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15 hours ago, drib said:
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15 hours ago, drib said:
  • Number of Cruise Critic members who are annoyed because I didn't denote sarcasm by using an emoji.
 

1.  (not because you did not use an emoji, I am annoyed to find out that you meant this to be sarcastic. I was already starting to count my winnings. ) ☹️

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drib, is this only for Regent ships or is it permitted to give answers other than Regent ships?  In regards to your question, 

  • First ship to declare itself a sovereign nation and allow its passengers to compete in the Olympics. (Summer or Winter)?

I have to answer "The World" as, given today's world, I'm presuming it already considers itself a "sovereign nation" and those passengers, staff and crew who stay onboard could compete in both the Summer and Winter Olympics.

 

 

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Regarding the original posting and the future of luxury cruising, I'm in the "wait and see" camp.  I continue to follow all of the cruise boards of lines that we are considering sailing, the responses that have taken place since COVID-19 has become an issue (and, for some before it became an issue for the line), and will make decisions based on how the lines are responding to this current, unforeseen, circumstance(s).

 

Although I know some posters would prefer only current cruisers post on this board, I (we) have now reached a point in our lives where a World Cruise was in our plans for the future.  Regent was/is one of the lines that I (we) have considered.  Our future travel, much as is true for the cruise lines, is up in the air.  I will continue to follow our preferred lines to see how all of this plays out.  I'm sure that other are in the same boat (pun intended).

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Speaking only for myself, I do not prefer that only current cruisers post on this board.  However, in terms of what Regent can or will do in the future in terms of distancing, etc., it helps to have a response from current cruisers as there have been so many changes with the Regent ships in the last three or so years (complete remodel of La Veranda on Mariner and Voyager for instance).  When someone that has not sailed on Regent before, when they let us know, I am happy to take extra time to explain, from my standpoint, the layout of the ships, the sanitization procedures, etc.  Some new cruisers (or those that have not sailed in a while) may be interested (or not) to know that the public restroom doors on Splendor and Explorer do not require you to touch them ..... simply way your hand in front of the sensor and viola - it opens!

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As experienced Regent cruisers, I love to answer questions and share our knowledge with new cruisers, offering factual information, and some opinions. 
My objection is to certain new posters, who have never been on a Regent ship, who continually express gloom and doom opinions regarding the ships and potential bankruptcy. And, they are not asking questions, rather offering their depressing opinions. 

Most of us who have sailed on Regent, are not stupid and understand the financial problems and safety changes that may be necessary in the future. 
But, we look on the bright side and would rather play games debating when the first scheduled sailing will occur.
When there is important information that is offered to us, we are appreciative that our fellow cruisers have posted it.  
So, all those of you who are new to Regent, keep the questions coming.

sheila

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If someone wishes to post on this board and has never cruised on Regent, that is a good thing unless they start saying negative things about food, service, and things we only know about because we’ve been there. As to stock ownership, I understand Picardad has 100 shares of stock in NCLH, Regent’s parent company. We have 100 shares or more in many companies, and I assure all that this level of ownership does not allow the owner  to influence corporate policy to any degree. Nor is it sufficient ownership to influence the stockholder’s opinions. 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Dolebludger said:

We have 100 shares or more in many companies, and I assure all that this level of ownership does not allow the owner  to influence corporate policy to any degree. Nor is it sufficient ownership to influence the stockholder’s opinions. 

 

...but getting $100. OBC because of it is nice.

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59 minutes ago, Bellaggio Cruisers said:

As experienced Regent cruisers, I love to answer questions and share our knowledge with new cruisers, offering factual information, and some opinions. 
My objection is to certain new posters, who have never been on a Regent ship, who continually express gloom and doom opinions regarding the ships and potential bankruptcy. And, they are not asking questions, rather offering their depressing opinions. 

Most of us who have sailed on Regent, are not stupid and understand the financial problems and safety changes that may be necessary in the future. 
But, we look on the bright side and would rather play games debating when the first scheduled sailing will occur.
When there is important information that is offered to us, we are appreciative that our fellow cruisers have posted it.  
So, all those of you who are new to Regent, keep the questions coming.

sheila

 

I appreciate and understand where you are coming from and am disappointed that anyone had to make unkind comments. 

 

In terms of gloom and doom, I find it disappointing that so many Regent cruisers feel the need to predict bankruptcy.  As Sheila said, we all know what the reality could be but do noy want to swim in a negativity pool. We are not ostrich’s  But are trying to stay in calm and be as positive as possible.  On the other hand, I love the light and playful comments and am enjoying guessing when the the first cruise will happen.  Even when a poster predicts a year in advance, it is still fun.  

 

Peace and stay well.

