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6 hours ago, TLCOhio said:

Speaking on the condition of anonyminity as she was not authorised to talk to the media, the manning agency representative said that many of the seaferers who had been laid off when the cruise sector shut down have 'moved on with their lives'.

 

I have friends currently on Nieuw Amsterdam who have spoken with crew members with whom they have sailed.  Asking about others whom they know, the responses they have heard are this.  This cannot be surprising to anyone.  

 

On 4/10/2022 at 11:36 AM, TLCOhio said:

The transformation from oil to gas also means that Utopia will have a slightly different silhouette;

 

Carnival's new Mardi Gras is so powered with LNG (and can also use oil, as I understand it.).  She looks like a ship to me.  A rather large one!

 

8 hours ago, crusinbanjo said:

LNG is potentially explosive it must be handled with extreme care.  

 

This is what concerns me by using this type of fuel for a passenger vessel.  

 

2 hours ago, cruiseej said:

Any many people, weary of the past two years of Covid, will avoid testing unless they feel seriously ill or are required for work or travel. 

 

I think you are right.  The question that I think may pop into people's minds if they think they may have a "cold", will they "test" to determine if how they feel is just a "cold" or not?  

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On 4/7/2022 at 12:24 PM, CJANDH said:

Has anyone heard anything about the USA dropping its covid test requirement to fly home? This seems to be the biggest stumbling block for many travelers, as a positive test after disembarkation, leads to a prolonged quarantine in a foreign land and issues getting certification of recovery if you still test positive after quarantining. Many countries have dropped the requirement. When will the USA follow?

 

 

I fear our government health care professionals are more concerned about  pontificating on cable news shows than instituting guidelines more accordance with the risk Covid currently represents.

 

 

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Quite a few issues have come up in my 3 days absence.

First one airline is going to great lengths to avoid Russian and Ukrainian airspace by flying to london via Alaska.

https://onemileatatime.com/news/japan-airlines-route-london/

We user to fly JAL NRT-JFK which overflew Alaska. some great views.

 

And FauxNom there have been studies that show if you have had covid then 1 shot of vaccine increases your resistance but further doses really don't add to that. So I wouldn't be in any hurry in your situation.

 

As to the older people of Hong Kong not getting vaccinated I know quite a few who have immigrated from h\Hong Kong. They all say it is because the elderly distrust the Government they have now.

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19 hours ago, cruiseej said:

Positive test case counts seems to now be a very unreliable measurement statistic. I live near the city of Philadelphia, which has established specific metrics (average new cases per day, hospitalizations, case increase over prior week) for imposing various degrees of Covid mitigation measures — and as cases have been on the rise, may be the first large US city to re-impose a mandatory indoor masking mandate. And I expect people will push back with non-compliance and anger, because everyone is tired of masks, irrespective of whether cases are surging again. So no, I don't think we've "learned to live with it", but many people have just decided to resume relatively normal life whether Covid is or isn't prevalent, because they have been vaccinated, have had Covid, and/or don't see large numbers of people dying around them. 

 

Appreciate these additional postings, comments and follow-ups.  Philadelphia, good or bad, is the current leader in being the first to re-impose the indoor mask mandates.  Agree much confusion between testing/cases confirmed versus actually hospitalizations, etc. 

 

From the London/UK Daily Mail this morning, they had this headline: Read the strict Covid rules and vaccine mandates for ALL passengers and crew when cruise ships finally return to Australia after two years with these highlights:Aussie travellers keen to get out to sea face strict Covid rules and vaccine mandates as the East Coast prepares for the return of cruise ships. New South Wales, Queensland and Victoria have been working jointly to put together changes to cruise travel that aims to reduce the risk of big Covid outbreaks, while allowing passengers to enjoy their cruise ship holiday.  Passengers will need to get a negative Covid-19 test before embarking, while those symptomatic are able to board ships but they will need to get a negative PCR test that same day.  Passengers will only need to wear masks when embarking and disembarking, plus indoors on board when it isn't possible to socially distance.   All holiday makers over 12 must have received two doses of the Covid vaccine, yet all crew have to have their three doses, with exceptions for those who aren't yet eligible.

 

Full story at:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10710313/Read-strict-cruise-ship-Covid-rules-vaccine-mandates-passengers-crew.html

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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There is some speculation that the US will drop the test requirement to re enter the country.  One can only hope.

