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One problem, by definition cruises, except for river cruises, and the NCL ship in Hawaii, take place outside of america.

 

Wishful thinking on the part of the person posting the video.

 

The credit would apply to any travel expense “over $50 that is incurred while traveling away from home in the U.S., with explicit reference to the expense of meals, lodging, recreation, transportation, amusement or entertainment, business meetings or events, and gasoline,

 

It’s difficult to tell if this idea is picking up any traction. Since Trump mentioned the “Explore America” Tax Credit last month, the administration has been mum on further details, and Congress has not introduced legislation as of yet.

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I had read that one stimulus idea was to give Americans a vacation credit if they vacation within the next 6 months in the U.S. It would be questionable whether cruising would count because Florida is definitely in the U.S., but the ports are not. Though it’s a fun idea, the 6 month stipulation would eliminate a whole sector of people who can’t take time off work within that timeframe. I doubt this idea will actually go anywhere anyway, though, because virus cases are on the rise, and basically paying Americans to take a vacation will just promote further spread.

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3 hours ago, cruisequeen4ever said:

I had read that one stimulus idea was to give Americans a vacation credit if they vacation within the next 6 months in the U.S. It would be questionable whether cruising would count because Florida is definitely in the U.S., but the ports are not. Though it’s a fun idea, the 6 month stipulation would eliminate a whole sector of people who can’t take time off work within that timeframe. I doubt this idea will actually go anywhere anyway, though, because virus cases are on the rise, and basically paying Americans to take a vacation will just promote further spread.

Not only the issue of taking off work, but the question of money available to book a cruise, or any other vacation.

 

This is more a bone to the travel business supporters of Trump, not to people who may not have worked for several months recently, and don't have a lot of disposable income just sitting around. And to promote the concept that Covid is "just the flu", and as was said just this week, has been "reduced to ashes".

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5 hours ago, npcl said:

One problem, by definition cruises, except for river cruises, and the NCL ship in Hawaii, take place outside of america.

Agree. Also, the Trump administration excluded the cruise lines from other "federal assistance" this spring because they're not really US companies, or staffed primarily by US employees. Why would he start giving them perks now?  And if Covid is just the flu and has been reduced to ashes, [from the US government's official point of view,] why would these companies need assistance.

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Failing any other payment Bob, it might pay transportation and expenses to and from port cities, along with extra hotel night stays. Even that’s a benefit,!

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American cruises. San Diego to Hawaii round trip, also any other west coast port to Hawaii. Also the Pacific Coastal Cruises. Plus Maine to Florida and vise versa, perhaps Florida to Galvestonwith a stop in Key West. All kinds of possibilities, some actual, others just wishful thinking at this time but who knows for the future.

 

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On 6/13/2020 at 2:32 PM, npcl said:

One problem, by definition cruises, except for river cruises, and the NCL ship in Hawaii, take place outside of america.

 

 

Not so. There are cruises from West Coast ports to Hawaii, there are West Coastal repositional cruises, there repositional cruises and who is to say that in the future these might be cruises from an East Coast Port to a Texas or La. port.

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1 hour ago, lazey1 said:

American cruises. San Diego to Hawaii round trip, also any other west coast port to Hawaii. Also the Pacific Coastal Cruises. Plus Maine to Florida and vise versa, perhaps Florida to Galvestonwith a stop in Key West. All kinds of possibilities, some actual, others just wishful thinking at this time but who knows for the future.

 

Even a cruise from San Diego to Hawaii would be considered to be outside of the US.  Otherwise the crew would need US work VISA's.  Also note that you have to clear immigration when you return.

 

The only large cruise is the NCL ship that cruises solely in Hawaii.

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1 hour ago, lazey1 said:

Not so. There are cruises from West Coast ports to Hawaii, there are West Coastal repositional cruises, there repositional cruises and who is to say that in the future these might be cruises from an East Coast Port to a Texas or La. port.

No, because all of those cruise are considered outside the US (PVSA) because they all call at a foreign port.  On all of them you have to clear US immigration and customs.  You might leave from a US port and return to a US port, but during the cruise you leave the US at at least one port.

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, lazey1 said:

Not so. There are cruises from West Coast ports to Hawaii, there are West Coastal repositional cruises, there repositional cruises and who is to say that in the future these might be cruises from an East Coast Port to a Texas or La. port.

Many problems with this statement.

 

Repositonal cruises that start in one US port and end in another need to stop in a "distant" foreign port, the closest is usually in South America, or Aruba. The West Coast repositional (is that even a word?) start or end in Vancouver. Doing an East Coast port to a Texas port would also require a stop in Aruba or South America to be legal.

