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2 minutes ago, HBCcruiser said:

On another note, the large resorts in Las Vegas are planning to open up in June. It will be interesting to watch how things go once they open. I wonder if cruise lines will implement similar “Safety Plans”. 
https://www.mgmresorts.com/content/dam/MGM/corporate/corporate-initiatives/safely/seven-point-safety-plan.pdf

I am sure this will be a starting point for cruises... they will need to implement most/all of these PLUS many many many many more

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2 hours ago, Markanddonna said:

The Spanish Flu was called that because Spain was the most affected country....

 

That makes sense, on that basis the current pandemic should now be called the USA Virus....sorted! 

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36 minutes ago, hamrag said:

 

That makes sense, on that basis the current pandemic should now be called the USA Virus....sorted! 

Of course, we may be just at the beginning or middle of this pandemic with South America and Africa being the new hot spots. They are just entering their winter season next month. The USA probably "over reports" their numbers (if you die in a car accident and have the virus, you are in the national count) and many parts of the world severely underreport, not for malicious reasons, but reporting varies wildly. The CDC is now including anyone who has recovered but previously infected as a new COVID 19 case. Dr. Byrx has commented that this is very wrong and the CDC blames it on their "fatigue." 

 

You can't compare USA numbers to second and third world nations.  Maybe in Europe, but nowhere else.

 

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2 hours ago, hftmrock said:

im really not sure if you are serious or not. it was not named after a business. it stands for COrona VIrus Disease (COVID). the 19 is the year it was found.

yes the only question is was it intentional to call it that. (anti business and anti faith).  Once someone realized that the made up word used  to describe the modern plague was bigoted and anti-business it should have been called something else.  (and dont call it corona either, what right does anyone have to offend beer drinkers)

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1 hour ago, hamrag said:

 

That makes sense, on that basis the current pandemic should now be called the USA Virus....sorted! 

If you have strong evidence to suggest (like doctors made to recant statements so they would not be arrested, lab samples destroyed, information not decimated in a timely manner, stating that the virus does not travel human to human) that it came from a wet market in the usa, or a virology lab in the usa, or a weapons lab in the usa, or the  cdc in the usa, then OF COURSE by all means call it the usa virus until proven otherwise.  We concur

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4 hours ago, Markanddonna said:

The Spanish Flu was called that because Spain was the most affected country. It is perhaps the one pandemic that was incorrectly named. I believe "Wuhan" Flu is a more accurate name rather than the "Chinese Flu."

 

I'm not sure Spain was the most affected though it suffered greatly. My understanding is that when the outbreak occurred in early 2018 the belligerent states, Germany, Italy, France, USA etc censored reporting of the flu impact in their countries and among their soldiers. Spain was a neutral country and the press was free to report on the outbreak there.

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5 minutes ago, Newleno said:

If you have strong evidence to suggest....that it came from a wet market in the usa, or a virology lab in the usa, or a weapons lab in the usa, or the  cdc in the usa, then OF COURSE by all means call it the usa virus until proven otherwise...

 

You have overlooked the reason I made the suggestion, which ought now to become clear to you if you read all of the appropriate  quotes!! 🤔

 

4 hours ago, Markanddonna said:

The Spanish Flu was called that because Spain was the most affected country...

 

2 hours ago, hamrag said:

 

That makes sense, on that basis the current pandemic should now be called the USA Virus....sorted! 

 

Is it clear to you now? 😉

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ok,you all can throw rocks at me if you want, but (1) it seems we are way, way off the topic (2) whatever you choose to call this, it doesnt matter where it came from, we're all in this crisis together  (3) it's world wide (4) lets not lose sight of the fact that there are over 1,000,000 million cases worldwide, and almost 100,000 u.s. deaths alone.  One of those 100,000 could have been one of us or a loved one (5)  To quote Rodney King after he was beaten and the los angeles riots began again, "cant we all just get along"?

 

what the virus is called and where it came from is completely and totally irrelevant. Lets all try and work together so we can get back to the original topic, lets go on a cruise. Hopefully, I'll see you on the dawn dec 1st

 

be well, stay safe and in the immortal works of Mr Spock: "live long and prosper"

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1 hour ago, Newleno said:

If you have strong evidence to suggest (like doctors made to recant statements so they would not be arrested, lab samples destroyed, information not decimated in a timely manner, stating that the virus does not travel human to human) that it came from a wet market in the usa, or a virology lab in the usa, or a weapons lab in the usa, or the  cdc in the usa, then OF COURSE by all means call it the usa virus until proven otherwise.  We concur

none of those things applied to the spanish flu

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10 minutes ago, hftmrock said:

none of those things applied to the spanish flu

 

Both pandemics share censorship as a factor in how we speak about them albeit in different ways. No one disputes the virus originated in Wuhan. 

 

My grandson call it the "Boomer Remover" virus. He is on to something.

 

To hamrag, call it the USA virus if you like. It bothers me naught. Perhaps calling it the Scottish Killer might be more accurate as the death rate in Scotland is 30% higher than in the USA.

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3 hours ago, HBCcruiser said:

On another note, the large resorts in Las Vegas are planning to open up in June. It will be interesting to watch how things go once they open. I wonder if cruise lines will implement similar “Safety Plans”. 
https://www.mgmresorts.com/content/dam/MGM/corporate/corporate-initiatives/safely/seven-point-safety-plan.pdf

 

This is part of what every organization is going to be doing and some aspects will likely remain in place FOREVER.

 

Things like temperature checks, pexiglass spacing, no self serve buffets, disposable menus etc. etc. the list is long will all likely be permanent.

 

I can see the social distancing, and masks at some time may be relaxed, but the good, there won't be shaming for people who choose to wear mask, except maybe in the US, how sad.

