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Got this alert last night about 7:30 PM on my cell phone here in San Antonio, Texas. They used the Wireless Emergency Alert system, which works like the Amber Alert system, to alert the city and county. This is the same system they use for dire emergencies like tornadoes so it is not used for routine announcements.  City and county had 795 new cases Saturday which is the highest since the pandemic started back in March.  

"STAY HOME. The COVID-19 virus is spreading rapidly across Bexar County. Local hospitals are approaching capacity. Protect yourself and your family. Stay home except for essential activities, wear a face covering and avoid gathering with people outside your household."
 

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1 hour ago, Randyk47 said:

Got this alert last night about 7:30 PM on my cell phone here in San Antonio, Texas. They used the Wireless Emergency Alert system, which works like the Amber Alert system, to alert the city and county. This is the same system they use for dire emergencies like tornadoes so it is not used for routine announcements.  City and county had 795 new cases Saturday which is the highest since the pandemic started back in March.  

"STAY HOME. The COVID-19 virus is spreading rapidly across Bexar County. Local hospitals are approaching capacity. Protect yourself and your family. Stay home except for essential activities, wear a face covering and avoid gathering with people outside your household."
 

 

I live in Florida and the authorities should be sending out that same alert here about three times a day !!!!!!

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1 hour ago, Randyk47 said:

Got this alert last night about 7:30 PM on my cell phone here in San Antonio, Texas. They used the Wireless Emergency Alert system, which works like the Amber Alert system, to alert the city and county. This is the same system they use for dire emergencies like tornadoes so it is not used for routine announcements.  City and county had 795 new cases Saturday which is the highest since the pandemic started back in March.  

"STAY HOME. The COVID-19 virus is spreading rapidly across Bexar County. Local hospitals are approaching capacity. Protect yourself and your family. Stay home except for essential activities, wear a face covering and avoid gathering with people outside your household."
 


Stay safe & well!  My state needs to copy your county.

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58 minutes ago, DFD1 said:

 

I live in Florida and the authorities should be sending out that same alert here about three times a day !!!!!!

 

51 minutes ago, cat shepard said:


Stay safe & well!  My state needs to copy your county.

 

👍👍 From another Floridian.

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What are the chances that you'll be cruising in 2021? According to the Health Secretary...

 

“‘We have to act’ — HHS Secretary Azar warns ‘window closing’ to halt coronavirus spike”

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/28/we-have-to-act-hhs-secretary-azar-warns-window-closing-to-halt-coronavirus-spike.html

 

Why does Azar (a political appointee) contradict his bosses? That because at 40k cases a day, it is impossible to contact trace the disease in the hotspots.

 

Let's assume that there are only 10 contacts per confirmed infection. That's 400k contacts a day. Then, there's the 10 additional contacts for each contact.

 

Doing 500k tests a day for the entire USA is insufficient. You need 5 million tests a day (according to one study) to stay ahead of the disease.

 

It would not be so bad, if the governments imposed distancing discipline. But, many red states won't. So, partial restrictions by municipalities won't be effective in defeating the disease.

 

It won't be so bad if most Americans worn masks (temporary herd immunity). But perhaps a third won't. Effectively, there will be no herd immunity in some places.

 

I was watching an interview on CNN with an ID specialist. Her comment was that the epidemic was turning from an 'unmitigated disaster' to an 'uncontrollable disaster'. Welcome to the next wave in fall.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/28/what-second-wave-of-covid-19-means-and-how-to-prevent-it.html

 

What are the chances that HAL will ever sail again with its traditional customers?

 

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8 hours ago, HappyInVan said:

What are the chances that you'll be cruising in 2021? According to the Health Secretary...

 

“‘We have to act’ — HHS Secretary Azar warns ‘window closing’ to halt coronavirus spike”

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/28/we-have-to-act-hhs-secretary-azar-warns-window-closing-to-halt-coronavirus-spike.html

 

Why does Azar (a political appointee) contradict his bosses? That because at 40k cases a day, it is impossible to contact trace the disease in the hotspots.

 

Let's assume that there are only 10 contacts per confirmed infection. That's 400k contacts a day. Then, there's the 10 additional contacts for each contact.

 

Doing 500k tests a day for the entire USA is insufficient. You need 5 million tests a day (according to one study) to stay ahead of the disease.

 

It would not be so bad, if the governments imposed distancing discipline. But, many red states won't. So, partial restrictions by municipalities won't be effective in defeating the disease.

 

It won't be so bad if most Americans worn masks (temporary herd immunity). But perhaps a third won't. Effectively, there will be no herd immunity in some places.

 

I was watching an interview on CNN with an ID specialist. Her comment was that the epidemic was turning from an 'unmitigated disaster' to an 'uncontrollable disaster'. Welcome to the next wave in fall.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/28/what-second-wave-of-covid-19-means-and-how-to-prevent-it.html

 

What are the chances that HAL will ever sail again with its traditional customers?

