Will Florida cruises start back up in August?

[time4u2go]

31 minutes ago, Bobal said:

 

But surely it's irrelevant how clean a ship is or whatever measures are in place, all you need are several infected and incautious/uncaring people boarding that ship to make those measures pointless 

I was thinking the same thing.

[graphicguy]

33 minutes ago, Bobal said:

 

But surely it's irrelevant how clean a ship is or whatever measures are in place, all you need are several infected and incautious/uncaring people boarding that ship to make those measures pointless 

I believe that's where the increased temps and crew/passenger washing comes into play.   They're not going to let you board if there's a hint you're sick.....with ANYTHING!  They'll screen everyone.  If they're able to pull off playing "healthy", then the temp readings will be another gate that someone has to enter.  Just like you can't totally eliminate all forms of viruses on a ship (or on land, for that matter), they can reduce probabilities of infections to the point where it would be highly, highly unlikely you'd have an infection on board.  

 

You'll never be able to say there will never be a COVID 19 case on a cruise ship (same as on land), but you can strictly limit how it might/if it might, be brought on board.

[zalusky]

IMHO the temperature scanning only catches the people who are actively infected and most of those people already know it and probably aren't going anyway.  Not that they shouldn't scan for temps but the problem is the asymptomatic people who can easily spread it.

 

How do you catch those?   

[time4u2go]

48 minutes ago, graphicguy said:

I believe that's where the increased temps and crew/passenger washing comes into play.   They're not going to let you board if there's a hint you're sick.....with ANYTHING!  They'll screen everyone.  If they're able to pull off playing "healthy", then the temp readings will be another gate that someone has to enter.  Just like you can't totally eliminate all forms of viruses on a ship (or on land, for that matter), they can reduce probabilities of infections to the point where it would be highly, highly unlikely you'd have an infection on board.  

 

You'll never be able to say there will never be a COVID 19 case on a cruise ship (same as on land), but you can strictly limit how it might/if it might, be brought on board.

Are you proposing that they would screen everyone at every port? Obviously someone could pick up the virus at any port. 

Edited June 12, 2020 by time4u2go

[Oxo]

1 hour ago, molly361 said:

1900 new cases in Florida today, 1700 yesterday.  Going in the wrong direction

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[Midwestgal]

I’m willing to bet there will be no cruises the end of October and after hurricane season....just my opinion

[firefly333]

1 hour ago, Midwestgal said:

I’m willing to bet there will be no cruises the end of October and after hurricane season....just my opinion

I got one early oct I am hoping to take. 

 

But getting a bit worried with the news of late.

[ONECRUISER]

4 hours ago, atricks said:

A fairly recent change for Florida results is that they are including positive antibody results as "new cases".  Not sure if that matters too much overall, but it does mean that some folks likely had and recovered from the virus (perhaps without really knowing it).

 

Agree, with these added to totals, opening of States and 10 times Testing over short time ago Increases are/were expected... Multiple Sandals Resort's are Opened, not a Cruise but can get good Food and a View

Edited June 12, 2020 by ONECRUISER

[time4u2go]

7 minutes ago, ONECRUISER said:

Agree, with these added to totals, opening of States and 10 times Testing of short time ago Increases are/were expected...

The interesting thing is that there are also states that have increased testing yet have lower positive cases

Edited June 12, 2020 by time4u2go

[ONECRUISER]

22 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

The interesting thing is that there are states that have also increased testing yet have lower positive cases

Some, not all. AZ as one, lot more testing but increases in Nursing Homes and Native American Population sadly are many of increases. One point was one of lowest per capita tested, most of totals are last few weeks. One other area increase as States open thousands are not getting previously postponed Surgeries, Testing for CV required, where many would never had symptoms or been tested otherwise

Edited June 12, 2020 by ONECRUISER

[firefly333]

It's the daily record hospitalization rate day after day that I was talking about. 

 

More tests more positives sure but that doesn't explain away record hospitalized. Houston was even discussing another shutdown. We hit texas records last 3 days. Think we set a weekly death record. Hard to spin that away.