 

Cruises from North America to Hawaii (one way)(or reverse) must start or end outside the US. Usually Vancouver.

 

 

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On 6/13/2020 at 6:45 PM, CruiserBruce said:

.. And to promote the concept that Covid is "just the flu", and as was said just this week, has been "reduced to ashes".

 

It is actually a legitimate comparison if one considers the very bad flu pandemics of the past that killed millions.  The only thing wrong is the word "just".  There is nothing "just" about influenza other than the fact that we now have vaccines.

 

igraf

 

 

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15 hours ago, CruiserBruce said:

Many problems with this statement.

 

Repositonal cruises that start in one US port and end in another need to stop in a "distant" foreign port, the closest is usually in South America, or Aruba. The West Coast repositional (is that even a word?) start or end in Vancouver. Doing an East Coast port to a Texas port would also require a stop in Aruba or South America to be legal.

 

Cruises from North America to Hawaii (one way)(or reverse) must start or end outside the US. Usually Vancouver.

 

 

 

our 2013 HAL Zaandam Hawaii cruise was r/t San Diego with a port stop in Ensenada, Mexico before returning to SD.  

 

Carol

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1 hour ago, CJcruzer said:

 

our 2013 HAL Zaandam Hawaii cruise was r/t San Diego with a port stop in Ensenada, Mexico before returning to SD.  

 

Carol

That is because its ROUNDTRIP out of the same US port. The comments I made above were about one way cruises. Thought I was pretty clear about that.

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1 hour ago, igraf said:

 

It is actually a legitimate comparison if one considers the very bad flu pandemics of the past that killed millions.  The only thing wrong is the word "just".  There is nothing "just" about influenza other than the fact that we now have vaccines.

 

igraf

 

 

But you know when people were saying "its just a flu" they were talking about the annual flu, not the Spanish flu of 1918. You get that, right?

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16 hours ago, CruiserBruce said:

Cruises from North America to Hawaii (one way)(or reverse) must start or end outside the US. Usually Vancouver.

 

16 minutes ago, CruiserBruce said:

That is because its ROUNDTRIP out of the same US port. The comments I made above were about one way cruises. Thought I was pretty clear about that.

I think the confusion was the (one way) (or reverse) was a bit confusing.  I interpreted it your way but the (one way) probably should not have been in parentheses,

 

Roy

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2 hours ago, CJcruzer said:

 

our 2013 HAL Zaandam Hawaii cruise was r/t San Diego with a port stop in Ensenada, Mexico before returning to SD.  

 

Carol

 

17 hours ago, CruiserBruce said:

Many problems with this statement.

 

Repositonal cruises that start in one US port and end in another need to stop in a "distant" foreign port, the closest is usually in South America, or Aruba. The West Coast repositional (is that even a word?) start or end in Vancouver. Doing an East Coast port to a Texas port would also require a stop in Aruba or South America to be legal.

 

Cruises from North America to Hawaii (one way)(or reverse) must start or end outside the US. Usually Vancouver.

 

 

Actually the foreign port for any repositioning cruise would be in either Mexico or Vancouver. There would never be a need to stop in South America or Aruba.

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10 minutes ago, lazey1 said:

 

Actually the foreign port for any repositioning cruise would be in either Mexico or Vancouver. There would never be a need to stop in South America or Aruba.

Again, not true. If you are repositioning between two US ports, you must stop at a distant foreign port. Vancouver or Mexico NEVER qualifies as a distant foreign port. Example...Ft Lauderdale to San Diego, through the Canal. The common stops are Aruba or Cartagena. If your ship is repositioning up or down the West Coast, that cruise can't start and end at different US ports. So Vancouver is commonly used as the start or end of the cruise.

 

If you are doing a ROUNDTRIP out of the same US port, you must stop at a foreign port. That is where Mexico or Canadian ports come in. For example, a 7 day Alaska cruise, round trip out of Seattle, MUST stop at a Canadian port to be legal.

 

There are two key definitions you seem to be missing. First, roundtrip cruises versus repositioning between two US ports. Second, the difference, in the law, between a foreign port, and a distant foreign port.

 

Please give an example where your statement is correct.

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On 6/17/2020 at 9:16 AM, CruiserBruce said:

But you know when people were saying "its just a flu" they were talking about the annual flu, not the Spanish flu of 1918. You get that, right?

 

No, I don't.  There have been two other flu pandemics since 1918:

 

https://www.mphonline.org/worst-pandemics-in-history/

 

People have a way of grouping the flu with the common cold.  The annual flu still kills large numbers of people and it would be a lot worse if we didn't have the flu shots.

 

igraf

 

 

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