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3 hours ago, TLCOhio said:

 

Am I assuming correctly that Lois expresses a desire for a "Test Cruise" that she really means a "FREE" sailing??  Not sure if and/or how soon such no-cost test cruises will be happening.  That is one of many "mystery meat" questions floating around.    

 

From USA Today this afternoon, they had this headline: Royal Caribbean crew members test positive for COVID-19, disembark in Spain as passengerless ship sails to US” with these highlights: “Royal Caribbean's newest ship, Odyssey of the Seas, disembarked several crew members who have tested positive for COVID-19 in Spain as the ship makes its way to the United States after canceling cruises in Israel amid unrest earlier this month.  The ship is carrying 1,400 crew members. There are no passengers on board.  'Earlier this week, four crew members were identified after a positive test; they were immediately quarantined,' Royal Caribbean said.  Another crew member had inconclusive test results. All five were asymptomatic.  'We are working with local health authorities to safely disembark these crew members and oversee any medical care they need,' the cruise line said and later confirmed that the crew members had indeed disembarked at the Port of Palma in Mallorca, Spain.”

 

Does this little "detail" raise any questions?  And, how does this "news" affect the speed for CDC to allow and open up cruises from U.S. ports?  Am I worrying too much over nothing?

 

Full story at:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2021/05/24/royal-caribbean-cruise-ship-drops-off-covid-19-crew-spain/7414599002/

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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13 hours ago, gator50 said:

Terry, did you do a blog on Croatia and/or Slovenia ?  If so, can I have access to ita/

 

For gator50, below are two links that somewhat might help in and around Croatia.  Hope this helps. We desire to re-visit this charming and historic area.  Much to enjoy there.  Montenegro is very interesting, also!! 

 

Agree strongly with the key phrase of "time will tell" from Jazzbeau connected with another thread on this SS Board regarding a video by the Royal Caribbean top executive   This was a CEO Fain message aimed towards travel agents, encouraging them to be optimistic, have hope and . . .  SELL!!!  

 

But, time has proven that the CDC has been rather slow and not very trusting of the promises, wishes and hopes offered by the cruise industry.  It will happen.  The only question is when and with what conditions imposed by the CDC bureaucracy.  Fain's sales "hype" is just that.  There has been progress.  It will, however, be a very "GRADUAL" process in re-opening with a number of zig-zags, ups-and-downs, etc., during this slow, deliberate process.  

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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From USA Today yesterday afternoon, they had this headline: “President Biden signs Alaska tourism act to allow cruise ships to visit the state this year” with these highlights: “President Joe Biden signed the Alaska Tourism Restoration Act into law, which allows cruise ships to visit Alaska.  Republican Senator Murkowski, Senator Sullivan and Congressman Young introduced the legislation in March, hoping it would temporarily relieve restrictions in place as a result of the Passenger Vessel Services Act.   U.S. maritime law requires international stops on ships flagged in foreign countries, which includes many major cruise lines' ships. The law will allow cruise ships to sail to Alaska without requiring a stop in Canada, which currently has a ban on cruising, prohibiting such a stop, posing a challenge to Alaska's tourism industry and the cruise industry.  The Senate unanimously passed the bill earlier this month and was approved by the House of Representatives Thursday.  As a result of the legislation's approval within Congress, cruise lines have begun announcing sailings that visit Alaska.”

 

Good news!!  Bi-partisan progress getting, temporarily, a law changed that was long, long out-of-date.  

 

Full story at:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2021/05/24/cruise-ships-bill-biden-alaska/7417266002/

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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As we are booked to leave Vancouver on the Muse in July 2022, I hope that the itineraries will revert to Vancouver for then. My hope is that Canada realise they are losing millions in port fees, tourism no longer happening, etc, such that they stop their "do not enter or cruise" policy by next spring. 