 

From the following article

 

"The administration is also considering lifting requirements that international visitors get a negative COVID-19 test within a day of travel, as many countries have dropped testing requirements. The administration requires foreign air travelers to be vaccinated."

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-house-faces-april-18-deadline-transit-mask-mandate-2022-04-11/

 

 

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1 hour ago, RetiredandTravel said:

There is some speculation that the US will drop the test requirement to re enter the country.  One can only hope.

 

Thanks for posting. Agree that it's a pain. Our next try at international traveling is less than 8 weeks from now. Too soon to realistically expect it to be gone but hope springs eternal! 

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1 hour ago, RetiredandTravel said:

There is some speculation that the US will drop the test requirement to re enter the country.  One can only hope.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-house-faces-april-18-deadline-transit-mask-mandate-2022-04-11/

 

 

YES, we can hope and wish for things to get to being more "normal" and easier.  Well summarized by J.P as "it's a pain".  Where are J.P. and Chris headed in eight weeks?  By what means of transport?  

 

Appreciate these comments and all of these various follow-ups.  BUT . . . . 

 

From former USA Today travel expert Gene Sloan this morning, he had this headline: Is the Asia cruise season in jeopardy? At least one line is pulling out with these highlights:One of the world’s biggest cruise lines has canceled all its Asia cruises for the rest of the year and the first half of 2023, citing the continued uncertainty around when ports in the region will reopen.  Miami-based Celebrity Cruises late Monday sent a notice to travel agents that the upcoming deployment of its 2,850-passenger Celebrity Solstice to Asia in September for seven months would no longer take place.  The ship, which was scheduled to operate all of Celebrity’s Asia cruises for the coming year, instead will stay close to home, operating sailings to the Mexican Riviera. 'Due to the ongoing uncertainty regarding the restart of international operations in the Asia region, we have made the difficult decision to cancel our Celebrity Solstice sailings in this part of the world,' the line said in a letter sent late Monday to travel agents.  The anouncement comes as travel restrictions related to the COVID-19 pandemic continue to snarl travel in some parts of Asia.  Even as most ports in North America and Europe have reopened to cruise ships over the past year, many ports in Asia remain closed to cruise ships due to COVID-19 concerns. Some countries in Asia have implemented much stricter policies to reduce COVID-19 cases than have been seen in other parts of the world.

 

As detailed below in my 2014 live/blog, we super enjoyed the Solstice for doing Australia and New Zealand.  Here is more from Sloan's great reporting: "Some lines, such as Royal Caribbean, already have cut back their Asia deployment plans for the coming year while not pulling out completely. Royal Caribbean earlier this year said its 4,269-passenger Voyager of the Seas would return to North America later this year after spending 10 years sailing in Asia and Australia.  Royal Caribbean’s 5,622-passenger Spectrum of the Seas remains in Asia, operating short cruises of Singapore aimed at the local market.  The trend in cruise ship deployments for this year is “less Asia, including virtually no China, [and] more Caribbean, Europe, Alaska and Mexican Riviera.' "

 

Full story at:

https://thepointsguy.com/news/asia-cruise-season-cancellations/

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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48 minutes ago, jpalbny said:

 

Thanks for posting. Agree that it's a pain. Our next try at international traveling is less than 8 weeks from now. Too soon to realistically expect it to be gone but hope springs eternal! 

 

Agreed.  We are going to Europe around the same time frame and intend to get boosted (#2) a month before we leave.  Our concern isn't getting seriously ill but testing positive right before we come home.

 

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6 hours ago, TLCOhio said:

The trend in cruise ship deployments for this year is “less Asia, including virtually no China, [and] more Caribbean, Europe, Alaska and Mexican Riviera.' "

 

How will this impact pricing for these cruises?  How will this impact the cruise lines financial results?  

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Good morning, another person here who is sailing in a couple of months........out of Barcelona. 

I will be waiting to see if any protocols are changed for my cruise too. One can only hope. 

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23 hours ago, Lois R said:

Good morning, another person here who is sailing in a couple of months ........ out of Barcelona. I will be waiting to see if any protocols are changed for my cruise too. One can only hope. 

 

Good luck to Lois with your upcoming Barcelona sailing.  Yes, great comment and follow-up in noting "One can only hope."  With the Federal government extending the mask mandate on airlines, etc., into May and the new variants causing Covid spike ups, things are far from done and settled.  Right? 

