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Sad news , but for folks that want to cruise in the future it’s a very Necessary  move.. while this reduction is aimed out perhaps support staff , sales ..  whatever.. this is happening throughout the supply chain in every industry , cruising is not the exception although like any travel /entertainment they are hit extra hard.

I believe this virus/pandemic will have lasting effects . The successful lines , hotels, air carriers will innovate and change with it , the ones who don’t will go by the wayside . 
I don’t think the way to get x amount of dollars per pax In the past  will cut it in the future ..will take a different approach from the sale of the cruise thru debark..  it could be ultimately a exciting time for something new and different ..  

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5 hours ago, shipbound2 said:

I read that the CEO took a 50% pay reduction other senior management also took pay reductions. I with all this happening it looks like they're getting ready for further sailing delays probably the rest of 2020 because if the ships sail again August 1,  2020 and people get sick or worse it will crush the company. What do you think?


This will be a frustrating response, but ... look to the virus for that answer.

If it goes away, cruise ships sail - transcons and long-haul international flights resume, hotels & resorts reopen. As long as the virus remains unchecked, don't bank on anything to be back to anything like normal. A lot of folks think "reopening" means going back to pre-February life or close .... not going to be so.

Since the cruise lines have stacked up such a hideous track record and are now truly under the CDC microscope, you've got to put yourself in the position of general counsel at the CCL boardroom. The senior execs haved called everyone together to discuss what to do.
      "Let's sail right away - for God's sake, we need the money now" cry the marketing director, the sales managers, the financial team.  
      But as the head of the legal staff that must defend the ultimate results, what are you going say? "Sure, I'll sign off on that. What could go wrong?"  I think not.
      And if Donald and Duffy choose to overrule you, what is the first thing you do? 
      a) head home to the liquor cabinet forthwith;
      b) start hiring more associates 'cuz the fresh litigation will soon be coming by the FedEx truckload;
      c) call your broker to flush CCL far, far from your portfolio

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18 hours ago, Radiioman46 said:

Who thinks that the CDC is NOT going to extend their "Do Not Sail" order? The aggressive impossible to meet "conditions thrust upon the cruise industry" is why these companies are struggling for their very existence. 

 

It's the CDC that should be going out of business and announcing layoffs, not the cruise lines. 

I’m glad the CDC exists and they are monitoring the cruise industry.

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2 hours ago, EscapeFromConnecticut said:


You earn a hearty "Amen!" for that. 

No matter what the CDC says it is still up to the individual to make a  choice whether to go on cruise or not. Do I want to cruise if I have to wear a mask ,because of social distancing can not talk to people go to the casino, to a show  or even dance that would not be a fun cruise for me. People are smart enough to know what is in their best interest and the people around them hopefully they don't the CDC to tell them what to do.

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1 hour ago, shipbound2 said:

No matter what the CDC says it is still up to the individual to make a  choice whether to go on cruise or not. Do I want to cruise if I have to wear a mask ,because of social distancing can not talk to people go to the casino, to a show  or even dance that would not be a fun cruise for me. People are smart enough to know what is in their best interest and the people around them hopefully they don't the CDC to tell them what to do.

Sometimes the CDC comes across over the top, But you are correct, the final arbiter are the cruisers making their decisions to cruise.   

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On 5/15/2020 at 5:05 PM, BlerkOne said:

 

At a minimum, all Americans are entitled to protection. It is We the People, not We the Fortunate Ones. Don't blame the victims.

 

It will be years before long term impact of the virus on survivors will be known.

 

If the world was prepared for a pandemic, much of the shutdown could have been avoided. When a pandemic is allowed to get out of control, drastic measures are required. When the world reopens, if not prepared for the second and future waves, it will need to be shutdown time and again.

 

 

And who is forcing anyone to leave their homes?

 

I keep hearing that if Ieave my home, my grandparents will die. First, that is not a guarantee, not even close. Secondly, if they are high risk, why can't they quarantine?

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5 minutes ago, Joebucks said:

 

And who is forcing anyone to leave their homes?

 

I keep hearing that if Ieave my home, my grandparents will die. First, that is not a guarantee, not even close. Secondly, if they are high risk, why can't they quarantine?

 

Nursing homes are one of the most dangerous places. and then there is the Constitution and certain inalienable rights.

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On 5/14/2020 at 8:34 AM, Joebucks said:

Such a shame. If we keep putting too much focus only on health and ignoring the economy, this stuff will only get worse

Well said, a depression will be way more dangerous and deadly then this virus.

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49 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

 

Nursing homes are one of the most dangerous places. and then there is the Constitution and certain inalienable rights.

There has been a particularly horrendous job protecting those in nursing homes, and maybe some governors need a reminder about the constitution.  All this said, we are wandering afar from layoffs.

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2 hours ago, shipbound2 said:

People are smart enough to know what is in their best interest 


Hee hee.

 

Spend half a week with going through the files of the fraud unit at any bit-city police department ... then come back and repeat that punchline, but bring along a laugh track this time. 
 

Regulators exist for a reason. History proves that again. And again. And Again. 
 

No doubt the CDC is imperfect. But the wise man will trust it before Duffy, Arison or the CLIA crew. 