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From the respected Bloomberg News and MSN this morning, they had this headline: U.S. Warns Against Japan Travel, Sowing New Doubt About Olympics” with these highlights: “The U.S. said Americans should avoid traveling to Japan, with much of the country under a state of emergency over a Covid-19 outbreak that has sown doubts about Tokyo’s plans to host the Olympics in less than two months.  The State Department raised its travel advisory to level four on Monday, putting Japan in a category with a broad swath of nations from Latin America to Europe that Americans are urged to avoid due to coronavirus concerns.  The action -- which comes despite far lower infection rates in Japan than the U.S. -- is a fresh blow to a country struggling to convince its own public and the international community that it’s ready to host the Summer Olympics beginning on July 23, following their delay in 2020.  The latest Covid-19 wave in Japan has largely been driven by more infectious strains from abroad, adding to concerns about inviting thousands of overseas participants, including athletes and officials. Some competitors have expressed safety concerns, with the U.S. track and field team canceling pre-Olympics training in the country.”

 

Here is more from this story: "Japan’s slow progress on vaccinations means restrictions on bars, restaurants and large gatherings are about its only means of preventing the spread of infections. Just over 3% of the island nation’s population has been inoculated, the lowest among the 37 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development"

 

If an "advanced" country such as Japan is having this type of challenge now, what does it say about the time it will take for many other countries around the world to advance accordingly as to when their ports that can be safely visited by cruise ship passengers?

 

Full story at:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/us-warns-against-japan-travel-sowing-new-doubt-on-olympics/ar-AAKkI11

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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I am surprised that they haven't vaccinated like mad before the Olympics. Do you know the reason why, and if that will ramp up?

 

On another note we still hope to visit Dubai in March 2022 to go to their Expo (which starts this October). I understood that they had vaccinated madly. Unfortunately they used the Chinese Sinovac vaccine, and I read this is not that effective, so not sure if that will happen either?

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Good morning, I think many of us are asking that same question.........WHY?  I don't know what is going on but they have really dropped the ball on it.....that is for sure👎

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2 hours ago, worldtraveller99 said:

My hope is that Canada realise they are losing millions in port fees, tourism no longer happening, etc, such that they stop their "do not enter or cruise" policy by next spring. 

The fear now might be the US will no longer continue enforcing the antiquated Jones policy once the new bill approaches expiration, so that cruise lines no longer require a stop in Canada at all.

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I guess the best laid vaccination plans can go awry.  Just got this from Silversea regarding our June 18th cruise on the Moon:

 

Dear Esteemed Guest, 
 
Thank you for trusting Silversea for your upcoming cruise on the brand new Silver Moon. The time to restart cruising has arrived and the ship is beautiful. We are all eager to welcome you in Athens. 
 
We are writing today to let you know that there is a slight complication. It had long been planned that Silver Moon’s crew would receive the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, which, as you may know, requires just one dose. However, due to a delay in its delivery, our crew will now receive the Pfizer vaccination, which means they will need two shots instead of one. This means that they will have only received their second dose on June 13 – five days prior to Silver Moon's June 18 departure date. 
 
The CDC's definition of ‘fully vaccinated’ suggests that all recipients of the Pfizer vaccine must let two weeks pass after the second dose before they are considered fully vaccinated. A study of the Pfizer vaccine by Public Health England showed a range of efficacy between 52% and 97% by 21 days after the first dose. A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study among vaccinated healthcare workers showed a single dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine was 82% effective. 
 
Silversea has decided to operate the cruise as planned, departing on June 18. Please note that, while we have opted to welcome only vaccinated guests and crew, Silversea is following the European Healthy Gateway onboard protocols on our Greek itineraries, which have been designed for cruise vessels operating without the mandatory requirement of vaccinations.
 
If you would prefer to amend your voyage, we would be more than happy to change your booking to another sailing in Silver Moon's inaugural season in Greece. Moreover, should you have made private air and hotel arrangements, Silversea will be happy to support the necessary changes. 
 
Should you decide to change your cruise or should you have any additional questions, please don't hesitate to reach out to us at any of the following numbers:
 
 ASIA +65 6223 1846 
AUSTRALIA +1300 306 872
AUSTRIA  +43 8000 68 762
BELGIUM +32 2 401 1432
DENMARK +45 7014 2898
GERMANY +49 69 2222 12283
FINLAND +358 9 2319 5040
FRANCE +33 1 7070 9622
IRELAND +353 (01) 6110 560
ITALY +39 02 3604 9211
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We look forward to hosting you on the beautiful Silver Moon. 
 
