You can blame the CDC, not NCL for the latest suspensions.

[hamrag]

1 minute ago, Newleno said:

I will ask again, what was done differently by the white house then what was recommended? , what information from the experts was ignored?, what was/is the solution to this plague?

 

You keep repeating yourself, and it's very boring! 😉

[janerd]

4 minutes ago, Newleno said:

I will ask again, what was done differently by the white house then what was recommended? , what information from the experts was ignored?, what was/is the solution to this plague?

HERE read this.

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/12/21218305/trump-ignored-coronavirus-warnings

[Newleno]

7 minutes ago, JAMESCC said:

Nothing, they have done everything perfectly and right which is why we are such great shape now. That is what you want to hear so I'm giving it to you.

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A great man once said: (partial quote) Learn baby Learn, so you can Earn baby Earn.

[Newleno]

5 minutes ago, janerd said:

HERE read this.

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/12/21218305/trump-ignored-coronavirus-warnings

I wont click a vox article but if you would care to answer my question directly that would be great,  I am really interested in what did the whitehouse do differently than what experts recommended.  More importantly what is the solution currently to the plague

[Newleno]

10 minutes ago, hamrag said:

 

You keep repeating yourself, and it's very boring! 😉

and yet the question does not get answered, should be very simple to answer if true

[hamrag]

10 minutes ago, Newleno said:

I will ask again, what was done differently by the white house then what was recommended? , what information from the experts was ignored?, what was/is the solution to this plague?

You kept asking, so here are the most pertinent points from the article linked in a previous post which answer your question....happy reading!  😉

 

As the coronavirus pandemic spreads, new details continue to emerge about the way President Donald Trump mishandled the United States’ response.

An investigation by the New York Times has revealed that experts and administration officials tried to warn Trump of the serious nature of the coronavirus pandemic early on. Alerts from high-ranking government experts began as far back as January, six weeks before his administration finally sprang into action on March 16, when he issued concrete guidelines for the public.

The report exhaustively outlines numerous ways in which Trump avoided listening to government authorities as they proposed strategies for dealing with the pandemic. It also details an administration mired in political bickering, which hamstrung officials at every phase of their response. The report prompted epidemiologist Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, to respond that “obviously” lives could have been saved if the government had taken the warnings seriously.

The report paints a portrait of Trump as being swayed by things like petty politics, one-upmanship, advice from his uninformed business associates, and his annoyance at inconsequential conspiracy theories, rather than the strenuous and sustained advice of experts — most of which he ignored for weeks. The delay resulted in a lack of effective quarantining measures, a dearth of testing centers and equipment, a failure to reallocate existing resources, and widespread confusion about how seriously the public should be taking the disease.

 

Here are a few of the most revealing warnings that Trump ignored or dismissed.

Trump was telling officials to stop panicking — even after he’d banned travel from China

The first reported instance of a Covid-19 case in the US was confirmed on January 21. On January 31, Trump announced a restriction on all incoming travel from China, effective on February 2.

But according to the Times, even though his own proclamation declared that “the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has determined that the virus presents a serious public health threat,” Trump himself was simultaneously telling administration officials not to “panic” over Covid-19.

Trump reportedly delivered this statement to his own health and human services secretary, Alex Azar, after Azar tried to warn him that Covid-19 could escalate into a pandemic, the night before Trump issued the ban. It was his second such warning, but Trump was dismissive:

Mr. Azar was blunt, warning that the virus could develop into a pandemic and arguing that China should be criticized for failing to be transparent.

Mr. Trump rejected the idea of criticizing China, saying the country had enough to deal with. And if the president’s decision on the travel restrictions suggested that he fully grasped the seriousness of the situation, his response to Mr. Azar indicated otherwise.

Stop panicking, Mr. Trump told him.

Trump would repeatedly display this attitude in public throughout the pandemic’s spread. Nearly a month later, he continued to claim to reporters that the coronavirus would simply vanish by April: “One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

 

Trump ignored early urgent advice to institute social distancing guidelines, in part because he was throwing a political tantrum

Multiple groups, working together and independently, attempted to alert Trump to the need for extreme action, taken early. As early as January 29, Trump received a memo from trade official Peter Navarro urging serious action to fight the virus or “leave Americans defenseless.” On February 14, another memo circulated by a group of administration experts urged social distancing, quarantining, and preparedness.