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As far as “gloom and doom” and recognizing the possibility of bankruptcy, I must plead guilty. But it is not what I want for Regent, of course. It is a risk I have to raise after being almost caught in the REN bankruptcy, and after some years practicing bankruptcy law. And it is not that Regent has done anything wrong — it hasn’t. But it has become the “child” of the Parent “NCL’. which has done much wrong according to the post on this thread about the WSJ  investigation into cruise lines. 

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1 hour ago, Pcardad said:

It's like The Price is Right...someone had to go long.

 

Aren't you too young to have seen the Price is Right?:classic_biggrin:  Guessing that you are watching the new version (which I watch when getting my nails done).  

 

Dolebludger - hoping that you keep the bankruptcy thoughts on the other thread.  Please do not take offense - it is difficult to find threads where comments about NCLH, the WSJ investigation, etc. are not rampant.  Thankfully, this is one of them.  

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I am having difficulty understanding the references in posts above that refer to other posters complaining about doom and gloom and bankruptcy on this thread.  The topic of the thread is the future of luxury cruising (from a Regent-lover's point of view).  Posters have discussed various alterations that they think could be necessary, such as crew quarters, social distancing, restaurant design, etc.  There were several posts about crew quarters.

 

I didn't even see a reference to bankruptcy on this thread until it is mentioned by Bellagio Cruisers in post #131 though maybe I missed something about it earlier.  Or maybe it is referring to posts somewhere else?

 

But also I don't understand what the label "gloom and doom" refers to on this thread.   Yes, on this thread there are questions and observations about what alterations will have to be made for ships to sail again--is that doom and gloom?   There is another thread on the CC Regent board about when posters think the first Regent cruise will happen.  Some guess it won’t be until 2021 or even 2022.  Is that doom and gloom?  Some CC users may see no good outcomes in the near future or even eventual bankruptcy. If those thoughts and ideas are "doom and gloom" are they supposed to be off limits on this thread or on CC? 

 

 

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I was responding to Sheila's thread.  I also responded to Dolebludger.  

 

When ships will resume is being covered by Mr. Levin's thread (in a good way) and the doom and gloom thread is being covered by this thread.  

 

 

 I feel that this thread is about what changes might occur going forward on Regent.  It has been pretty much on track.

 

While I do not need to be questioned or reminded about my posts, I will assume that your had a positive intention when you made your post.

 

Stay safe!

 

P.S.  You may not have noticed that there are also posts about stock.  While not negative, it is likely off topic.

 

 

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If the CDC has any common sense, Regent ships and ships like them may be the only ones allowed to cruise before the introduction of a good vaccine. I think everybody knows that this virus spreads in crowded area. Regent and it’s direct competition has very few crowded areas onboard. And the few areas that can be crowded at times are capable of mitigation. How can crowded conditions be mitigated on a mega skip? I don’t know, and I don’t think anybody else does.

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1 hour ago, Dolebludger said:

If the CDC has any common sense, Regent ships and ships like them may be the only ones allowed to cruise before the introduction of a good vaccine. I think everybody knows that this virus spreads in crowded area. Regent and it’s direct competition has very few crowded areas onboard. And the few areas that can be crowded at times are capable of mitigation. How can crowded conditions be mitigated on a mega skip? I don’t know, and I don’t think anybody else does.

I agree that ship size is a factor in avoiding Covid, but also it is the quality of the cruise line and crew to make sure that everything is kept immaculately clean.  Regent and its luxury and luxury-lite competitors are known for keeping a very clean ship.  Having been on Azamara right after being on Regent I would say that the emphasis on sanitation on Azamara is at least as good as that on Regent.  They do everything within their power to avoid infection to the point where the Captain no longer shakes hands but does a hip bump or elbow bump instead.  This was six months before Covid reared its ugly head.  Virtually none of the aforementioned cruise lines were on the Cover-19 "list of shame" except in one or two cases where a passenger came onto the ship with the virus in the first place, and were rapidly disembarked from the ship.  Every time I hear the media or the government generalize the Covid problems to all cruise lines it really upsets me because so many of the good cruise lines are being punished for a few bad actors from one  (Carnival) cruise company.  This is just MHO.

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Yes, cleaning and disinfecting on board is very important, along with the size of the ship (smaller is usually much better). And another very important factor is having a high space/passenger ratio. This is a numerical rating of the amount of space available to passengers, divided by the number of passengers. I don't know the exact mechanics of the calculation, but a ratio of about 30 means a very crowded cruise. The higher the number, the better. And I think most Regent ships have a ratio of nearly 80. I'm sure Azamara has a high ratio, too. The relationship between size of the ship, space/passenger ratio, and cleaning regarding disease transmission can be explained as all factors are important. Think of a 14' long fishing boat. It's small, but now consider that it has 10 people on board, and thus is crowded. But a there are only 10 people involved, the chances are small that anybody onboard has the virus. But it would be safer still with only 2 people onboard. But it would not be very safe if it were filthy. So factors of small ship size, cleaning and disinfecting, and a high space/passenger ratio all interplay in creating a healthy onboard experience. Lines like Regent and Azamara are basically safe and healthy on all three counts. Crowded mega ships fail on all three factors. The CDC needs to learn that all cruise lines are NOT alike!