 
Best personal regards,
 
Roberto Martinoli
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43 minutes ago, sea bright said:

We are writing today to let you know that there is a slight complication. It had long been planned that Silver Moon’s crew would receive the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, which, as you may know, requires just one dose. However, due to a delay in its delivery, our crew will now receive the Pfizer vaccination, which means they will need two shots instead of one.  Silversea has decided to operate the cruise as planned, departing on June 18.  Best personal regards, Roberto Martinoli

 

Appreciate the above sharing of this update about the Silver Moon's initial sailing from Greece.  While it is called a "slight complication", my view is that this much more than a "minor detail".  Legally, the CDC does not have control over sailings in Greece, but this "problem" or short-coming would raise serious red-flags if the Silversea ship was sailing out of Florida under this situation.  Personally, I would probably still go ahead  with the sailing, BUT, my wife, a RN with some immune challenges, would be very concerned.  Personal choice??!!  How much risk?

 

Will the cruise lines have more such future "bad judgement" hopes/mismanagements happen with sailings over the next six to twelve months??  Or, is a one-time goof?   Does this create "CONFIDENCE GAPS" as to the preparedness by cruise management?  They need to be concerned about BOTH passenger and staff safety.  Who's in charge?  Will the CDC find out about this situation?

 

From former USA Today travel expert Gene Sloan this morning, they had this headline: “Why it’s easier to meet new people on smaller cruise ships with these column highlights: “Looking to make some new friends on your next cruise? Here’s a bit of advice that may seem counterintuitive: Pick a smaller ship.  Back when I was first writing about cruising, more than 25 years ago, the grizzled veterans of the cruise-writing world would tell me this, and I thought they were crazy. After all, there are a lot more people to meet on bigger ships than smaller ships. But it turns out they were right.  As I’ve learned over a career that has taken me on more than 150 distinct cruise vessels of all shapes and sizes — everything from a tiny, 36-passenger riverboat on Myanmar’s Irrawaddy River to Royal Caribbean‘s massive, 5,518-passenger Symphony of the Seas — it’s generally much easier to meet people on small ships.  One of the defining features of any given small ship, of course, is that it is small. And that means that it’ll have less space across which you and your fellow cruisers can spread out. It’ll also carry fewer passengers in general than bigger ships.  These two factors make it much more likely that you will see the same people again and again — in lounges, around the pool, on tours — in a way that increases the odds you’ll strike up a conversation and soon be fast friends. On big ships with thousands of passengers, you often can go days without seeing the same person twice.”

 

For those of us who have done multiple SS cruises, YES, being on a smaller ship has its advantages.  Great summary by a real travel pro!!

 

Full story at:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/tips/why-its-easier-to-meet-new-people-on-smaller-cruise-ships/ar-AAKmFJV?ocid=BingNewsSearch

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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3 hours ago, Lois R said:

Hi, at least they are being up front about it..........they could have chosen to not say anything at all.

 

How could Silversea have decided  . . . "not say anything at all"??????   This is very, very serious, legally and medically.  It is bound to get out to the media and the CDC, right?

 

Their iron-clad, written promise on their website and to people who signed up for this cruise was ""All embarking crew and guests must have been fully vaccinated prior to sail date in order to board our ships."  You are NOT "fully vaccinated" until at least two week AFTER your second Pfizer shot.   

 

It sounds as if most all of the whole crew will not have been "fully vaccinated" till well after June 18.  If only a handful of the overall staff were not vaccinated, it might be different.  What are the full, complete facts for the numbers of staff involved?

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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3 hours ago, TLCOhio said:

Their iron-clad, written promise on their website and to people who signed up for this cruise was ""All embarking crew and guests must have been fully vaccinated prior to sail date in order to board our ships."  You are NOT "fully vaccinated" until at least two week AFTER your second Pfizer shot.


I listened to a vlog tonight where the speaker indicated the return to sailing would be “messy.” He cited some confusion over Royal Caribbean but he’s right overall and this issue with not getting the J&J vaccine is just one more example. Fasten your seatbelts, everyone, this will be a bumpy start. We need to be patient but also alert. 

