Why I feel August will be the real restart date.

[Charles4515]

 
So it's really not equivalent to talk about reopening on land versus cruising - especially if you are in the more vulnerable categories.
 
Just some food for thought.

I will add to that if we don’t reopen on land and get the economy moving more would eventually die because of that than from the virus. There is a need to reopen on land. There is no need to reopen cruising.


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[seaman11]

16 hours ago, Charles4515 said:

 

I will add to that if we don’t reopen on land and get the economy moving more would eventually die because of that than from the virus. There is a need to reopen on land. There is no need to reopen cruising.


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Cruising is also good for the local economies.  fuel and food purchased by ships bring jobs at the ports, hotels around the area benefit with more ppl booking the day or so  before cruises, restaurants around ports and the port it self hires to process pax boarding and such. 

[Charles4515]

Cruising is also good for the local economies.  fuel and food purchased by ships bring jobs at the ports, hotels around the area benefit with more ppl booking the day or so  before cruises, restaurants around ports and the port it self hires to process pax boarding and such. 

I didn’t say it wasn’t good for parts of the local economies but in the grand scheme of things it is low down. The last thing we want is a second wave. Cruise ships are a danger of transmission. I have written our governor to not to reopen the port of Baltimore this year. I don’t think it will.

Be careful what you wish for. If cruise lines restart too soon which August probably is, and there is a second wave that involves cruise ships like earlier this year, you can kiss cruises goodby for years.


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[seaman11]

5 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

 

I didn’t say it wasn’t good for parts of the local economies but in the grand scheme of things it is low down. The last thing we want is a second wave. Cruise ships are a danger of transmission. I have written our governor to not to reopen the port of Baltimore this year. I don’t think it will.

Be careful what you wish for. If cruise lines restart too soon which August probably is, and there is a second wave that involves cruise ships like earlier this year, you can kiss cruises goodby for years.


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sorry your exact words were "there is no reason to reopen cruising"  so my response was to that.   also lets not act like cruises were a big part of the covid issue, they weren't.  with ncl having only 3 cases on board ships before the shutdown. 

 

 

imagine a cruiser writing to the gov to keep ports closed, as they open bowling alleys,  casinos , parks a beaches later this month.  

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[tallnthensome]

6 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

 

Be careful what you wish for. If cruise lines restart too soon which August probably is, and there is a second wave that involves cruise ships like earlier this year, you can kiss cruises goodby for years.


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^^^^ This is exactly right. The lines should get out of the negative limelight and off of television for a while and err on the side of caution for their long term good. Like Charles said, if they start up again too soon and if there is even one case of Covid19 on board .... you can stick a fork in them. The press would be all over them and potential cruisers would be scared away again ....maybe for good. They should lay low and observe what the next few months brings but in my opinion they’d be smart to wait until the first of the year even as hard as it would be financially. See if they find a vaccine and stay out of the resurgence in the virus that will almost certainly be here again for round two in the fall. 

[seaman11]

Unfortunately many businesses dont have the luxury of putting off opening for another 6 months or year even with the capital to do so.   They are wanting to gwt things going and imo 3 months from niw is plenty of time barring a covid set back. 

[hftmrock]

8 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

Unfortunately many businesses dont have the luxury of putting off opening for another 6 months or year even with the capital to do so.   They are wanting to gwt things going and imo 3 months from niw is plenty of time barring a covid set back. 

and because people are opening too soon according to the CDC, we will probably have a setback so strap in... its going to be a bumpy ride

[seaman11]

18 minutes ago, hftmrock said:

and because people are opening too soon according to the CDC, we will probably have a setback so strap in... its going to be a bumpy ride

I agree that some ppl are not being patient.  They have been arrested for keeping businesses open . instead of waiting till the end of this month (most states)  they are ready to riot and storm the streets if businesses are not open.  This can set us all back. 

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[hftmrock]

2 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

I agree that some ppl are not being patient.  They have been arrested for keeping businesses open . instead of waiting till the end of this month (most states)  they are ready to riot and storm the streets if businesses are not open.  This can set us all back. 

some STATES are not being patient...

[seaman11]

1 minute ago, hftmrock said:

some STATES are not being patient...

Well i agree there is a political agenda for some to rush things.   Yes i want to go cruising but lets be smart about it.  Opening up prematurely could hurt us.   Governer of my area in VA  said 2 more weeks. 

[Paul Bogle]

The virus isn't effecting areas equally. It is a benefit to all of us to have local authorities who understand the situation in their areas make these decisions.

 

We are learning more about how this virus transmits, who is at substantial risk of serious illness and how illness can be mitigated. We cannot stay locked down for a year or more. We have many lessons to learn. Reopening in some jurisdictions is a vital part of that learning.

 

Cruising will still be one of the last large businesses to restart due to the many challenges we have discussed.

[seaman11]

On 5/11/2020 at 3:28 PM, Mrdodgy said:

They have created an illusion to keep your money and you have fallen for it.

 

They are not prepared at all -  HAL who are owned by Carnival group are not sailing and neither will the Carnival ships in August. There is no where to go!! 

Hmmm this casino has opened and bookings at 80 percent full.  

 

 

And those arguing earlier about masks  None required by customers only workers and dealers.  