 

The White House’s coronavirus task force included a number of top-ranking officials who were convening to roleplay response preparedness scenarios, even before it was widely known that Covid-19 was often asymptomatic, meaning it could spread before signs of illness were detected. Then led by Azar, the task force included representatives from the CDC and the Department of Health and Human Services, as well as Fauci, representing the National Institutes of Health.

On February 24, members of the task force decided to present to Trump a plan for mitigation: a comprehensive strategy for containing the effects of the virus once it began to spread within the country. The plan, called “Four Steps to Mitigation,” called for “school dismissals and cancellations of mass gatherings,” as well as aggressive testing, quarantining, and social distancing efforts.

But the group never got to present the plan, because Trump was simultaneously infuriated over a CDC statement. Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, announced in a press conference on February 26 that the virus was here and it was spreading. She also publicly announced a version of the plan that had yet to be presented to Trump, called “Community Mitigation Guidelines to Prevent Pandemic Influenza.”

Trump’s anger at the announcement of these guidelines, and the effect it had on a plummeting stock market, prompted him to demote Azar as the leader of the White House’s response, replacing him with Vice President Mike Pence. He then stalled the White House’s efforts to enact social distancing measures and other community-level actions until March 16.

 

Political squabbling over China meant the earliest warnings about the coronavirus were dismissed while conspiracy theories were taken seriously

Deputy National Security Adviser Matthew Pottinger had been investigating news of the outbreak since early January, suspecting correctly that China had restricted reports of the outbreak’s severity and spread.

But his efforts to get news and updates about the outbreak through to senior officials and health administration officials constantly met with political obstacles. Health officials downplayed his information and politicians attempted to spin the information to benefit the US in its ongoing complicated relationship with China.

The result was that Pottinger’s warnings, one of the earliest clear warnings within the administration about the coronavirus, went unheeded, as well as warnings from the National Security Council. The security experts were dismissed even as an unfounded conspiracy theory about the virus’s origin spread among some government officials, and economic advisers pushed back against taking drastic measures to thwart China.

Ironically, another conspiracy theory that the virus had come from the US, floated in a single tweet by a random Chinese official, angered Trump so much that it apparently altered his entire approach toward China. After the tweet, he shifted from tentatively praising the country’s response to calling Covid-19 “the Chinese virus” in press conferences.

The internal fighting and politicization among Trump’s administration, as well as Trump’s own capriciousness, wreaked havoc on the country’s ability to adequately prepare for the virus in time to ameliorate lost lives and widespread damage.

 

Dr. Fauci: If Trump had acted earlier, lives could have “obviously” been saved

The Times report aligns with predictions prior to the coronavirus pandemic that President Trump was setting the US up to botch its reaction to a hypothetical future outbreak, as well as criticisms once Covid-19 began to spread. “If we’d jumped into contract tracing and testing, social distancing, and health system preparedness as soon as we heard reports from China, we’d be in a very different situation now,” Céline Gounder, an epidemiologist at New York University, told Vox’s German Lopez in early April.

 

In the wake of the Times report, medical officials echoed the opinions experts had voiced from the beginning. This morning, Fauci, the now-famous epidemiologist on the coronavirus task force, told CNN’s Jake Tapper that the US “obviously” could have saved lives if it had “started mitigation earlier.”

“Could you have done something a little bit earlier? Would it have had an impact? Obviously.”

Fauci went on to stress that many factors were involved in the US response. But when Tapper asked if a more strenuous US response could have saved lives, he reiterated, “Obviously,” and added, “There was a lot of pushback about shutting things down back then.”

 

[janerd]

Just now, Newleno said:

I wont click a vox article but if you would care to answer my question directly that would be great,  I am really interested in what did the whitehouse do differently than what experts recommended.  More importantly what is the solution currently to the plague

I answered your question but you don't want to read it. Fine don't learn baby don't learn. I'll give you one paragraph that says it all.