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10 hours ago, CruiserFromMaine said:

I listened to a vlog tonight where the speaker indicated the return to sailing would be “messy.” He cited some confusion over Royal Caribbean but he’s right overall and this issue with not getting the J&J vaccine is just one more example. Fasten your seatbelts, everyone, this will be a bumpy start. We need to be patient but also alert. 

 

Super appreciate this above sharing, comments and follow-up from our cruising friend in Maine.  Agree 100% that being BOTH being patient and alert will be required and vital.  Hopefully, Silversea will share more "specifics" and details as to how many staff are involved and exactly how they will handle this "situation" over the planned J&J vaccine not being available for the Silver Moon staff.  TRUST is a serious question that must be EARNED by honesty and full disclosure. 

 

From the helpful taxatty in Miami on another SS thread, there was the important sharing of a story from Miami Herald yesterday that had this headline: Royal Caribbean gets first CDC go-ahead for test cruises from Miami in late June with these highlights: “The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention gave its first green light for test cruises to Royal Caribbean Group Tuesday, the agency said in a statement.  The cruise company will be able to conduct simulated cruises with volunteer passengers in late June to test out its COVID-19 protocols from PortMiami on its Freedom of the Seas ship. The test cruises are a requirement for ships that are not guaranteeing most passengers and crew on board are vaccinated against COVID-19 before revenue cruises can begin.  The approval is a significant step forward for the cruise industry, which has not been able to operate in the U.S. — its most lucrative market — since March 2020. ”

 

For those such as Lois who are interested in being a volunteer/victim, here is more from their reporting: "Volunteers who aren’t vaccinated must attest that they are not at high risk of severe COVID-19. Cruise companies will have to end a test cruise if 1.5% of COVID-19 cases are detected in passengers or 1% of COVID-19 cases are detected in crew. Royal Caribbean International spokesperson Lyan Sierra-Caro said people interested in volunteering can visit the company’s Volunteers of the Seas page on Facebook."

 

Full story at:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article251674538.html?ac_cid=DM457969&ac_bid=557618077

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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Hi Terry, good morning........I don't consider it being a victim. People would be going at their own choice.

And I meant if Silversea would be doing a test cruise. I have no desire to sail on Royal's "floating cities".

A test cruise on SS would be much different than on a mass market ship.

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Dr. Spins and I are contemplating what we are going to do.

I have no desire to “buy” more risk after spending more than a year practicing risk avoidance behaviors resulting in our not contracting Covid, but the sequestration and denial of normalcy came at a price too.

We are the lucky and most fortunate ones to even be entering into this thought process as so many others have paid the ultimate price and others continue to suffer.

 

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Spins. I understand your trepidation. From my point of view, 5 days post Pfizer shot #2 is close enough to fully vaccinated, even if it's not "officially" good enough. 

 

Given that all guests will be vaccinated, the overall risk to guests and crew should be very low with this arrangement. But everyone has a different level of risk aversion. Hope you can come to a decision that works for you.

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Spins,

As jp says, at 5 days post second shot the crew are as near as dammit fully vaccinated. 
You’re probably at greater risk of an adverse event during the drive to the airport, but don’t dwell on that either!
Your decision but if it were me, I’d go without a second thought. Gotta start trusting a fully vaccinated status (yours) sometime. 

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58 minutes ago, spinnaker2 said:

JP, As I mentioned, I am not asking for the Moon, but I am.

 

Appreciate these great follow-ups from Spins, J.P., jollyjones and Lois.  I do not believe that Spins is "asking for the Moon".  You just wanted what was promised and guaranteed in writing to you and others by Silversea.  To J.P.'s excellent point, if everyone of the 400+ Silver Moon crew members were at the stage of being only five days after getting their second shot from Pfizer, then maybe it is a "reasonable risk".  But, however, if it has been only a week since half or more of staff are only ten days after their first Pfizer shot, then that is a far different situation/challenge.  Silversea needs to share more details, specifics and substance.  Not just the vague . . . sorry, trust us, we are trying, kind of, maybe, hopefully!!??