 

We can't stay in lockdown till a vaccine or herd immunity occurs.  We need to acknowledge that we flattened the curve and avoided the overwhelming of medical folks, now we need to pen up smartly while business implement safe guards and people need to have empathy and decency to care enough for their fellow human and behave smartly and safely

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7 minutes ago, chipmaster said:

I can see the social distancing, and masks at some time may be relaxed, but the good, there won't be shaming for people who choose to wear mask, except maybe in the US, how sad

The only shaming should be for the disgusting pigs who refuse to wear a mask. 

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Land-based casino-resorts/hotel pandemic & reopening safety plans are good, and, they will be reviewed and approved by the state/county/local public health authorities that regulate them.  I believed that their gaming commissions are going to have a say in giving thumbs up or down.  That is, assuming their insurance underwriting will not blink.  

 

For the cruise industry, CDC is definitely going to walk that line with a big stick - but will other countries follow and/or also look at WHO for guidance ?  What about SOLAS and the industry's underwriters ... I dunno, just raising more questions than answers.  

 

If the best, premium, all-inclusive umbrella travel-medical-evac-umbrella policies for cruise passengers opt to exclude and limit their coverage & liabilities - then, be prepared to go "self-insured" and it might not be as similar as just signing off a # of waivers, declarations, including universal/global DNR and healthcare proxies & advance directives.  

 

Can/will the cruise lines safely reopen the kids corner, teen clubs and onboard spa and screen for those infected but asymptomatic ? 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/24/us/missouri-hairstylists-coronavirus-clients-trnd/index.html 

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1 hour ago, PortFees45 said:

The only shaming should be for the disgusting pigs who refuse to wear a mask. 

Your continual degrading of society and your political views puts you in the category with Samann11.

You need attention and self-absorbed along with Seamann11.

You are calling me a disgusting PIG?  What is wrong with you?  Down boy....

PortFees45...you have serious issues and this political post should be removed...

 

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4 hours ago, Paul Bogle said:

 

I'm not sure Spain was the most affected though it suffered greatly. My understanding is that when the outbreak occurred in early 2018 the belligerent states, Germany, Italy, France, USA etc censored reporting of the flu impact in their countries and among their soldiers. Spain was a neutral country and the press was free to report on the outbreak there.

Hi Paul that statement seems to be the correct reason for naming the 1918 Pandemic "the Spanish Flu".  Hopefully, we are coming out of this one soon

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9 hours ago, BirdTravels said:

It is not racist, it identifies the location of source of the virus, like it or not. It does not discriminate against the Chinese. It does not show prejudice against the Chinese. It does not show superiority over the Chinese. It merely identifies the location where the virus originated.


There is an official scientific name for it. That is what grown up people use. And you could ask people who look asian how the public reaction to them, the xenophobia and hate crimes have developed over the last months. But why should you care...

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1 hour ago, OceanBlueWaters said:

Your continual degrading of society and your political views puts you in the category with Samann11.

You need attention and self-absorbed along with Seamann11.

You are calling me a disgusting PIG?  What is wrong with you?  Down boy....

PortFees45...you have serious issues and this political post should be removed...

 

Anyone who refuses to wear a mask does not belong in polite society and deserves the degradation. 

 

How can you POSSIBLY defend such selfish behavior? What part of "IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU" don't you understand? You wear a mask to protect OTHER PEOPLE from a disease you may not even know you are spreading. It takes practically ZERO effort. I'd say the question is, what is wrong with YOU?

 

Saying people should wear a mask is NOT a political view. It's a scientific view. 

 

I don't know whether I'm calling you a disgusting pig or not. Whether or not you think it's responsible to wear a mask in public places will answer that question. 

 

 

Edited by PortFees45

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4 minutes ago, PortFees45 said:

Saying people should wear a mask is NOT a political view. It's a scientific view. 

Not everyone can tell the difference.

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10 hours ago, Markanddonna said:

The Spanish Flu was called that because Spain was the most affected country.

I'm just curious...what sources of information did you consult before making a declarative statement like that with such confidence? Or is it merely something you "felt" to be true? 

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3 minutes ago, mugtech said:

Not everyone can tell the difference.

Seriously. Look at how triggered this person is. "Down boy." Merely because I say it's disgusting not to think of the safety and welfare of your neighbors and fellow citizens. Since when is being a decent human being political? I guess in 2020 America, it is. 

 

It'd be one thing if someone simply had the stones to say, "I'm living my own life, I don't care how my actions impact others, and if someone gets sick because of me that's just too bad - my preference for not wearing a mask outweighs their safety" I could grudgingly respect that, in a weird way. It's the people who try to couch their refusal to wear a mask in some kind of noble, freedom-based language that disgusts me, and is deserving of scorn. 

Edited by PortFees45

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1 hour ago, OceanBlueWaters said:

Your continual degrading of society and your political views puts you in the category with Samann11.

You need attention and self-absorbed along with Seamann11.

You are calling me a disgusting PIG?  What is wrong with you?  Down boy....

PortFees45...you have serious issues and this political post should be removed...

 

Why are you putting me in it?  Maybe port called it right with you. You also arent man enough to admit when you are wrong. So there is that.  

Edited by seaman11

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3 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

 Sobthere is that.  

Might want to try another edit.

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4 hours ago, complawyer said:

ok,you all can throw rocks at me if you want, but (1) it seems we are way, way off the topic (2) whatever you choose to call this, it doesnt matter where it came from, we're all in this crisis together 

Well it does matter to find out how and where it originated so that we together can find ways to ensure it does not happen again.   

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18 minutes ago, mugtech said:

Might want to try another edit.

how would you like your crow served? 

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