Would you wear a mask every time you were outside your cabin?

[clo]

5 minutes ago, chipmaster said:

 

Here somehow being considerate, making a sacrifice to prevent you spreading by wearing a mask is positioned as being weak, and not supporting freedom, need I say more 😞

Thank you SO much.

[pris993]

I will wait to cruise til mask not required.  Wearing a mask is not a vacation in my book.  

[clo]

9 minutes ago, pris993 said:

I will wait to cruise til mask not required.  Wearing a mask is not a vacation in my book.  

Good for you. But I'd like to ask. What if it's not required but recommended? I got into someone about this. I never considered that someone wouldn't where a mask unless it's "required."

[chipmaster]

Why the US leads in deaths and likely will struggle to get this thing in control

 

"he refused to comply with"

 

"Straka said he wore a mask the company provided but took it off once he was on board the plane and no one complained."

 

"Straka said he is anti-mask for himself, but he sees it as a personal decision."

 

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/passenger-removed-flight-for-refusing-to-wear-mask-trnd/

 

Hmm, how about personal empathy, care and consideration for others Straka?

[clo]

7 minutes ago, chipmaster said:

Hmm, how about personal empathy, care and consideration for others Straka?

If someone tells who they are, believe them.

[pris993]

1 hour ago, clo said:

Good for you. But I'd like to ask. What if it's not required but recommended? I got into someone about this. I never considered that someone wouldn't where a mask unless it's "required."

I am already thinking I  will not cruise til 2022... let the dust settle, let the cruise lines figure this out - by then I would be in a better place to decide whether a cruise vacation is what I want to do.  Mind you I have over 60 + cruises, so we have been doing this for a long time.  We spend more time in our cabin (mini suite) then in social venues any way.  If a mask was not required I would not wear one.    When I go out for a walk today, I don't have to wear a mask and don't... do try to do social distancing as much as possible.    

 

I am hoping to fly from San Francisco to Tel Aviv within in next year... non stop flight 15 ours on United... United requiring masks  accept when eating or drinking.    Will wear mask as required.  I have $3000 tied up in a cancelled flight, so trying not to lose the money no refundable, otherwise night not go at all.   I waiting for international travel to open up,  right now foreigners are required to quarantine 14 days,  will not go til that is dropped.  

 

I think we are all trying to deal with what is required and optional in a reasonable way.   Even though I am 73 and my dh is 88, we are in good health so am not overly concerned about the risk of the virus personally.    The word we get from CDC at times is inconsistent, I worked for the govt for 30 years, plus 20 years in a medical office... so I kind of read between the lines.  Initially CDC told Americans not to wear masks because they were concerned medical professionals would not be able to get masks, I understood that right away (political) --- did not want to alarm Americans.    Once they were confident masks were available then recommended them.    If one is around healthy people, those not coughing or sneezing... would guess the need for a mask is less important.   If folks had their temperatures checked when boarding a ship, I would be comfortable not wearing a mask but I would try to do as much social distancing as possible, much like I do shopping today.  

[ilikeanswers]

1 hour ago, chipmaster said:

Why the US leads in deaths and likely will struggle to get this thing in control

 

"he refused to comply with"

 

"Straka said he wore a mask the company provided but took it off once he was on board the plane and no one complained."

 

"Straka said he is anti-mask for himself, but he sees it as a personal decision."

 

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/passenger-removed-flight-for-refusing-to-wear-mask-trnd/

 

Hmm, how about personal empathy, care and consideration for others Straka?

 

And just a few posts ago I was saying a new breed of ugly tourist will crop up😆

 

"Straka sells masks on his website".

Not exactly a good promotion of his mechandise 😜.

Edited June 18, 2020 by ilikeanswers

[RonOhio]

2 hours ago, chipmaster said:

Why the US leads in deaths and likely will struggle to get this thing in control

 

"he refused to comply with"

 

"Straka said he wore a mask the company provided but took it off once he was on board the plane and no one complained."

 

"Straka said he is anti-mask for himself, but he sees it as a personal decision."

 

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/passenger-removed-flight-for-refusing-to-wear-mask-trnd/

 

Hmm, how about personal empathy, care and consideration for others Straka?

The US “leads” in deaths because US governmental statistics are reasonably accurate while those of many other large countries are pure propaganda. 

[nosapphire]

11 hours ago, navybankerteacher said:

Sadly, there is a third category: those who will book the cruise and will not wear the mask.   There are a lot of posters on these threads who make it clear that they do not like wearing masks, and we have all seen many people on cruise ships who disregard rules — such as no saving loungers or seats in the theatre, not  leaving balcony doors open, not handling food and putting it back, washing hands after using a rest room, etc., etc.

