logistics of getting the ships ready to restart cruising. Imagine the logistics of starting up an entire cruise line??? I doubt very much if they'd be able to staff the entire fleet at a moments notice. Travel for thousands of ship's crew, hotel staff, bar and restaurant staff, rehearsals for entertainers...the thought is mind boggling! If and when cruising starts again, I'd expect to see it start with a few ships, with limited options on the ships and perhaps reduced staff. No doubt in my mind that it's going to be very different, whenever it starts! Not to mention renovating the ship clinic to a mini hospital. Setting up the hospital ship and residence ship for quarantine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatour Posted April 22, 2020 #42 Share Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 11:51 PM, Ourusualbeach said: I cannot imagine that the few people that are naive enough to think that the cruise lines are going to be sailing the end of June beginning of July are contributing a significant amount of money to Royal’s bank account. It is about trying to deal with the issuing of refunds and FCC’s in a controlled manner and not overwhelming their call centre. I agree with it having to do with issuing refunds etc. However the CDC can lift the no-sail rule at anytime before expiration or as expiration approaches, they can extend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datolim Posted April 22, 2020 Author #43 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, gatour said: I agree with it having to do with issuing refunds etc. However the CDC can lift the no-sail rule at anytime before expiration or as expiration approaches, they can extend it. Read your statement as, whenever the cruise lines have complied with the CDC order. Edited April 22, 2020 by datolim Xxxxxxxxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snit13 Posted April 22, 2020 #44 Share Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/21/2020 at 11:59 AM, johnjen said: It's an enthusiastic piece written at a time of great doubt and the odds being against it considering the EU's mindset of just halting all travel from outsiders into the EU and posts like this:https://www.ptamsterdam.com/cruises-cancelled-departing-from-amsterdam/ The port authorities have a larger say so than the cruise industry itself. Why is my JUNE 12 BRILLIANCE from Amsterdam not on this list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted April 22, 2020 #45 Share Posted April 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Snit13 said: Why is my JUNE 12 BRILLIANCE from Amsterdam not on this list? Because RCI hasn't canceled it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snit13 Posted April 22, 2020 #46 Share Posted April 22, 2020 23 hours ago, John&LaLa said: Based on the dates, I'd say that list corresponds to what the cruise lines have published so far. Doesn't show past early June. I'd be more impressed if they showed it going out further. US State Dept. site says if you fly into Amsterdam you are NOT allowed to leave the airport. How can you cruise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snit13 Posted April 22, 2020 #47 Share Posted April 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, Biker19 said: Because RCI hasn't canceled it? I am well aware of that. I just don't understand why they have not cancelled....I know, a game they are playing with us and our $$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted April 22, 2020 #48 Share Posted April 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Snit13 said: I just don't understand why they have not cancelled. Because like all the other lines, they are cancelling about 4 weeks' sailings at a time. Very few cruise lines have anything cancelled past the end of June. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted April 22, 2020 #49 Share Posted April 22, 2020 26 minutes ago, Snit13 said: US State Dept. site says if you fly into Amsterdam you are NOT allowed to leave the airport. How can you cruise? Had not seen that, what was the context of that order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snit13 Posted April 22, 2020 #50 Share Posted April 22, 2020 4 hours ago, John&LaLa said: Had not seen that, what was the context of that order? I signed on to State Department site and it had information for all or most European countries under their covid 19 posting. I heard about it a few days ago but just checked it out this am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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