 

From the Wall Street Journal this afternoon, they had this headline: “Why a Grand Plan to Vaccinate the World Against Covid Unraveled" with this sub-headline: "The multibillion-dollar Covax program was supposed to be a model for vaccinating humanity, but has hit problem after problem.

 

Here are some of their reporting highlights: “This spring, American epidemiologist Seth Berkley had to break some bad news to the world’s poorest countries: millions of Covid-19 vaccine doses promised to them weren’t coming.  The nations were counting on getting shots from Covax—a multibillion-dollar program to immunize the world, led by Dr. Berkley and championed by the World Health Organization. But shipments from Covax’s main supplier in India, where Covid-19 cases were surging, suddenly weren’t coming through.  Tens of millions of hospital workers who had received one dose were unexpectedly no longer scheduled for a second. The prospects for quickly inoculating other front-line workers and vulnerable people were fading fast.  The Covax program, conceived in early 2020 as a kind of Operation Warp Speed for the globe, was supposed to be a model for how to vaccinate humanity. The plan was scheduled to have the developing world’s entire healthcare workforce immunized by now.  Instead, the idealistic undertaking to inoculate nearly a billion people collided with reality, foiled by a basic instinct for nations to put their own populations first, and a shortage of manufacturing capacity around the world.  They spent months trying to recruit much of the world into buying their vaccines from one common pool, rich and poor countries alike. While they were hammering out the details and raising money, nations that could afford it rushed to secure their own shots first.  'I do understand the political reality,' Dr. Berkley said. 'People eventually just gave us money and said, good luck competing against us.'  Most of the world’s poorest nations were left highly dependent on a single vaccine, produced by a single manufacturer in a single country. In a cruel twist, that supplier—the Serum Institute of India—ended up engulfed by the world’s worst Covid-19 outbreak. Some 20 million of Covax’s shots have come from India, which was due to ship 140 million by the end of the month but stopped exporting them as it works to inoculate the country’s 1.3 billion citizens.”

 

Interesting details and background as to why it is going to take much, much longer for the entire world, including many places Silversea cruisers would like to visit in Asia, Africa, etc., to gain the needed Covid vaccine protections.  

 

Full story at:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-a-grand-plan-to-vaccinate-the-world-against-covid-unraveled-covax-11622045728?mod=hp_lead_pos5

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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Early vaccination plans were never even vaguely realistic as they relied on far more efficiency and competence than exists on this planet. 
I think we’re lucky the situation isn’t worse than it is. 
 

And I think SS has done pretty well with it’s crew vaccination efforts in a nearly incomprehensibly difficult environment. 

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4 hours ago, jollyjones said:

Early vaccination plans were never even vaguely realistic as they relied on far more efficiency and competence than exists on this planet. I think we’re lucky the situation isn’t worse than it is.  And I think SS has done pretty well with it’s crew vaccination efforts in a nearly incomprehensibly difficult environment. 

 

Well-summarized comments above from our experienced travel pro in Bermuda.  How well SS has done with vaccinations will be better known once they are up and running in later June and during July as customers report back on the specific feed-back from talking with crew members.  Promises versus performance are two different categories??!! 

 

From the Miami Herald in the heart of the companies in South Florida, they had this headline in the afternoon: Norwegian Cruise Line investors vote against CEO’s $36.4 million pandemic payout with these highlights: “Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings shareholders gave a big thumbs down to the company’s plan to pay its CEO $36.4 million for 2020, double what he made the year before the COVID-19 pandemic shut down the cruise industry.  In a rare rebuke, 83% of shareholders did not approve the company’s executive compensation in a non-binding vote Thursday known as say-on-pay. As part of his $36.4 million payout, the company’s board awarded CEO Frank Del Rio a $2.8 million bonus despite the company’s record $4 billion loss for the year.”

 

WOW!!  How could this CEO justify that big of paycheck with a straight face during this past year.  Maybe he was working from home with many challenges, but most of the cruise line employees around the world were not earning or getting big pay-checks.  

 

Full story at:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article251692728.html

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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