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38 minutes ago, drsel said:
57 minutes ago, firefly333 said:
Actually I think they will wait a month to tell us thru oct 15. They dont want to have to refund money any sooner than they can get away with.
 
Imo we wouldnt know about october for another month.

So is it safe to book a carnival cruise in April May 2021 and pay them now?

Idk, someone heard a rumor cdc wanted to cancel out to next march. Clia agreed to sept 15. Says voluntarily agreed. 

 

I doubt the cancellations are done. I'm booked oct on ccl and jan and a b2b in feb on rcl. Im booking awy and figuring sooner or later to go

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I was about to pull the trigger and pay Carnival and Princess deposits on Cruises for April and May 2021, but now I am not sure.

I was expecting that by April 2021, the virus would be under control, but I am not sure about them going bankrupt and their future Cruises been cancelled.
And the risk of them defaulting on refunds of deposits

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Idk, someone heard a rumor cdc wanted to cancel out to next march. Clia agreed to sept 15. Says voluntarily agreed. 
 
I doubt the cancellations are done. I'm booked oct on ccl and jan and a b2b in feb on rcl. Im booking awy and figuring sooner or later to go
I don't think they can keep the cruise lines starved of income till March 2021
As soon as international flights start operating normally, the Cruises will have to be allowed to sail also
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16 hours ago, drsel said:
On 6/19/2020 at 12:22 PM, Honolulu Blue said:
 
CLIA just announced that all its members (including Carnival) would voluntarily delay all sailings from U.S. ports until September 15.  Source:  https://cruising.org/news-and-research/press-room/2020/june/clia-announces-voluntary-suspension-of-cruise-operations-from-us-ports .  So you should definitely get that cancellation notice soon.

Do you think this could be extended to 15th October also

My gut feeling they could extend it through December.  It depends on the virus....

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10 hours ago, drsel said:

I don't think they can keep the cruise lines starved of income till March 2021
As soon as international flights start operating normally, the Cruises will have to be allowed to sail also

Why? What makes you think so?

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Why? What makes you think so?

Because the risk of virus transmission in a sealed airtight chamber on a small plane is more than that on a huge Cruise ship with well ventilated open decks.

 

It would also be unfair to allow the airlines to be in business and deny the cruise lines.

 

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On 6/18/2020 at 11:56 AM, Jamesatgsu said:

Part of the issue is Carnival is already being sued over their handling of the virus. If they re-open while major competitors do not, then it increases their legal liability if there is an infection spread on board again. The plaintiff will argue NCL knew it wasn't safe to cruise, so Carnival should have known better. It sucks, because we know there is a risk, but are willing to assume it.


   Princess and HAL were the most obvious culprits, but the ugly truth is the cruise industry brought this entire mess upon itself through short-sighted, greed-fueled decisions to keep cruising in late February and March.

     Every executive involved should have been launched by April 1, but this industry is notorious for keeping its overpaid incompetents in power way, way too long.

     The trial lawyers are heroes for going after them. 🏅

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Well my Jan cruise was canceled due to can't complete the ship in time. 

 

Now I really thought this was going to be gone first.

I don't know what to do for that one if it is safe to book anything.

They will give you 125% future credit (RCI) but I don't when to even think.

I think it won't go until a vaccine is out.

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On 6/20/2020 at 5:30 PM, drsel said:

Because the risk of virus transmission in a sealed airtight chamber on a small plane is more than that on a huge Cruise ship with well ventilated open decks.

 

It would also be unfair to allow the airlines to be in business and deny the cruise lines.

 

But there are also closed-in bars and restaurants with many close tables all over the ships, not to mention the casino. This is where the transmission of the virus takes place. And the total time of exposure is increased over multiple days. So it is not clear which would carry the higher risk of infection. The other issue is the foreign ports that are not allowing ships to enter.

Not sure fairness is part of the considerations.

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The Cruise lines have got plans to separate the tables in the main dining room and allow only people in the same cabin to sit together.

The same goes for the bars.

 

there are some videos on YouTube, just released, which explain all the rules Cruise ships will be following.

One such video is by Emma Cruises.

Another by Ben and David and a third by Cruise admiral

 

 

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2 hours ago, drsel said:

The Cruise lines have got plans to separate the tables in the main dining room and allow only people in the same cabin to sit together.

The same goes for the bars.

 

there are some videos on YouTube, just released, which explain all the rules Cruise ships will be following.

One such video is by Emma Cruises.

Another by Ben and David and a third by Cruise admiral

 

 

 

The MDR part sounds feasible but not the bar part. They aren't going to be able to police who sits next to who at a bar.  They may say that's the policy but it will be enforced just like the dress code.

 

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4 hours ago, drsel said:

The Cruise lines have got plans to separate the tables in the main dining room and allow only people in the same cabin to sit together.

The same goes for the bars.

 

there are some videos on YouTube, just released, which explain all the rules Cruise ships will be following.

One such video is by Emma Cruises.

Another by Ben and David and a third by Cruise admiral

 

 

Doesn't sound like a lot of fun. We will wait and see. Hope they get rid of hand dryers in the public restrooms. This spread germs.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, DANCING GRANDMOMMY said:

Doesn't sound like a lot of fun. We will wait and see. Hope they get rid of hand dryers in the public restrooms. This spread germs.

 

 


I agree about getting rid of those hand dryers.  Blowing air around a small enclosed public restroom sounds like a fast way to spread the virus.

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5 hours ago, Saint Greg said:

 

The MDR part sounds feasible but not the bar part. They aren't going to be able to police who sits next to who at a bar.  They may say that's the policy but it will be enforced just like the dress code.

 

 

Huh, get your point, maybe no bar service and only wait service?

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23 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

 

Huh, get your point, maybe no bar service and only wait service?


They could try that. I think they’d need a lot more waiters. It doesn’t make sense to me because they can’t police that everyone sitting at the same table is in the same room either.

 

But I’ve seen some dumb things in the COVID-19 re-opening. I was at a bar/grill type of establishment for UFC last month. They had the bar closed as one of their policies. But they had all of the high top bar tables pushed together by the bar which made a bar by the bar for the bar people....but the bar was closed.

 

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12 hours ago, Saint Greg said:


They could try that. I think they’d need a lot more waiters. It doesn’t make sense to me because they can’t police that everyone sitting at the same table is in the same room either.

 

But I’ve seen some dumb things in the COVID-19 re-opening. I was at a bar/grill type of establishment for UFC last month. They had the bar closed as one of their policies. But they had all of the high top bar tables pushed together by the bar which made a bar by the bar for the bar people....but the bar was closed.

 

Have seen the same

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12 hours ago, Saint Greg said:


They could try that. I think they’d need a lot more waiters. It doesn’t make sense to me because they can’t police that everyone sitting at the same table is in the same room either.

 

But I’ve seen some dumb things in the COVID-19 re-opening. I was at a bar/grill type of establishment for UFC last month. They had the bar closed as one of their policies. But they had all of the high top bar tables pushed together by the bar which made a bar by the bar for the bar people....but the bar was closed.

 


That is a very common practice at a lot of restaurants in the Tampa area. The bar is technically closed, but in reality it isn’t. We have sat at these tables frequently. What is interesting is the bartenders always walk around and serve you from the end of the table, not from behind the bar. 

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