 

I have no clue what cruising has to do with a CNN report that uses an ID 'specialist', unbelievable nonsense..

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The only surprise is that some people are actually surprised about this.  Leadership and the numbers tell the story.   And it continues to go the wrong way at an exponential pace.    So very unfortunate.

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On 6/25/2020 at 5:42 PM, HaveWeMetYet said:

I wonder if people in Southeast Asia into the South Pacific have some sort of higher immunity. The numbers are really low especially in the densely populated cities of SE Asia.

Europe, North America, South America, and the Middle East all are fairly similar. High deaths in dense cities with mass transit.

A slow and later rise in less populated areas.

Just wondering, I have not read anything that supports it.


No. They just have better leadership and more common sense.

My daughter and son in law live in Taiwan. They are located much too close to China, with a LOT of travel between the two countries in normal times. It was also the last stop for the Diamond Princess before it reached Japan and all hell broke loose. Infected passengers were running around Taipei in droves. COVID-19 should have decimated Taiwan.

The government acted fast and hard. ALL foreigners were banned from entering the country. Returning residents, anyone with symptoms and traced contacts of sick people were required to quarantine Or self isolate. Cell phones were tracked, and if a phone was suspiciously still, it was called and you’d better be there to answer. Masks were mandatory when in crowded public places. Gatherings were banned. (As in large groups of screaming, unmasked young men waving rifles were NOT allowed to gather on state capital lawns without restrictions.)

As a result, even with a population significantly larger than New York State, there have been a total of SEVEN deaths. Outside of wearing masks, isolating when ill, and no large gatherings, life is pretty much back to normal. My daughter goes to restaurants and coffee shops with friends, shops, and has far more freedom than I do right now.

Possibly from being a much older civilization that made those mistakes long ago, they do not respond to a major crisis like a toddler turned loose in heavy traffic. We still do.

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We have too many people that are unwilling to adhere to the CDC mask wearing guidelines, and too many state  governments that are not making adequate or timely adjustments to their re-opening plans in regard to the phased guidelines provided by the government. This is not limited to one political party or the other, and is becoming evident in my own state.

 

Very few people are wearing masks in public here. I stopped by the grocery store yesterday and I estimate only about 20% wore masks, including employees.  Of the remaining 80%, how many continue to be critical of our national leadership, yet are not following the guidelines? Recent polling suggests that is a high percentage, and I think the same could apply to all the crowded beaches and other venues that I've seen recent photos of. Why is it so easy for some to blame others while not doing their own part to solve the problem?

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2 hours ago, MTAK said:

We have too many people that are unwilling to adhere to the CDC mask wearing guidelines, and too many state  governments that are not making adequate or timely adjustments to their re-opening plans in regard to the phased guidelines provided by the government. This is not limited to one political party or the other, and is becoming evident in my own state.

 

Very few people are wearing masks in public here. I stopped by the grocery store yesterday and I estimate only about 20% wore masks, including employees.  Of the remaining 80%, how many continue to be critical of our national leadership, yet are not following the guidelines? Recent polling suggests that is a high percentage, and I think the same could apply to all the crowded beaches and other venues that I've seen recent photos of. Why is it so easy for some to blame others while not doing their own part to solve the problem?

Isn't Montana completely open?

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1 hour ago, Sir PMP said:

Isn't Montana completely open?

 

No, we've been in Phase 2 since around June 1.  That's also when our 14-day quarantine requirement for out of state travel was lifted.

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49 minutes ago, MTAK said:

 

No, we've been in Phase 2 since around June 1.  That's also when our 14-day quarantine requirement for out of state travel was lifted.

 

Lucky You !! Living in one of the country's most beautiful places.

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Here in Oregon masks will be mandatory in inside public spaces starting tomorrow.  Even without the new state directive, we had fairly decent mask wearing among locals. I estimate around 70-80% in local grocery stores.   Maybe 50% outside on the downtown streets outside. Oregon has only had a little over 8,000 case or about 2,000 per million population (6th lowest in the US).  We have had a spike  in cases recently (the reason for the new mask order).  According to our health department many of the new cases are due to people visiting from higher case areas and having gatherings with family members without masks and without distancing.

 

However, we also get a number of people from California and their level of mask wearing seems to be much lower. Was up at Crater Lake NP last week and was surprised by how crowded it was (mostly from out of state)  and how few people had masks as they clustered in the viewing areas.

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On 6/26/2020 at 10:42 AM, HaveWeMetYet said:

I wonder if people in Southeast Asia into the South Pacific have some sort of higher immunity. The numbers are really low especially in the densely populated cities of SE Asia.

Europe, North America, South America, and the Middle East all are fairly similar. High deaths in dense cities with mass transit.

A slow and later rise in less populated areas.