The report paints a portrait of Trump as being swayed by things like petty politics, one-upmanship, advice from his uninformed business associates, and his annoyance at inconsequential conspiracy theories, rather than the strenuous and sustained advice of experts — most of which he ignored for weeks. The delay resulted in a lack of effective quarantining measures, a dearth of testing centers and equipment, a failure to reallocate existing resources, and widespread confusion about how seriously the public should be taking the disease.

[Newleno]

12 minutes ago, hamrag said:

You kept asking, so here are the most pertinent points from the article linked in a previous post which answer your question....happy reading!  😉

 

As the coronavirus pandemic spreads, new details continue to emerge about the way President Donald Trump mishandled the United States’ response.

An investigation by the New York Times has revealed that experts and administration officials tried to warn Trump of the serious nature of the coronavirus pandemic early on. Alerts from high-ranking government experts began as far back as January, six weeks before his administration finally sprang into action on March 16, when he issued concrete guidelines for the public.

The report exhaustively outlines numerous ways in which Trump avoided listening to government authorities as they proposed strategies for dealing with the pandemic. It also details an administration mired in political bickering, which hamstrung officials at every phase of their response. The report prompted epidemiologist Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, to respond that “obviously” lives could have been saved if the government had taken the warnings seriously.

The report paints a portrait of Trump as being swayed by things like petty politics, one-upmanship, advice from his uninformed business associates, and his annoyance at inconsequential conspiracy theories, rather than the strenuous and sustained advice of experts — most of which he ignored for weeks. The delay resulted in a lack of effective quarantining measures, a dearth of testing centers and equipment, a failure to reallocate existing resources, and widespread confusion about how seriously the public should be taking the disease.

 

Here are a few of the most revealing warnings that Trump ignored or dismissed.

Trump was telling officials to stop panicking — even after he’d banned travel from China

The first reported instance of a Covid-19 case in the US was confirmed on January 21. On January 31, Trump announced a restriction on all incoming travel from China, effective on February 2.

But according to the Times, even though his own proclamation declared that “the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has determined that the virus presents a serious public health threat,” Trump himself was simultaneously telling administration officials not to “panic” over Covid-19.

Trump reportedly delivered this statement to his own health and human services secretary, Alex Azar, after Azar tried to warn him that Covid-19 could escalate into a pandemic, the night before Trump issued the ban. It was his second such warning, but Trump was dismissive:

Mr. Azar was blunt, warning that the virus could develop into a pandemic and arguing that China should be criticized for failing to be transparent.

Mr. Trump rejected the idea of criticizing China, saying the country had enough to deal with. And if the president’s decision on the travel restrictions suggested that he fully grasped the seriousness of the situation, his response to Mr. Azar indicated otherwise.

Stop panicking, Mr. Trump told him.

Trump would repeatedly display this attitude in public throughout the pandemic’s spread. Nearly a month later, he continued to claim to reporters that the coronavirus would simply vanish by April: “One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

 

Trump ignored early urgent advice to institute social distancing guidelines, in part because he was throwing a political tantrum

Multiple groups, working together and independently, attempted to alert Trump to the need for extreme action, taken early. As early as January 29, Trump received a memo from trade official Peter Navarro urging serious action to fight the virus or “leave Americans defenseless.” On February 14, another memo circulated by a group of administration experts urged social distancing, quarantining, and preparedness.

 

The White House’s coronavirus task force included a number of top-ranking officials who were convening to roleplay response preparedness scenarios, even before it was widely known that Covid-19 was often asymptomatic, meaning it could spread before signs of illness were detected. Then led by Azar, the task force included representatives from the CDC and the Department of Health and Human Services, as well as Fauci, representing the National Institutes of Health.

On February 24, members of the task force decided to present to Trump a plan for mitigation: a comprehensive strategy for containing the effects of the virus once it began to spread within the country. The plan, called “Four Steps to Mitigation,” called for “school dismissals and cancellations of mass gatherings,” as well as aggressive testing, quarantining, and social distancing efforts.