 

You're right.

I must have airbrushed the memory of these type of passengers from my mind - especially the ones who like to reserve both a sun lounger and a couch in the library all day, so that they have a choice of where to sit for 20 minutes after lunch. Which they took up in the self-service buffet as it is a nicer view than the waiter-served restaurant, but as they like to be waiter-served they sit down in the self-service area and tell the nearest member of staff to go and get their food for them.

 

 

[nosapphire]

6 hours ago, ilikeanswers said:

 

So many people are posting because they believe the pandemic is not a serious threat they are somehow exempt from the rules. While it might be fine in your home country you have to wonder how they will behave as tourists if they visit a country that does take the threat seriously and expects them to follow certain protocols. Are we going to see a new breed of ugly tourists that stomp around saying "Screw your social distance, masks, one way walk paths, I don't believe in the threat or the rules, I am doing whatever I want"🤦‍♀️

Won't be a new breed, they've been around forever. How many times have you been to a historical site, a nature trail etc, and seen people ignoring all and any of the "please do not walk here" signs and trampling all over the delicate ground, how often in museums and galleries are the "do not touch" signs ignored? 

If they behave like it at home, they will continue to behave like it abroad.

I think that cruise ships (as posted here by several others) are going to have to start toughening up their stance towards passengers who ignore all requests/recommendations/instructions, the customer is NOT always right.

 

 

 

 

[ontheweb]

13 hours ago, clo said:

I'm honestly shocked at this comment. Not just because it's the RIGHT thing to do. Wow.

Hopefully, it will not be mandatory when the pandemic is over whether by a vaccine, a method of treatment, or the virus dying out.

[navybankerteacher]

9 hours ago, chipmaster said:

Why the US leads in deaths and likely will struggle to get this thing in control

 

"he refused to comply with"

 

"Straka said he wore a mask the company provided but took it off once he was on board the plane and no one complained."

 

"Straka said he is anti-mask for himself, but he sees it as a personal decision."

 

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/passenger-removed-flight-for-refusing-to-wear-mask-trnd/

 

Hmm, how about personal empathy, care and consideration for others Straka?

There may be some repercussions for “personal decisions”.   United Airlines, for example, has announced that, while they cannot force passengers to wear masks on planes, they can AND WILL PLACE THEM ON FUTURE NO FLY LISTS.

 

The anti-social oiks who place their own comfort over everyone else’s safety will have to decide.   Hopefully, the airlines will from now on refuse to sell any seats to people who will not commit to wearing masks as a condition of boarding - or remaining on board- with no fare refund for failure to comply.

 

When we consider what is happening right now in Texas, Florida, North Carolina and at least a dozen other states we should start to realize how irresponsible people can be when permitted to put their own preference above other people’s safety - and even lives.

 

”Personal decisions” can also be made by airline managers who do not want to have to deal with the dangerously self-absorbed

Edited June 18, 2020 by navybankerteacher

[Arzeena]

10 hours ago, clo said:

 But I'd like to ask. What if it's not required but recommended? I got into someone about this. I never considered that someone wouldn't where a mask unless it's "required."

I am OK with that too.

In the "recommended not required" case, I would guage the circumstance and wear accordingly.

Edited June 18, 2020 by Arzeena

[Arzeena]

16 hours ago, lenquixote66 said:

Agree but I believe that cruising the way it was in 2019 will never return.

That was not even in context in the post.

Edited June 18, 2020 by Arzeena

[Cee_Jay]

I cancalled a "Coast to Coat" through the panama canal before cruising was stopped. My choice to lose my deposit rather than risk the virus. It was a cruise I REALLY wanted to do, a once in a lifetime one (have done various others) Now to the point:- I will not be cruising if I have to wear a mask....anywhere. I will not be cruising if there is social distancing, and a personal one I will not be cruising if there is not a buffet.

SO, I accept I will NOT be cruising anymore for a few years at least. 

[clo]

1 hour ago, navybankerteacher said:

United Airlines, for example, has announced that, while they cannot force passengers to wear masks on planes, they can AND WILL PLACE THEM ON FUTURE NO FLY LISTS.

I think that's a super idea. When there are no consequences, it's infuriating that some adults simply won't do the right thing.

