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Is it just me or are cabin prices high for upcoming year(s). I dont know if its due to all the cancellations but pricing tiers seem to be double from past years.

I suppose based on supply and demand but must be a lot of pent up demand. Happy cruising all,,,hope we can afford it .

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I just booked the Edge for a 10 day cruise on December 2021 and will be getting a better deal than for the 10 day Eclipse cruise I canceled in April of this year.  You have to keep checking prices and incentives.

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I have an Apex cruise booked for March,201, which was done before Civid-19. I've done several mock bookings since and the same cruise with less perks is now over $1000.00 more. The amount varies depending on what kind of "deal" is current, but in general, that's the amount. Happy with what I have.

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I think it depends on when you booked and what you consider to be a good deal.

We booked our 2021 TA in November 2019 with 4 perks. Hump veranda on deck 6 for $4500 CDN ($2750 CDN p/p).

Booking now with the 4 perks would now be $8800 CDN so almost double.

 

I think with so much FCC in inventory prices will be high for some time as demand is there and Celebrity is also trying to offset the extra 25% they have given.

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Despite some lucky people reporting better deals, I think the trend of rising prices should be expected.  Cruise lines have to repay the massive debt they have taken on, plus when they return to service it will be at reduced capacity.

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Easy to keep prices high when your ships are not sailing.  Why cut prices when it's all demand & no supply.

 

Be patient....  when the ships return and are not at capacity (whatever that is) ... deals will follow.

 

 

 

 

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On 6/20/2020 at 3:41 PM, pixiedust777 said:

I think it depends on when you booked and what you consider to be a good deal.

We booked our 2021 TA in November 2019 with 4 perks. Hump veranda on deck 6 for $4500 CDN ($2750 CDN p/p).

Booking now with the 4 perks would now be $8800 CDN so almost double.

 

I think with so much FCC in inventory prices will be high for some time as demand is there and Celebrity is also trying to offset the extra 25% they have given.

We are on the same cruise. Paid $2855US for a 1b balcony with 3 perks in January. 
if we were paying current prices we wouldn’t book. 

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Significantly higher prices will be the "new normal."  Just think about it.  Cruise lines have borrowed $billions to keep them "afloat" during the pandemic, now March through mid-September at the earliest.  Six months or more hemorrhaging cash.  It will take a significant amount of time to restart: training crews (which are now gone to the 4-winds), determining which ports are permitting visits, higher port fees for those that do open, significantly increased operating costs to operate under new guidelines which includes sailing less than full, higher insurance, etc.  Cruise lines are businesses, not BFFs.  Cruise lines have some, but not a complete idea, of which ships and itineraries they will have come October - IF the no sail order is not extended as the "second wave" hits.  All this suggests significantly increased pricing to even manage operations much less pay back their loans.  Cruising will be different and more expensive - and maybe a better experience for those who can afford cruise travel.

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There is no way they will be able to sustain these comedic prices unless a whole new cadre of neophyte (and totally unaware) consumers fall out of the woodwork.  Who, BTW, are not laid off, or on furlough, or had their business go belly up, or their retirement plan decimated.  Anyone who thinks this economic situation will magically melt away lives in a dream world.

 

The onus for this mess is on the cruise industry alone.  They were the ones who thought the party would never end, building overcapacity with every new build, while places to sail even the current ships became overburdened.  Cuts to the quality of the product with no break.  Who continued to raise executive pay while they loaded on debt (long before the COVID-19 issue).  Who built up literally nothing in cash reserves.

 

Their future costs have nothing to do with what the value of their product is.  If the value of a bottle of ketchup is $1.50, consumers are not suddenly going to start paying $3.00 or $4.00 a bottle because the ketchup manufacturer made stupid economic or marketing mistakes.  They will stop buying ketchup.

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ECCruise, well said. I concur. The arrogance of the cruise lines had no bounds before the virus.

 

My brother-in-law just sold his RV cause he can't travel to the USA due to lung issues.