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34 minutes ago, EscapeFromConnecticut said:


Hee hee.

 

Spend half a week with going through the files of the fraud unit at any bit-city police department ... then come back and repeat that punchline, but bring along a laugh track this time. 
 

Regulators exist for a reason. History proves that again. And again. And Again. 
 

No doubt the CDC is imperfect. But the wise man will trust it before Duffy, Arison or the CLIA crew. 

Regulators exist to support not dominate, they are supposed to work with, not dictate to, that is what hisroy tells us....and common sense.  When one takes on an oligarchy role, it speaks volumes.

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20 hours ago, EscapeFromConnecticut said:

 

Still waiting for a good analysis of that. Seabourn got through the March/April debacle with its rep largely unscathed ... but Swartz and her minions made Princess the poster child for catastrophic mismanagement during a pandemic. Arnold and Duffy have been barnacles, too. That's the crew that should've gotten the gate.

Swartz is a serial magic piper. Blowing hearts and kisses to the peeps dying on her ship was tone-deaf and a total lack of self awareness. 

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7 minutes ago, Thorncroft said:

Swartz is a serial magic piper. Blowing hearts and kisses to the peeps dying on her ship was tone-deaf and a total lack of self awareness. 


True, I remember seeing that video clip at the time. 
 

Will hope the lawsuits eventually reveal precisely why that line went so deeply south so very quickly. (And predictably, we'll then see the usual posters insisting the lawsuits were baseless, the judges were biased, the depositions were doctored, the witnesses were just bashers ... blah blah blah. We can pretty much write their lines for them, eh?)

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12 minutes ago, EscapeFromConnecticut said:

Will hope the lawsuits eventually reveal precisely why that line went so deeply south so very quickly. (And predictably, we'll then see the usual posters insisting the lawsuits were baseless, the judges were biased, the depositions were doctored, the witnesses were just bashers ... blah blah blah. We can pretty much write their lines for them, eh?)

 

Any lawsuits will likely be highly scripted. They are probably looking for writers.

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2 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

 . . . .   All this said, we are wandering afar from layoffs.

 

Ya think???  🤔 🤔 😊

 

Probably because that/this subject was initially simply stated, backed up with facts, and offered minimal opportunity for anyone to criticize the sincere empathy shared by other members regarding front-line shoreside team members. 

That is indeed rare.  In fact, I'm not even certain it's allowed here on Cruise Critic😲

 

Regarding the unfortunate thinning of some shoreside personnel, I have to assume (and I have zero facts to base it on) that any of the post-sales teams would be the most impacted . . . such as those handling Early Saver adjustments, investor onboard credits, and those processing guest letters, etc.

 

I feel quite fortunate that my own personal vacation planner is still "in the saddle", and doing an always amazing job of taking care of his clients and friends.  It has been tough for them, and now even more so having lost some great long-time fellow team members.  Burnout is hard to overcome.

 

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48 minutes ago, DGP1111 said:

 

Ya think???  🤔 🤔 😊

 

Probably because that/this subject was initially simply stated, backed up with facts, and offered minimal opportunity for anyone to criticize the sincere empathy shared by other members regarding front-line shoreside team members. 

That is indeed rare.  In fact, I'm not even certain it's allowed here on Cruise Critic😲

 

Regarding the unfortunate thinning of some shoreside personnel, I have to assume (and I have zero facts to base it on) that any of the post-sales teams would be the most impacted . . . such as those handling Early Saver adjustments, investor onboard credits, and those processing guest letters, etc.

 

I feel quite fortunate that my own personal vacation planner is still "in the saddle", and doing an always amazing job of taking care of his clients and friends.  It has been tough for them, and now even more so having lost some great long-time fellow team members.  Burnout is hard to overcome.

 

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I think it was fairly pervasive across all departments, including some that you mention.  I talked with both released employees and those still there, and had tearful conversations with both, not a good time for Carnival, or the industry.  These people worked hard and played hard, part of what makes this organization special.  You should be happy your PVP is still there...#Carnival Family.

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18 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

 

Nursing homes are one of the most dangerous places. and then there is the Constitution and certain inalienable rights.

 

Where are those "inalienable rights" that say all of this? Be prepared for whatever you quote, to explain what the cutoff is.

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On 5/14/2020 at 7:47 AM, EscapeFromConnecticut said:

 

Terrible day for the hard-working employees who've done nothing wrong.

But it's also another missed opportunity for corporate to clean house. Security should have been carrying Duffy's boxes out the door today, and Donald's interview should have been done on the sidewalk. 

 

I don't know all the history here corporation wise....what is wrong with Duffy's leadership?

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41 minutes ago, 1city@atime said:

 

I don't know all the history here corporation wise....what is wrong with Duffy's leadership?

 

Absolutely nothing. I've cruised with her before. No complaints.

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2 hours ago, 1city@atime said:

 

I don't know all the history here corporation wise....what is wrong with Duffy's leadership?

Christine Duffy has had a pretty storied career from humble beginnings to becoming President of CCL.  Prior to that she was president of CLIA, the primary organization that supports the entire industry.  There is nothing wrong with her leadership, the poster has posted and maligned much, everybody is on the cross hairs.  Here is a link you can research more and see for yourself.  

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Duffy 

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