But the group never got to present the plan, because Trump was simultaneously infuriated over a CDC statement. Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, announced in a press conference on February 26 that the virus was here and it was spreading. She also publicly announced a version of the plan that had yet to be presented to Trump, called “Community Mitigation Guidelines to Prevent Pandemic Influenza.”

Trump’s anger at the announcement of these guidelines, and the effect it had on a plummeting stock market, prompted him to demote Azar as the leader of the White House’s response, replacing him with Vice President Mike Pence. He then stalled the White House’s efforts to enact social distancing measures and other community-level actions until March 16.

 

Political squabbling over China meant the earliest warnings about the coronavirus were dismissed while conspiracy theories were taken seriously

Deputy National Security Adviser Matthew Pottinger had been investigating news of the outbreak since early January, suspecting correctly that China had restricted reports of the outbreak’s severity and spread.

But his efforts to get news and updates about the outbreak through to senior officials and health administration officials constantly met with political obstacles. Health officials downplayed his information and politicians attempted to spin the information to benefit the US in its ongoing complicated relationship with China.

The result was that Pottinger’s warnings, one of the earliest clear warnings within the administration about the coronavirus, went unheeded, as well as warnings from the National Security Council. The security experts were dismissed even as an unfounded conspiracy theory about the virus’s origin spread among some government officials, and economic advisers pushed back against taking drastic measures to thwart China.

Ironically, another conspiracy theory that the virus had come from the US, floated in a single tweet by a random Chinese official, angered Trump so much that it apparently altered his entire approach toward China. After the tweet, he shifted from tentatively praising the country’s response to calling Covid-19 “the Chinese virus” in press conferences.

The internal fighting and politicization among Trump’s administration, as well as Trump’s own capriciousness, wreaked havoc on the country’s ability to adequately prepare for the virus in time to ameliorate lost lives and widespread damage.

 

Dr. Fauci: If Trump had acted earlier, lives could have “obviously” been saved

The Times report aligns with predictions prior to the coronavirus pandemic that President Trump was setting the US up to botch its reaction to a hypothetical future outbreak, as well as criticisms once Covid-19 began to spread. “If we’d jumped into contract tracing and testing, social distancing, and health system preparedness as soon as we heard reports from China, we’d be in a very different situation now,” Céline Gounder, an epidemiologist at New York University, told Vox’s German Lopez in early April.

 

In the wake of the Times report, medical officials echoed the opinions experts had voiced from the beginning. This morning, Fauci, the now-famous epidemiologist on the coronavirus task force, told CNN’s Jake Tapper that the US “obviously” could have saved lives if it had “started mitigation earlier.”

“Could you have done something a little bit earlier? Would it have had an impact? Obviously.”

Fauci went on to stress that many factors were involved in the US response. But when Tapper asked if a more strenuous US response could have saved lives, he reiterated, “Obviously,” and added, “There was a lot of pushback about shutting things down back then.”

 

opinion biased based article from new york times, it is any opinion piece, the new york times, they let hitler do an op-ed but went crazy when a us senator was allowed recently to give an opinion, my gosh the nyt

Edited June 19, 2020 by Newleno

[JAMESCC]

I answered your question but you don't want to read it. Fine don't learn baby don't learn. I'll give you one paragraph that says it all.
The report paints a portrait of Trump as being swayed by things like petty politics, one-upmanship, advice from his uninformed business associates, and his annoyance at inconsequential conspiracy theories, rather than the strenuous and sustained advice of experts — most of which he ignored for weeks. The delay resulted in a lack of effective quarantining measures, a dearth of testing centers and equipment, a failure to reallocate existing resources, and widespread confusion about how seriously the public should be taking the disease.

It's obvious this person has a daily dose of Kool aid. No answer will suffice.

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[Newleno]

5 minutes ago, janerd said:

I answered your question but you don't want to read it. Fine don't learn baby don't learn. I'll give you one paragraph that says it all.