There is a shortage of RV's and someone in Saskatchewan was willing to drive to see his in Ontario!

The RV dealer near Toronto who bought it said people are using their foreign travel fund to purchase RV's and they specifically state they have no intention of flying or cruising. 

 

Message there cruise lines.

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1 hour ago, ABoatNerd said:

ECCruise, well said. I concur. The arrogance of the cruise lines had no bounds before the virus.

 

My brother-in-law just sold his RV cause he can't travel to the USA due to lung issues.

There is a shortage of RV's and someone in Saskatchewan was willing to drive to see his in Ontario!

The RV dealer near Toronto who bought it said people are using their foreign travel fund to purchase RV's and they specifically state they have no intention of flying or cruising. 

 

Message there cruise lines.

Excellent point.  I think some have the crazy notion that somehow cruising is an essential form of travel and will pay just about anything for it, including the idiotic prices they are posting for many of the 2021/2022 sailings to anywhere of interest to us.

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3 hours ago, Ride-The-Waves said:

 Cruising will be different and more expensive - and maybe a better experience for those who can afford cruise travel.

The question is, how much more expensive? Any reasonable consumer is willing to adjust to reasonable increases, but if the cruise industry thinks that it can recoup its losses in just a few years by jacking up prices far beyond what is reasonable for the average cruise passenger, then I think that they are in for a big surprise. 

 

The second part of your sentence suggests that you foresee a return to the early days of cruising, when only the very wealthy could afford to do so. Unfortunately, that model is no longer viable given number of cruise lines, the number of ships and the ships' capacities. Cruise lines have embraced the notion of Everyman as a potential passenger, and it's too late to revert to marketing for the very wealthy alone.

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Everyone is making excellent points.

 

Everyone I know who has cruised, will Not be cruising again. They are not interested in the air travel to get there, to be locked down on a cruise ship in the middle of no where, to be put on a set schedule while aboard, wearing masks all the time etc.

 

But they are looking at high end escorted and customized tours when borders open,  vacation villa rentals etc. Cruising is not considered an option, period.

 

Even if I was interested, I would not put a $ down until the exact parameters of the cruise product is known.

 

For me, this is a key point - I did not Trust, trust the cruise lines before the virus. I did not Trust the cruise lines that they would provide the same quality of product as my previous cruise, I did not Trust that the cruise line was not deliberately eliminating ports using the "operational" excuse, on and on. 

 

There was too much erosion of the cruise product, the experience, along with price increases and the lying of the cruise lines like "free" beverage packages.

 

I also rejected the cruise lines anti-consumer attitude, instead of a refund like hotels, restaurants provide, they only provided a FCC. No thank you. 

 

In my mind, this virus is comeuppance to the arrogant cruise lines, unfortunately, staff and others pay the price.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, ABoatNerd said:

Everyone is making excellent points.

 

Everyone I know who has cruised, will Not be cruising again. They are not interested in the air travel to get there, to be locked down on a cruise ship in the middle of no where, to be put on a set schedule while aboard, wearing masks all the time etc.

 

But they are looking at high end escorted and customized tours when borders open,  vacation villa rentals etc. Cruising is not considered an option, period.

 

Even if I was interested, I would not put a $ down until the exact parameters of the cruise product is known.

 

For me, this is a key point - I did not Trust, trust the cruise lines before the virus. I did not Trust the cruise lines that they would provide the same quality of product as my previous cruise, I did not Trust that the cruise line was not deliberately eliminating ports using the "operational" excuse, on and on. 

 

There was too much erosion of the cruise product, the experience, along with price increases and the lying of the cruise lines like "free" beverage packages.

 

I also rejected the cruise lines anti-consumer attitude, instead of a refund like hotels, restaurants provide, they only provided a FCC. No thank you. 

 

In my mind, this virus is comeuppance to the arrogant cruise lines, unfortunately, staff and others pay the price.

 

 

 

 

You must know some pretty nice people.

