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An excellent article about CV19 transmission by an immunologist.


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Some interesting points....seems like escaping exposure to this virus 100 %  is not a realistic expectation,   even for those of us who are basically limiting  outside trips to the grocers,  drug store and post ofc.   And,  especially if we  are visited by family members from time to time like  on Mother's Day!

 

All we can really  do is try our best!

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I'd seen this article elsewhere.

It really does summarize a good deal of the issues that we are and will need to deal with.

Especially the sections on indoor transmissions since this is a site related to cruising.  Much indoors.

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Great article. Certainly makes one reflect on the actions being taken across the world.

I made a comment about curling being a sport that could resume.  Guess I was wrong.  The restaurant example is dang scary.

Am stuck in Arizona.  Dry and 100 and no sign of the virus slowing.  Sit down restaurants open in "limited" seating.  Think we will continue to cook at home.

Thank you to the OP.  Probably need to simply refer about 2/3 of the threads to this article.

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6 hours ago, Photo_Traveler said:

Knowing this information will help our decisions on our cruises as well as at cruise ports and attractions.  It is well researched and well written.  

 

https://erinbromage.wixsite.com/covid19/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them  


This is pretty much following the experience in Australia but add in to our mix, the impact of Cruise ships. 
 

In our state we haven't had a positive infection for 19 days, and in Australia overall just 11 infections overall. So our emergence is already happening. Interesting times. 

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30 minutes ago, az_tchr said:

Great article. Certainly makes one reflect on the actions being taken across the world.

I made a comment about curling being a sport that could resume.  Guess I was wrong.  The restaurant example is dang scary.

Am stuck in Arizona.  Dry and 100 and no sign of the virus slowing.  Sit down restaurants open in "limited" seating.  Think we will continue to cook at home.

Thank you to the OP.  Probably need to simply refer about 2/3 of the threads to this article.

 

I was a little scared to open the article, but he did a really good job.

 

The sunbelt problem will likely be indoors. Turn the AC on, and create a totally different microclimate than outside. Cool(ish), somewhat humid, and indoor lighting. Kind of like the interior of a cruise ship...

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6 hours ago, Georgia_Peaches said:

The virus vs the economy is Such a chicken and egg scenario. Which comes first?

 

It's a false dichotomy.  Estimates from economists are that people value their own lives at ~$10 mil.  There is no way society would accept the mortality and continue living "normally."  Even if there wasn't a lockdown there would end up with tons of deaths and the voluntary collapse of the economy.

 

By almost all economic measures, effective lockdown and then continued surveillance is by far the best thing for the economy. 

 

But we failed at the first one and are giving up basically.

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9 minutes ago, UnorigionalName said:

 

It's a false dichotomy.  Estimates from economists are that people value their own lives at ~$10 mil.  There is no way society would accept the mortality and continue living "normally."  Even if there wasn't a lockdown there would end up with tons of deaths and the voluntary collapse of the economy.

 

By almost all economic measures, effective lockdown and then continued surveillance is by far the best thing for the economy. 

 

But we failed at the first one and are giving up basically.

Respectfully, I disagree.  Stay well, my friend.

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7 hours ago, Photo_Traveler said:

Knowing this information will help our decisions on our cruises as well as at cruise ports and attractions.  It is well researched and well written.  

 

https://erinbromage.wixsite.com/covid19/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them  

A very interesting article.  Thanks for sharing.  I always thought that when out walking in the neighbourhood and people feel you need to cross the street instead of simply passing someone walking in the opposite direction on the sidewalk was a bit much.  Good to know...get in the grocery store, grab your stuff, get out in under an hour, mission accomplished (relatively safely)

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Since I used to work in the medical field for many years, I have been following the studies and findings via scientific literature for quite a while already and this article summarizes some of it in comprehensible terms.

Whenever I read FB posts or posts here about what seems to be the main and only concern of some, the buffet restaurant, I have to shake my head in disbelief. For all that´s known, the risk of contact contamination with Covid-19 is low compared to the known cruise plaques like Noro. (Low, not non existing!) However, the same people who write about planning never to go to the buffet any more, don´t worry about the main dining room, bars, casino or, even worse, the shows. An enclosed space with a few hundred people laughing, singing, coughing, breathing... the all the basic ways of spreading viral droplets, while others inhale and expose themselves to it for 45 minutes or more.

I wish more people would look at the scientific backgrounds and adapt them to a day on a cruise. Unfortunately the result makes cruising unlikely in the near future.

 

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Very good article. Thanks. After reading it I do worry about my daughter going back to her first grade class in the Fall. 22 kids, without the best hygenie practices, in a rather small room with less than stellar ventilation for 5 or 6 hours, 5 days a week. 
 

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Good summary article.  If we could finally get past the hysteria and politics and media misinformation and understand basic scientific principles (like in this article) we could all focus on what to do to avoid our own exposure and avoid exposing others.  This article lays out the impact of virus dose (infectious viral particles) on infection in a matter of fact way.  And how infectious virus is carried in the air.  Just talking and breathing in close indoor quarters with the right viral dose will do it.  

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42 minutes ago, Photo_Traveler said:

Thanks to everyone for their input. The article was one of the best I've read.... No finger pointing, innuendo or unnecessary hysteria… Just Science providing us useful information.   

Yes thank you.  Stay well.  I was actually a bit surprised in that Idaho had more cases and deaths than I expected.

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1 hour ago, TeeRick said:

Yes thank you.  Stay well.  I was actually a bit surprised in that Idaho had more cases and deaths than I expected.

Yep, It was odd. The virus seemed to first explode in sparsely populated Blaine County (Home to Sun Valley and Ketchum during ski season). The Blaine County virus was also traced to people who attended a conference in New York.  But, they likely came through Boise airport.      

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Thank you. An informative, science, and fact-based article with plenty of implications for cruisers. While I was reading the part about the restaurant, I couldn’t help but think about the MDR with lengthy dinners in very close quarters.

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20 hours ago, scrapcreator said:

Thank you. An informative, science, and fact-based article with plenty of implications for cruisers. While I was reading the part about the restaurant, I couldn’t help but think about the MDR with lengthy dinners in very close quarters.

You're Welcome!   I was thinking of the interconnected AC between sets of cabins.    I'll be back (to crusing) as soon as there is a vaccine and/or an effective therapy for CV19.  Until then, I support one hundred percent testing of everyone on the ship before boarding and avoidance of ports with active cases of the virus.  

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