The report paints a portrait of Trump as being swayed by things like petty politics, one-upmanship, advice from his uninformed business associates, and his annoyance at inconsequential conspiracy theories, rather than the strenuous and sustained advice of experts — most of which he ignored for weeks. The delay resulted in a lack of effective quarantining measures, a dearth of testing centers and equipment, a failure to reallocate existing resources, and widespread confusion about how seriously the public should be taking the disease.

sorry not good enough, my question was not answered

[janerd]

5 minutes ago, Newleno said:

and yet the question does not get answered, should be very simple to answer if true

We answered you, you just don't want to hear it. What was your quote. Learn baby learn, maybe take your own advice.

[JAMESCC]

We answered you, you just don't want to hear it. What was your quote. Learn baby learn, maybe take your own advice.

Don't bother arguing with people who willingly drink the Kool aid.

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[Newleno]

21 minutes ago, janerd said:

We answered you, you just don't want to hear it. What was your quote. Learn baby learn, maybe take your own advice.

Here is what Fauci actually said, proven quote video from his own lips on jan 21, Fauci said, “Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.” 

 

That guy is the 'expert"

 

In addition when the whitehouse was closing boarders, they were called xenophobes by the opposition (opposition that offered no solutions), whose mayors, health commissioners,  speakers of the houses were out in the streets telling people all is ok go out,   So to put all the blame on the whitehouse seems disingenuous to me

 

However once again the main thing is what is the solution going forward?

 

 

Edited June 19, 2020 by Newleno

[JAMESCC]

Here is what Fauci actually said, proven quote video from his own lips on jan 21, Fauci said, “Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.” 
 
That guy is the 'expert"
 
In addition when the whitehouse was closing boarders, they were called xenophobes by the opposition (opposition that offered no solutions), whose mayors, health commissioners,  speakers of the houses were out in the streets telling people all is ok go out,   So to put all the blame on the whitehouse seems disingenuous to me
 
However once again the main thing is what is the solution going forward?
 
 

There is no solution going forward. The cat is already out of the bag. The opening in a lot of states was too quickly and more people will die as a result.

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[seaman11]

1 hour ago, hamrag said:

 

You keep repeating yourself, and it's very boring! 😉

Did he forget the whole month they just ignored the virus was a threat? 

[ukbecky]

58 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

Did he forget the whole month they just ignored the virus was a threat? 

 

Ignored?  Which month was it ignored?

 

Action was taken in late January, and known cases were tracked and quarantined. It was, at that point, under control in the US.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

 

Better to ask what happened in late February/early March that caused it to spiral out of control in the state of Washington.

 

We know what happened in New York: 

 

https://skillednursingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2020/03/DOH_COVID19__NHAdmissionsReadmissions__032520_1585166684475_0.pdf

[seaman11]

36 minutes ago, ukbecky said:

 

Ignored?  Which month was it ignored?

 

Action was taken in late January, and known cases were tracked and quarantined. It was, at that point, under control in the US.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

 

Better to ask what happened in late February/early March that caused it to spiral out of control in the state of Washington.

 

We know what happened in New York: 

 

https://skillednursingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2020/03/DOH_COVID19__NHAdmissionsReadmissions__032520_1585166684475_0.pdf

the month of jan , action wasnt taken till feb 2nd, lets not act like the govt didnt down play it as a few cases soon to be 0. 

[JAMESCC]

the month of jan , action wasnt taken till feb 2nd, lets not act like the govt didnt down play it as a few cases soon to be 0. 

Rewriting history is their favorite thing to do. This thing was downplayed and called a hoak from the beginning. First it was 1 person coming in from China, then it was 15 pretty soon up 1. How do you live saying something like that and now we have millions of cases?

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[Newleno]

8 hours ago, JAMESCC said:

Rewriting history is their favorite thing to do. This thing was downplayed and called a hoak from the beginning. First it was 1 person coming in from China, then it was 15 pretty soon up 1. How do you live saying something like that and now we have millions of cases?