[MrCoachRentz]

Of course infections are going to rise, we are no longer in "lockdown".  It's normal and healthy, actually.  We need to get more exposure to increase immunity.  The whole point was to manage it so our healthcare system could handle the sick.  Cruise ships are going to sail as soon as they can or they'll go under.  People have to make the decision whether or not they are willing to risk cruising.  We are booked on Harmony 8/2.  I feel comfortable going, especially if they limit capacity on board.  

[time4u2go]

5 minutes ago, MrCoachRentz said:

Of course infections are going to rise, we are no longer in "lockdown".  It's normal and healthy, actually.  We need to get more exposure to increase immunity.  The whole point was to manage it so our healthcare system could handle the sick.  Cruise ships are going to sail as soon as they can or they'll go under.  People have to make the decision whether or not they are willing to risk cruising.  We are booked on Harmony 8/2.  I feel comfortable going, especially if they limit capacity on board.  

I didn't think it was known whether exposure to this virus results in immunity. Have you seen something indicating that it is?

Edited June 13, 2020 by time4u2go

[njkruzer]

14 minutes ago, MrCoachRentz said:

Of course infections are going to rise, we are no longer in "lockdown".  It's normal and healthy, actually.  We need to get more exposure to increase immunity.  The whole point was to manage it so our healthcare system could handle the sick.  Cruise ships are going to sail as soon as they can or they'll go under.  People have to make the decision whether or not they are willing to risk cruising.  We are booked on Harmony 8/2.  I feel comfortable going, especially if they limit capacity on board.  

I hope you are right but the Nashville Symphony just furloughed the orchestra until July 31, 2021 and cancelled the upcoming season.  Their losses are huge.  While they'd like me to donate what I spent on the new subscription and the cost for the missed concerts in April and May, we will request a full refund and file a dispute with. Credit card company. 

[John&LaLa]

30 minutes ago, MrCoachRentz said:

Of course infections are going to rise, we are no longer in "lockdown".  It's normal and healthy, actually.  We need to get more exposure to increase immunity.  The whole point was to manage it so our healthcare system could handle the sick.  Cruise ships are going to sail as soon as they can or they'll go under.  People have to make the decision whether or not they are willing to risk cruising.  We are booked on Harmony 8/2.  I feel comfortable going, especially if they limit capacity on board.  

 

How will you feel if your cabin space gets 'limited'😉

[mugtech]

9 minutes ago, njkruzer said:

I hope you are right but the Nashville Symphony just furloughed the orchestra until July 31, 2021 and cancelled the upcoming season.  Their losses are huge.  While they'd like me to donate what I spent on the new subscription and the cost for the missed concerts in April and May, we will request a full refund and file a dispute with. Credit card company. 

Perhaps they could book the Nashville Symphony on a cruise ship.  Play a lot of Aaron Copeland and some Moody Blues.

[njkruzer]

2 minutes ago, mugtech said:

Perhaps they could book the Nashville Symphony on a cruise ship.  Play a lot of Aaron Copeland and some Moody Blues.

Sounds like a plan.  Had the Davidson college orchestra on the Oasis last year!

[badvector]

39 minutes ago, MrCoachRentz said:

 Cruise ships are going to sail as soon as they can or they'll go under.  People have to make the decision whether or not they are willing to risk cruising.  We are booked on Harmony 8/2.  I feel comfortable going, especially if they limit capacity on board.  

 

Cruise lines are walking a thin line.  If they sail too soon and people get sick they will be crushed by the press and the CDC will be all over it.  They have as much, if not more to lose by sailing too soon. I will be surprised to see any cruising before October/November at the earliest.  If they do sail before then, I hope everything goes well as I'm looking forward to sailing as well.  Theme parks, casinos and airports won't be scrutinized like the cruise industry is so I don't think they have the same level of concern.  If you get sick on a ship, you're stuck on the ship and it's immediately blamed on the cruise line and the "human petri dish" that the press has created. If you get sick at Disney,  you're just another number in a daily report.  Not trying to be a downer or naysayer but there is a reason RC issued another 2+ billion in bonds.