[JustAPilot]

Seaman is it time to pop that champagne Seems like there's money ready to pour out of people's wallets! Carnival is good to go. 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/cruise-ship-bookings-jump-600percent-as-carnival-reveals-plans-to-resume-trips-in-august/ar-BB142jD9?li=AAggFp5

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[Mrdodgy]

Read the  story

 

600% higher - er yes given this is not the main season for new bookng for August of the same year as most people have already booked so to get to 600% is rather easy to reach if bookings have been closed for months 

 

$28 per night probably has something to do with it 

 

Those making bookings, a Cruise Planners representative told Fast Company, have generally been younger and healthy, and therefore "not a bit concerned about travelling at this time

It states that the people who are booking are fit on healthy... How on earth do they know that oh and look a self interested party who needs bookings making the comment 

 

"Other cruise lines appear to be following a similar timeline, with Disney Cruise Lines showing no cancellations past July 2 and Norwegian Cruise Lines showing cancellations through June 30"

 

Has got its information totally wrong from Disney website "Disney Cruise Line extends suspension of new departures through Monday, July 27, 2020"

 

NCL - can not sail  before 24 July because of CDC

 

Sorry I will keep my champagne on ice at the moment as this journalism is at best fanciful.

[Charles4515]

Read the  story  

600% higher - er yes given this is not the main season for new bookng for August of the same year as most people have already booked so to get to 600% is rather easy to reach if bookings have been closed for months 

 

$28 per night probably has something to do with it 

 

Those making bookings, a Cruise Planners representative told Fast Company, have generally been younger and healthy, and therefore "not a bit concerned about travelling at this time

It states that the people who are booking are fit on healthy... How on earth do they know that oh and look a self interested party who needs bookings making the comment 

 

 

 

 

Carnival is pulling a publicity stunt. Maybe some of those sailings will happen in August if the CDC does not extend its order and those ports allow them, but those are big ifs. The cruise industry is not restarting. The cruise companies are putting their ships into cold layup. Carnival is laying off employees. Does that sound like restarting? They are raising money to ride out not operating for months from big lenders and from keeping as much of consumers money as they can.

 

 

 

 

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[djkolp]

12 hours ago, seaman11 said:

Hmmm this casino has opened and bookings at 80 percent full.  

 

 

And those arguing earlier about masks  None required by customers only workers and dealers.  

The only people gambling in this video are the dealers. Only wearing simple cloth masks? My mask protects you, your mask protects me. Will open casinos become the new meat packing facilities? 

[Charles4515]

NCL has just reported they lost 1.9 billion in the last quarter. More than Wall Street expectations. That does not sound promising....


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[Roger88]

August sounds very promising. I think one of the reason people are so eager to start cruising in August is that companies wont be able to hold on any longer. Both the companies and the government understands it. So I think that starting from August everything will be fine. Will hope and see 

[Mrdodgy]

Well there you go 

 

NCL on their investor call

 

Start Up not before Q4 in all realistic chances 

 

They will only release 5 ships per month released back from Cold lay up and part of the problem is recrewing them.  The argument is over the cruise line have said it in public and applies across the industry - crewing is a major issue so as much as you think it easy its not. 

 

I will keep my champagne in the fridge.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mrdodgy]

1 hour ago, Roger88 said:

August sounds very promising. I think one of the reason people are so eager to start cruising in August is that companies wont be able to hold on any longer. Both the companies and the government understands it. So I think that starting from August everything will be fine. Will hope and see 

Not NCL - just announced!!

[sanger727]

2 hours ago, Roger88 said:

August sounds very promising. I think one of the reason people are so eager to start cruising in August is that companies wont be able to hold on any longer. Both the companies and the government understands it. So I think that starting from August everything will be fine. Will hope and see 

 

You  and Seaman are much more optimistic and Norwegian and Carnival right now. Norwegian's CEO has already said late Q3 to Q4 for a restart and Carnival sent a letter to their employees that a August re-start is very uncertain right now. When they start letting MLB schedule games and kids go back to school I'll bite the bait for Cruises to re-start. 

[Mrdodgy]

2 hours ago, sanger727 said:

 

You  and Seaman are much more optimistic and Norwegian and Carnival right now. Norwegian's CEO has already said late Q3 to Q4 for a restart and Carnival sent a letter to their employees that a August re-start is very uncertain right now. When they start letting MLB schedule games and kids go back to school I'll bite the bait for Cruises to re-start. 

Exactly - as FDR said the industry has been dismantled. I know Carnival will not sail in August but Seaman 11 is taken in by all the fake casino adverts - so be it. Even the industry magazine he seeks to rely on is a paod fro bt the industry .... they are just talking it up. Look at Germany and Spain new lockdowns. Even though FDR says they will not be sailing  until late Q3 or Q4!!!

 

 

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[tallnthensome]

Simply put .....cruisers need to stay put. Until all of this plays out and all the loose ends and obstacles with the virus and the cruise lines business aspects  are addressed and overcome just hold onto your money. All of this false optimism has done is crush some peoples’ hopes and take more money from people with broken promises, speculation, and delay after delay .... This ships aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. The lines could tell some people directly to their faces “we aren’t sailing this year” and some would still insist they will .....

[JustAPilot]

It's interesting to note though that the demand for cruising is still there. Younger people have disposable money to spend on vacations this year and are not afraid to get on a ship. Looks like it's the government so far holding the barricades down. 

[Charles4515]

It's interesting to note though that the demand for cruising is still there. Younger people have disposable money to spend on vacations this year and are not afraid to get on a ship. Looks like it's the government so far holding the barricades down. 

The cruise lines want us to believe that. Given their history I am skeptical. Also with 35 million and growing unemployed I think disposable income is shrinking.


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