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Actions recommended at the time by the "experts" were taken, yes Optimism  (hope is a good thing perhaps the best of things) was expressed to avoid panic,  to create calm (Do you have any idea of how close we were to total economic collapse and we aint out of the woods yet, you just dont waste/throw away trillions over the weekend unless one expects deep seeded problems).  Again what was the oppositions position/solution at the time?  Opposition was to shout xenophobe and demand that nothing should be done (opposition literally went into the most vulnerable neighborhoods hugging people).  I have to tell you again my friend dont believe everything you read, see, hear -  research my friend, learn baby learn so you can earn baby earn.  Look in the mirror there is your answer/solution to life.

[JAMESCC]

Actions recommended at the time by the "experts" were taken, yes Optimism  (hope is a good thing perhaps the best of things) was expressed to avoid panic,  to create calm (Do you have any idea of how close we were to total economic collapse and we aint out of the woods yet, you just dont waste/throw away trillions over the weekend unless one expects deep seeded problems).  Again what was the oppositions position/solution at the time?  Opposition was to shout xenophobe and demand that nothing should be done (opposition literally went into the most vulnerable neighborhoods hugging people).  I have to tell you again my friend dont believe everything you read, see, hear -  research my friend, learn baby learn so you can earn baby earn.  Look in the mirror there is your answer/solution to life.

Very cryptic, good job. Everything they did was the wrong take at every single turn. Sorry but that is just my opinion. You can go on thinking they did everything correct, that is your right as well.
Those daily briefs were a waste of everyone's time with playing doctor by someone that does know his ass from his elbow. I watched live as he talked about "light through your skin" and "injecting somehow disinfectant". It's all insane and not helpful in any way.

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[Newleno]

20 minutes ago, JAMESCC said:

 You can go on thinking they did everything correct, that is your right as well

Not my position, but outside of locking down the whole country in December 2019 (20/20 hindsight which has never been done before to my knowledge) I just have not heard of any solution, i have been locked down for 3 months, I did my part, others have not.  My position has been clear and posted and I could be wrong (as far back as march), but the government should have never said that we should not wear masks (when this first started) that could have been the game changer.  Not really into sound bites, political hack interpretations, or a 45 minute briefing with 15 seconds of gaffe (and the only thing that is covered in the press is the gaffe)  Remember the "WHO" did not even say there was human to human transmission until Jan 14 and then claimed only in family groups

Edited June 20, 2020 by Newleno

[JAMESCC]

Not my position, but outside of locking down the whole country in December 2019 (20/20 hindsight which has never been done before to my knowledge) I just have not heard of any solution, i have been locked down for 3 months, I did my part, others have not.  My position has been clear and posted and I could be wrong (as far back as march), but the government should have never said that we should not wear masks (when this first started) that could have been the game changer.  Not really into sound bites, political hack interpretations, or a 45 minute briefing with 15 seconds of gaffe (and the only thing that is covered in the press is the gaffe)  

The entire thing when the doctors were not taking was a gaffe.
Let's just end it. We are in a mess that I thought I saw the end of the tunnel to and now that tunnel seems to be enlarging. The light is a pin point now and that light is dimming.

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[Formula280SS]

18 hours ago, boatseller said:

Florida alone has done the same about of testing as France, which as ~3x the population.  More tests, more detected cases.  That's all that chart shows.

 

18 hours ago, boatseller said:

Oh, you can make policy, just pointless, counterproductive total guesses called 'policy'.

 

Well noted.  RE: the OP of your particular response, there is a clear and evident bias against the US administration and the Governor of the state of Florida.  Happens all the time; "let no crisis go to waste" is now at the grass roots level.

[deliver42]

I live in Florida, and we are setting records every day, over 3000 cases per day. Our governor is going against all of the medical advice and continuing to reopen everything, including schools in August. I voted for the man, and, boy, do I regret it. He's living in his own bubble at everyone else's expense. This is not the CDC's fault.

[seaman11]

51 minutes ago, deliver42 said:

I live in Florida, and we are setting records every day, over 3000 cases per day. Our governor is going against all of the medical advice and continuing to reopen everything, including schools in August. I voted for the man, and, boy, do I regret it. He's living in his own bubble at everyone else's expense. This is not the CDC's fault.

Very sad that some of them choose to appease a party vs whats good for the people.   I want things open too but we have to be smart about it.