Edited June 13, 2020 by badvector
corrected spelling mistake

[A&L_Ont]

2 hours ago, Midwestgal said:

I’m willing to bet there will be no cruises the end of October and after hurricane season....just my opinion

We preemptively cancelled our October cruise and are keeping an eye on our January cruise. If it is still looking uncertain for our final payment then we might cancel that and book a land trip in January last minute. 

 

1 hour ago, ONECRUISER said:

Multiple Sandals Resort's are Opened, not a Cruise but can get good Food and a View

I am a FB member of 4 different FB pages, for different Sandals that we have been too.  There is a lady doing daily posts from Antigua and the resort is at 30% capacity. She and her husband were the first guests on site since the resort closed.  
 

She said the airport COVID testing took them an hour and they were the only plane that arrived at that time.  She suspected those in the last rows of the plane might have been 2-3 hours to be processed.  Masks are being worn by guests at the resort at specific times as well as staff.  Spacial separation is being practiced and pool games are not the same as in the past. She said it is great to get away but patience is important and it is not the same as prior visits.

[firefly333]

32 minutes ago, A&L_Ont said:

We preemptively cancelled our October cruise and are keeping an eye on our January cruise. If it is still looking uncertain for our final payment then we might cancel that and book a land trip in January last minute. 
 

She said the airport COVID testing took them an hour and they were the only plane that arrived at that time.  She suspected those in the last rows of the plane might have been 2-3 hours to be processed.  Masks are being worn by guests at the resort at specific times as well as staff.  Spacial separation is being practiced and pool games are not the same as in the past. She said it is great to get away but patience is important and it is not the same as prior visits.

I'm the opposite, I'm booked Oct and next february and hadnt bothered to look at prices for a while. Says 60% off 2nd pax and was waiting for another 30% all pax.

 

Found one next January with a cabin I particularly wanted... talk about a cluster. 

 

I was looking at next year for the fall and saw that one, and couldnt resist. So yea I hope by oct cruises are going again. Biker needs to slap my hands away so I quit booking. He keeps telling people to wait.

[JoeFan]

Personally, I would be ok with daily temperature screenings.

You are going to get scanned walking into any of the theme parks across the country, every time.

 

Now that everyone is used to this and we have "Flattened" the curve and testing is up. In NJ they are urging everyone to get tested. They are using the spot positivity as a measure of performance. Hey we tested 15k people and only had 3% positive. The more people tested, drives down the spot positivity rate.

 

We just can't be in a position now if a cruise ship comes back to port and 10 people on the ship test positive, you can't keep the ship from docking. 1,900 people tested positive on 6/11/20 in Florida ALONE and we didn't ship them off. Positive cases are a known quantity now. Hospitals aren't being overrun and we have plenty of ventilators. Unless we all want to lock down tight until we get a vaccine, its just life right now.

 

Edited June 13, 2020 by JoeFan

[A&L_Ont]

13 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

I'm the opposite, I'm booked Oct and next february and hadnt bothered to look at prices for a while. Says 60% off 2nd pax and was waiting for another 30% all pax.

 

Found one next January with a cabin I particularly wanted... talk about a cluster. 

 

I was looking at next year for the fall and saw that one, and couldnt resist. So yea I hope by oct cruises are going again. Biker needs to slap my hands away so I quit booking. He keeps telling people to wait.

We have 5 more cruises booked for the next 2 years and have had them for a while, however I am looking at alternative plans.  Just in case.😉

 

I was always taught to have a main plan, and a backup. Hard to change my ways. 

Edited June 13, 2020 by A&L_Ont

[SherriZ366]

Read somewhere that the CDC met with Cruise Executives yesterday..  Haven't seen anything else.  

[firefly333]

My backup plan is more cruises. I didnt mention I HAD a b2b on allure ha. 

 

If rcl runs away with my money I have no back up plan.

[firefly333]

Just now, SherriZ366 said:

Read somewhere that the CDC met with Cruise Executives yesterday..  Haven't seen anything else.  

I read it mostly related to getting the crew home. Cdc says they havent yet started to review plans to restart cruises. Those who listened said it was boring.