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1 hour ago, ABoatNerd said:

Everyone is making excellent points.

 

Everyone I know who has cruised, will Not be cruising again. They are not interested in the air travel to get there, to be locked down on a cruise ship in the middle of no where, to be put on a set schedule while aboard, wearing masks all the time etc.

 

But they are looking at high end escorted and customized tours when borders open,  vacation villa rentals etc. Cruising is not considered an option, period.

 

Even if I was interested, I would not put a $ down until the exact parameters of the cruise product is known.

 

For me, this is a key point - I did not Trust, trust the cruise lines before the virus. I did not Trust the cruise lines that they would provide the same quality of product as my previous cruise, I did not Trust that the cruise line was not deliberately eliminating ports using the "operational" excuse, on and on. 

 

There was too much erosion of the cruise product, the experience, along with price increases and the lying of the cruise lines like "free" beverage packages.

 

I also rejected the cruise lines anti-consumer attitude, instead of a refund like hotels, restaurants provide, they only provided a FCC. No thank you. 

 

In my mind, this virus is comeuppance to the arrogant cruise lines, unfortunately, staff and others pay the price.

 

 

 

 

THIS!  YES!

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I think honestly till there is a Vaccine for Covid how could cruising be comfortable for the average middle age or older couples?  They are posting all these cruise dates and here

 

we are coming up on 7/1 /20 and not a single cruise ship is planning to set sail? Moving forward how will they open dinning ,buffets come off? Might be gone fore ever.

How do you go to the theater for shows? How do you play in the casino? What  will ports be like?  And do you where a mask on board for 7, 10 days. Is it really ever going to be the same in the near future? 12 months?  Do you pay the standard fees we use to and find out that the experience has Changed?  I sure Hope not, but could be.   And what about the 50,000 employees and Crews get back , if they even want to come back. 

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10 hours ago, Fmitchy said:

I think honestly till there is a Vaccine for Covid how could cruising be comfortable for the average middle age or older couples?  They are posting all these cruise dates and here

 

we are coming up on 7/1 /20 and not a single cruise ship is planning to set sail? Moving forward how will they open dinning ,buffets come off? Might be gone fore ever.

How do you go to the theater for shows? How do you play in the casino? What  will ports be like?  And do you where a mask on board for 7, 10 days. Is it really ever going to be the same in the near future? 12 months?  Do you pay the standard fees we use to and find out that the experience has Changed?  I sure Hope not, but could be.   And what about the 50,000 employees and Crews get back , if they even want to come back. 

We will not cruise again until a vaccine is available for all.  Have cancelled spring 2021 cruise-----well lift and shift to 2022.  Will see what happens with our  later 2021 cruise.

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4 hours ago, zitsky said:

Trying to move a Caribbean cruise from Dec 2020 to 2021 or 2022.  Looks like 50% increase to me.

 

Lift and shift is 1 year max or ???

One year ± 4 weeks:

 

Existing bookings and new bookings made May 6, 2020 through August 1, 2020, are eligible to be rescheduled to the following cruise year at the initial price and/or promotion when selecting an alternative sailing of the same itinerary type, ship series, stateroom category, and voyage length within four weeks of the original sail date.

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I've cruised before, will cruise again when they are going.  Current prices are higher for sure for next year and forward..time will tell if that sticks.  

 

Other than wearing a mask, not doing it.  Period.  

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6 minutes ago, Fouremco said:

One year ± 4 weeks:

 

Existing bookings and new bookings made May 6, 2020 through August 1, 2020, are eligible to be rescheduled to the following cruise year at the initial price and/or promotion when selecting an alternative sailing of the same itinerary type, ship series, stateroom category, and voyage length within four weeks of the original sail date.

I think this may be why they tweaked the Equinox 10 and 11 day cruises to 9 and 12 day cruises...they flat out refused to "lift and shift" my 10 day to the 9....ABC Island Cruise...very disappointed in Celebrity in this regard.  

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