 

From the Wall Street Journal yesterday afternoon, they had this headline: Holiday Travel Is Back—With Long Lines and Big Waits" with this sub-headline: "Carriers and airports struggle to ramp up after cutting jobs and idling planes during Covid-19 pandemic.

 

Here are some of their reporting highlights:Large crowds are snarling airports across the world as holiday travel returns to levels not seen since before the Covid-19 pandemic.   Many travel restrictions imposed over the past two years have now been lifted and people are making up for lost time to visit relatives, travel for work or take a vacation, especially during the Easter holidays. But airlines and airports are struggling to ramp up, as a labor shortage stymies efforts to recruit new workers and Covid infections sideline many existing employees.  London Heathrow Airport says it is scrambling to hire 12,000 workers. And in Sydney, Australia’s biggest city, the airport is expecting Thursday—the day before a four-day Easter weekend—to be the busiest domestic-travel day since March 2020, a huge challenge with 20% of its staff missing work every day because of Covid-19. Airlines spent much of the pandemic laying off or furloughing thousands of workers and mothballing planes. Many pilots had to find work elsewhere, from grocery stores to farms where they operated heavy machinery instead of jumbo jets. Now, the aviation sector is competing for workers with other industries, from truck driving to hospitality, that are also experiencing a surge in demand. Some U.S. airlines have said they don’t have enough staff to recover quickly when bad weather or other disruptions hit.

 

How do you get to Barcelona and/or your cruise departure port if there are these serious challenges with airline flights, etc.  Lots of issues and questions?

 

Full story at:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/holiday-travel-is-backwith-long-lines-and-big-waits-11649859655?mod=hp_lead_pos3

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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From the New York Times yesterday, they had this headline: Masks Stay On: C.D.C. Keeps the Mandate on Planes" with this sub-headline: "Despite pressure from airlines and industry groups, the Biden administration extended the requirement to wear masks while traveling on public transportation through May 3.

 

Here are their story highlights:Despite great pressure from airlines, the hospitality industry and Republican lawmakers to lift the rule requiring masks on planes and other public transportation, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention extended the federal transportation mask requirement for two weeks on Wednesday, five days before it was set to expire. The mask mandate now expires May 3, if it is not extended yet again.  Dr. Ashish K. Jha, the new White House Covid response coordinator, said in an interview that the additional time will allow the C.D.C. to assess whether BA.2, a subvariant of the coronavirus, is going to become a 'ripple or a wave' in the United States. The C.D.C. will use that information to determine whether the mandate should be extended further, he said.  'If the infection numbers are relatively low, as they are right now, then I think it’s reasonable to remove mask mandates,' he said, emphasizing that it’s a C.D.C. decision. In a statement announcing the extension of the divisive rule, the C.D.C. said BA.2 now makes up more than 85 percent of new U.S. virus cases.

 

Full story at:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/13/travel/federal-mask-mandate-airplanes.html

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio   

 

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Not wanting to be a "Debbie Downer", there is some good, encouraging news out there being reported.  See this story/update!  

 

From the Wall Street Journal this morning, they had this headline: Omicron BA.2 Is Advancing, but Covid-19 Hospitalizations Stay Muted" with this sub-headline: "While cases and wastewater signals are rising, public-health experts hope built-up immunity will help U.S. miss a serious surge.

 

Here are some of their story highlights:The Omicron BA.2 variant has dominated new infections in the U.S. for weeks without setting off a major surge so far, raising hopes among some public-health experts that the nation might dodge a more significant hit.  BA.2 is in particular affecting the Northeast, where virus concentrations in wastewater are rising alongside reported infections in such places as New York, Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia. Concern about BA.2 prompted Philadelphia to restore an indoor-mask requirement and U.S. authorities to extend mask mandates for airplanes and other forms of transportation.  Still, BA.2 hasn’t yet caused the rise in hospitalizations some doctors said they would have anticipated. Disease experts say some combination of immunity from Covid-19 vaccinations and a severe wintertime surge, aided by springtime weather drawing people outdoors, might be keeping the virus at bay.  Nationally, Covid-19 hospitalizations recently reached the lowest level following any major surge. The Northeast has recently recorded an uptick in newly admitted Covid-19 patients, federal data show, but the numbers remain far below levels seen during this winter’s Omicron-fueled surge.

 

Full story at:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-ba-2-is-advancing-but-covid-19-hospitalizations-stay-muted-11649939327

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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On 4/14/2022 at 5:52 PM, rkacruiser said:

Masks required for flying, for booking Amtrak, etc.?  I have zero interest in doing so.  