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didn't even see a reference to bankruptcy on this thread until it is mentioned by Bellagio Cruisers in post #131 though maybe I missed something about it earlier.  Or maybe it is referring to posts somewhere else?

But also I don't understand what the label "gloom and doom" refers to on this thread.  

 

To CruisetheCs... I suggest you go back several pages in the subject. 
To those who believe in “ the glass is half empty” theory......I am an optimist and believe “ the glass is half full” End of this discussion for me.

I look forward to fun postings, lots of good discussion and all pertinent information regarding future sailing. 
thank you 

Sheila

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While I would like to think that all luxury lines are spacious, this is not the case.  While we really enjoyed our Crystal cruise, most people that have sailed on them know how tight some (not all) of the spaces are.  The MDR is particularly cramped - tables would need to be removed in order to keep any type of distancing.  

 

I hate to mention Silversea because we have had great experiences on their ships.  However, one of their ships in particular has had ongoing problems with cleanliness and that same ship was stuck in South America with a couple of cases of the coronavirus onboard.  

 

Not sure if Navigator has enough space.  We have not sailed on her in a while but I have read that it remains so crowded in La Veranda at times that Prime 7 (adjoining LV) has to be open in order to have enough seating.

 

Ladys Mom mentioned premium plus cruise lines.  Having cruised on Oceania's Riviera (very similar to Oceania's Marina), it seems that they a lot of room while their smaller ships (we have only toured one of them but have not sailed on them) may have issues with space.  We have not sailed on Seabourn, Azamara or Viking Ocean so I cannot comment on those ships.

 

My point is that the luxury and luxury-lite cruise lines may need to evaluate their ships to see if they will work with distancing and all cruise lines need to reevaluate their sanitizing procedures (Regent's procedures might set a good example for other cruise lines).  

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Oh, yes, even Regent will probably have to modify some areas, under a reasonable CDC order allowing cruises to resume before a vaccine is ready. But (hopefully) these won’t include ripping out too many walls and elimination of many suites! Things like going to more tables for two in the Compass Rose could go a long way. All I’m saying is reasonably required modifications on Regent ships might well be possible. I don’t see how mega ships could be so modified. 

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Me again - I just read something on another luxury board about requiring passengers to get their annual flu shot going forward.  While this is not going to do anything for Covid-19, it could help people differentiate between the flu and coronavirus since they are predicted to be active at the same time.  While the flu shot is not 100% effective and people that are allergic to eggs cannot have them, it is likely good to have as many passengers as possible have the flu shot before boarding.

 

We also do not know as yet if the Covid-19 (when it becomes available) will be a live virus or not.  If it is live, many people (including myself) cannot have it.  Something else to think about.

 

Mark Conroy (former President of Regent and beloved by many) responded to an inquiry from a Silversea passenger regarding what procedures they are considering going forward.  One thing they are considering is sending an "instant" Covid-19 test to passengers with their final documents to test themselves before boarding the plane and testing again prior to boarding.  While I like the idea of sending a test with final documents, if they come in contact with someone infected on the airplane, they would be stranded someplace in the world.  OTOH, airlines are doing so much to keep their planes safe (testing passengers before flights may be a good idea).  

 

While I am generally not interested in what other luxury lines are doing, in this case, I feel that we need as much information as possible on how to keep passengers and crews safe.

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4 hours ago, CruisetheCs said:

I am having difficulty understanding the references in posts above that refer to other posters complaining about doom and gloom and bankruptcy on this thread.  The topic of the thread is the future of luxury cruising (from a Regent-lover's point of view).  Posters have discussed various alterations that they think could be necessary, such as crew quarters, social distancing, restaurant design, etc.  There were several posts about crew quarters.

 

I didn't even see a reference to bankruptcy on this thread until it is mentioned by Bellagio Cruisers in post #131 though maybe I missed something about it earlier.  Or maybe it is referring to posts somewhere else?

 

But also I don't understand what the label "gloom and doom" refers to on this thread.   Yes, on this thread there are questions and observations about what alterations will have to be made for ships to sail again--is that doom and gloom?   There is another thread on the CC Regent board about when posters think the first Regent cruise will happen.  Some guess it won’t be until 2021 or even 2022.  Is that doom and gloom?  Some CC users may see no good outcomes in the near future or even eventual bankruptcy. If those thoughts and ideas are "doom and gloom" are they supposed to be off limits on this thread or on CC? 

 

 

i think what happens is that some of the posts are so incredibly long...almost like dissertations and I often zone out rather than get stuck in the weeds. Things get pulled and we might not even know why because......

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