[pris993]

38 minutes ago, Cee_Jay said:

I cancalled a "Coast to Coat" through the panama canal before cruising was stopped. My choice to lose my deposit rather than risk the virus. It was a cruise I REALLY wanted to do, a once in a lifetime one (have done various others) Now to the point:- I will not be cruising if I have to wear a mask....anywhere. I will not be cruising if there is social distancing, and a personal one I will not be cruising if there is not a buffet.

SO, I accept I will NOT be cruising anymore for a few years at least. 

I seeing dealing with this virus as a moving target.  As things change we can individually decide whether to cruise or not depending on what is happening.  I am with you, I would prefer not to cruise if I have to wear a mask and their are no buffets.  I have been doing my own form of social distancing for some years on ships already... would continue to do so no matter what happens to the virus.  We book a mini suite, do breakfast in our cabin, go to the Crown Grill or buffet for dinner.   When we go to the buffet we go early, stake out a table for 2 and wait for the buffet to open.   The only time we really get into crowds is  the life boat drill and if we decide to go to the theatre.  We enjoy spending a lot of time on our balcony that is why we book the mini.  Love being on the water, that is why we cruise.  Time will tell how this goes.   After 60+ cruises, I have lost count... I don't have to cruise if it is not the experience I want.

[clo]

46 minutes ago, Cee_Jay said:

I will not be cruising if I have to wear a mask....anywhere. I will not be cruising if there is social distancing, and a personal one I will not be cruising if there is not a buffet.

Why, why and why? We're already doing the first two and the casinos around here have already shut down their 'buffets.' No biggie.

[pris993]

1 minute ago, clo said:

Why, why and why? We're already doing the first two and the casinos around here have already shut down their 'buffets.' No biggie.

We enjoy buffet.  Lots of choices that we like, do not care to go to the MDR any more.  I would be also okay with using Room Service if ship expanded menu options.  We usually do Crown Grill 1/2 time, and buffet 1/2 time.    If they do not open buffet we could do Room Service and Crown Grill if we decided to cruise.   I have not used the MDR for past 10 years.   My dh likes fish more than anything, when we go to the buffet they often have fish prepared a couple of ways he can pick from.   When we go to the Crown Grill he orders the sea bass, he does not eat shell fish.   When they do fish and chips lunch we get and have it taken back to our cabin... we only eat two meals a day.  Do not like the crowds at the fish and chip lunch either.  As I say we have doing social distancing for some time.   Am not concerned about the buffet.  Heard on the news today, the likely chance of getting the virus from touching some this very unlikely... spreading is more often do to particles in the air.  If this is true, news keeps changing -- would think buffets would not be a real problem.   So I hope buffets come back for folks like us who like them.  We treat the buffet like a super market... we pick and choose what we like.    Time will tell.   Would guess casinos will bring back buffets eventually too, easy way of feeding lots of people. 

[clo]

2 hours ago, pris993 said:

We enjoy buffet.  Lots of choices that we like, do not care to go to the MDR any more.  

Again, let's make a distinction. A "cafeteria" equivalent that gave you probably all the choice of a "buffet" the difference being staff serves your plate with what and how much you want and then hands it to you.

[lenquixote66]

4 hours ago, Arzeena said:

That was not even in context in the post.

Arzeena I do not understand your point of reference .My point was that on the cruises that you and I have been on in the past few years there was never a directive to wear a mask because there has never been a pandemic before in our lifetime.

While you and R have no problem with wearing a mask ,we do and as long as things are as they are we will not be cruising . 

[clo]

I just have to share this 🙂

 

"If you hate wearing a mask, you're really not going to like a ventilator."

- source unknown.

[RocketMan275]

16 minutes ago, clo said:

I just have to share this 🙂

 

"If you hate wearing a mask, you're really not going to like a ventilator."

- source unknown.

I thought the idea behind wearing a mask was to protect others.  So how is not wearing a mask linked to being on a ventilator?

[chipmaster]

11 hours ago, RonOhio said:

The US “leads” in deaths because US governmental statistics are reasonably accurate while those of many other large countries are pure propaganda. 

 

You can go google excessive deaths, and get a better picture, but normalized for population given US richness our performance has been dreadful, land of the free should be replaced with land of the stupid.

[chipmaster]

1 minute ago, RocketMan275 said:

I thought the idea behind wearing a mask was to protect others.  So how is not wearing a mask linked to being on a ventilator?

 

I wear a N95 ( with valve ) so it is to protect me, lot of stupid and inconsiderate people as we can just look around and see.  

 

So yup I wear it to lower my probability how ever small to not end up on a ventilator.

 

When you have a society that buys in to a little self sacrifice it is true I wear a mask to protect you from being on the ventilator.