 

Yes, there are reasons for not wanting to fly, etc.  Appreciate the comment and follow-up from our SW Ohio neighbor.  

 

From the New York Times yesterday, they had this headline: Travel’s ‘Great Comeback’ Has a Price: Chaos" with this sub-headline: "In recent weeks, travelers on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean have endured flight delays or cancellations, and plenty of frustration. Is this the new normal?

 

Here are some their story highlights:Over the last two weeks, travelers on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean have endured long lines at airports, flight delays or cancellations, and plenty of frustration.  Thousands of Britons have flocked to airports for the start of the Easter vacation season, which coincided with governments across Europe dropping coronavirus restrictions. But in the last two weeks, more than a thousand flights have been canceled across Britain, upending vacation plans for tens of thousands of passengers. Last Saturday alone, British Airways and easyJet canceled more than 100 flights.  In the United States, low-cost carriers like Southwest and Spirit were also forced to cancel flights earlier this month following technical glitches and bad weather. Additionally, JetBlue and Alaska Airlines announced reductions to spring and summer flight schedules, with JetBlue reducing its May flight capacity between 8 percent and 10 percent and saying it plans to make similar cuts to its summer schedule, while Alaska cut 2 percent of its flight schedule through June.  The cuts came at a time when travel demand has come roaring back, with some airlines and airports reporting the highest passenger numbers since the start of the pandemic. London’s Heathrow Airport received 4.2 million passengers in March, a more than sevenfold jump from a year ago. In the United States, passenger traffic in recent months has reached nearly 90 percent of prepandemic levels, according to the Transportation Security Administration.  It seems like the new normal for travelers may be chaos driven by the continued spread of variants and subvariants of the coronavirus and travel operators who are still unable to cope with the volume of demand.

 

Full story at:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/16/travel/europe-travel-covid-comeback.html

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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On 4/14/2022 at 5:52 PM, rkacruiser said:

Masks required for flying, for booking Amtrak, etc.?  I have zero interest in doing so.  

A federal judge has voided the CDC’s mask mandate on public transportation. Numerous outlets are reporting this. Here is one. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-judge-rules-mask-mandate-transport-unlawful-overturning-biden-effort-2022-04-18/

 

I am very interested in what happens the next couple days since we’re flying cross-country on Thursday. Stay tuned!

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1 hour ago, CruiserFromMaine said:

A federal judge has voided the CDC’s mask mandate on public transportation. Numerous outlets are reporting this. Here is one. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-judge-rules-mask-mandate-transport-unlawful-overturning-biden-effort-2022-04-18/

 

I am very interested in what happens the next couple days since we’re flying cross-country on Thursday. Stay tuned!

 

I read that today as well.  Prediction:  the government will appeal and request a stay in this Judge's order.  

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5 hours ago, rkacruiser said:

Prediction:  the government will appeal and request a stay in this Judge's order. 


I suspect so too, but until then it seems masking is optional. 
 

The developments added fresh confusion to masking policies nationwide, with several airlines and travel authorities quickly announcing Monday evening that masks are now optional. It is unclear if the Justice Department will seek an order halting the ruling and file an appeal.”

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/18/politics/cdc-mask-mandate-ruling/index.html

 

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7 hours ago, iMarco46 said:

 

Yes, that airline masking requirement has been lifted within the U.S.  Based on the early morning TV network news, there has been no announcement for any plans to appeal this Federal District Judge's ruling.  Why not appeal?  That takes times for such consideration and this requirement was scheduled to expire soon in early May.  Plus, has the public's "mood" on mandates shifted?  

 

From the Washington Post this morning, they had this headline: TSA stops mask enforcement after federal judge voids mandate with these highlights: “Federal officials stopped enforcement of a federal mask mandate Monday in transportation settings after a federal judge struck down the requirement, prompting several airlines to announce that face coverings are optional on domestic flights.  U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle of the Middle District of Florida said the mandate exceeds the statutory authority of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Federal officials last week had extended the mask mandate for commercial flights and in other settings, including on buses, ferries and subways, until at least May 3.  The transportation mandate has been among the highest-profile mask requirements in the country, persisting after most school districts and other jurisdictions have allowed similar mandates to expire. The CDC’s masking order has been enforced through directives issued by the Transportation Security Administration. In her decision Monday, Mizelle said the CDC had relied on a 1944 law, the Public Health Service Act, to impose the mandate. But the government’s argument that it put the mask requirement in place for the purpose of 'sanitation' falls short.  Mizelle found for the plaintiffs on three key issues, ruling that the CDC had exceeded its legal authority, that it had improperly avoided notice and comment procedures, and that its mandate was “\'arbitrary and capricious.' ”