Just wondering, I have not read anything that supports it.

Places in the South Pacific, particularly islands, locked down quickly. No entry.

As for SE Asia, they were very close to SARS, and learned from the experience so when this pandemic flared they were ready for it. Have a look at the stats for Vietnam.

As for Australia and New Zealand, both had leaders who led. Both put aside politics and took a bipartisan approach. In Australia the states still had control of what happens in their state but took advice from their Federal leaders , took the advice of  from recognised experts in science and medicine. Three states and one territory closed their borders, a couple of which it was announced today, are about to reopen.

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14 hours ago, npcl said:

H  According to our health department many of the new cases are due to people visiting from higher case areas and having gatherings with family members without masks and without distancing.

 

 

This is the case here too.  A number of recent cases in our local area are attributed to several weddings.

 

I sincerely hope the new married couples can celebrate future anniversaries without having to mourn the death of friends or loved ones at the same time.

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14 hours ago, DFD1 said:

 

Lucky You !! Living in one of the country's most beautiful places.

 

Thanks, yes very fortunate to be born and raised here.  We had our first visit to Florida in January as part of our cruise and had a great time.  Looking forward to being back down there in 2022 if this virus situation clears up.

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Went to the local Walmart in NC yesterday.  The gov made masks mandatory last Friday so I was hoping to see most everyone wearing masks.  What I saw was maybe 50% with masks and another 50% with no mask in sight.  I saw no Walmart employee without a mask.  I also saw no employee suggest that people wear masks or any signage saying it was required.  Tempting to say something to these maskless IDIOTS but in NC you never know who might pull out a gun or worse.

 

I understand that employees likely don't  want to have to confront people. The Walmart I would guess is the busiest store in town with hundreds of locals visiting everyday.  So why doesn't the local police department have a cop stationed there to first ask people to put on a mask and IF they refuse issue them a ticket.  If you get into your car with no seat belt you get a ticket because it is illegal to drive with no seat belt.  So why not get a ticket if your behavior is illegal as well as endangering to other people?

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1 hour ago, MTAK said:

 

Thanks, yes very fortunate to be born and raised here.  We had our first visit to Florida in January as part of our cruise and had a great time.  Looking forward to being back down there in 2022 if this virus situation clears up.

 

This is way off-topic and I'll probably get chastised, but one of the most memorable trips ever was a month in September spent rambling 'round Montana, mostly in the west and Glacier. Got the idea from one of Charles Kuralt's books.

Magnificent time in a gorgeous place.

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Just now, dockman said:

 

Went to the local Walmart in NC yesterday.  The gov made masks mandatory last Friday so I was hoping to see most everyone wearing masks.  What I saw was maybe 50% with masks and another 50% with no mask in sight.  I saw no Walmart employee without a mask.  I also saw no employee suggest that people wear masks or any signage saying it was required.  Tempting to say something to these maskless IDIOTS but in NC you never know who might pull out a gun or worse.

 

I understand that employees likely don't  want to have to confront people. The Walmart I would guess is the busiest store in town with hundreds of locals visiting everyday.  So why doesn't the local police department have a cop stationed there to first ask people to put on a mask and IF they refuse issue them a ticket.  If you get into your car with no seat belt you get a ticket because it is illegal to drive with no seat belt.  So why not get a ticket if your behavior is illegal as well as endangering to other people?

Went to walmart yesterday with a friend. He had left his mask in my car. As he was about to enter the store, the employee just inside the door said, "do you have a mask?". I gave him the keys and he went back and put it on. So at least here it is being enforced at least at Walmart.

 

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45 minutes ago, dockman said:

 

Went to the local Walmart in NC yesterday.  The gov made masks mandatory last Friday so I was hoping to see most everyone wearing masks. 

 

So why doesn't the local police department have a cop stationed there to first ask people to put on a mask and IF they refuse issue them a ticket.  If you get into your car with no seat belt you get a ticket because it is illegal to drive with no seat belt.  So why not get a ticket if your behavior is illegal

 

Bolding is mine..

 

As in most sates and jurisdictions, law enforcement resources are limited, and I'm sure that the police in NC have bigger fish to fry than to actually station a cop at every retail outlet in the state to be a hall monitor with regard to mask wearing.

 

Here is an excerpt from the new NC Executive Order:

 

Under, Executive Order 147, businesses must have all workers wear face coverings. Retail businesses must also have all customers wear face coverings when they are inside the establishment and may be within six feet of another person, unless the customer comes under an exception identified in the order.

The order states that citations can be written to businesses or organizations that fail to enforce the requirement to wear face coverings. Law enforcement personnel cannot criminally enforce the face covering requirements of this Order against individual workers, customers, or patrons.

 

The wearing of seat belts is state law in NC and most other states, wearing of masks is not, so therefore is not illegal to not wear one.

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