 

Here is more from this story: "Industry trade group Airlines for America said U.S. airlines 'have been strong advocates for eliminating pandemic-era policies and are encouraged by the lifting of the federal transportation mask mandate.' The group said high U.S. immunity levels and widespread vaccine accessibility, plus hospital grade cabin-air filtration, should give travelers confidence."

 

Full story at:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/04/18/mask-mandate-transportation-airplanes/

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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Making is optional on Delta too. https://news.delta.com/masks-now-optional-employees-customers-following-white-house-announcement
 

We’re flying on Delta on Thursday. I am glad the mandate is lifted. But…I will wear a mask for much of the flight because pre-Covid I had sometimes caught some sort of bug on a plane. I don’t want to start a cruise that way. I will enjoy, however, not having to be reminded to keep pulling my mask up and down between bites and sips. I also don’t think the last extension was necessary but since I’m not a doctor I could be wrong. 
 

There could still be an appeal to preserve the CDC’s right to issue mandates in the future but it might be moot by the time it’s heard. 

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48 minutes ago, CruiserFromMaine said:

We’re flying on Delta on Thursday. I am glad the mandate is lifted. But…I will wear a mask for much of the flight 

There could still be an appeal to preserve the CDC’s right to issue mandates in the future but it might be moot by the time it’s heard. 

 

Later this month, we will be flying south to Orlando and will be using a mask for this slightly over two-hour, non-stop flight.  On the question of appealing this rule, agree that IF if is reversed, it would allow more future "flexibility".  But, if you appeal and lose, then there are sharper limits as to what can be in the future.  Interesting choice and decision by the US Justice Department officials??  

 

From the Wall Street Journal this morning, they had this headline: Global Airlines Weigh Mask Rules After U.S. Flights Drop Mandate" with this sub-headline: "Air France and Lufthansa still require masks; British Airways and KLM say it depends on destination.

 

Here are some of this story's reporting highlights:European airlines are weighing up their mask requirements on flights to the U.S. after a federal judge threw out the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s mask mandate on mass transport, including onboard aircraft.  The ruling on Monday led U.S. carriers including Delta Air Lines Inc. and United Airlines Holdings Inc. to drop their face-covering requirements on domestic flights, and on international flights where local regulations don’t require passengers to wear them.  The ruling surprised airlines and has alternatively delighted and frustrated passengers. It has also split European carriers regarding what they should require on trans-Atlantic flights. Spokespersons for Air France and Deutsche Lufthansa AG said masks were still required on board all their flights, in line with French and German regulations.  British Airways, owned by International Consolidated Airlines Group SA, and Dutch flag carrier KLM—which operates in a partnership alongside Air France—told customers that the requirement to wear masks onboard was dependent on restrictions in the arrival destination. KLM told passengers that it still 'strongly advises all passengers' to wear a face mask on board.  Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd. said that masks would be a personal choice for customers effective immediately on all routes between the U.K. and U.S. Many European countries have already dropped the mask requirement. The U.K. was among the first countries globally to drop all Covid-19 travel rules, including requiring the use of face coverings on board flights and in airport terminals. Sweden has also dropped its Covid-19 travel restrictions. Scandinavian airline SAS AB has been sending texts to passengers reminding them that masks are no longer required on most flights.

 

Full story at:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/international-carriers-weigh-mask-rules-after-u-s-flights-drop-mandate-11650369210?mod=hp_lead_pos3

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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I fly overseas in June........I wonder if more changes will be implemented by the time I sail..........I guess I will just have to keep checking on a daily/weekly basis.

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I have found this Delta link to be very useful to monitor Covid related rules, most airlines have a similar link.  The mask requirement going to Europe depends on the country you are visiting.  Hopefully the CDC will just drop the appeal on masks.  With vaccinations, antivirals and new less potent variants IMO the masks & testing requirement to re enter the US are no longer necessary. Time to move on.

 

https://www.delta.com/us/en/travel-planning-center/know-before-you-go/travel-requirements-guide

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