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17 minutes ago, legaljen1969 said:

 I don't even have kids, but the worst behavior I see from cruisers is usually from adults- the super drunk, the super old and the super entitled.   By entitled, I am NOT talking about those with lots of loyalty status. I am talking about the ones in general who believe the entire world must fall at their feet for whatever reason.  

Care to explain " super old"?

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3 minutes ago, beerman2 said:

Care to explain " super old"?

I would say 80+.   My father is 80 and I still think he's "relatively" young considering both of my grandmothers lived to be over 100.   The way people are living today, soon 80 will be "middle aged."   Anyhow,  I have a hard time thinking of my parents as "elderly" when I see all they do and how well they get around. But then I remember that they are definitely getting older.  

My main point was that just because someone has lived many years and acquired much life experience- it doesn't mean they have a right to be hateful to other people.  Yes, I know sometimes people are experiencing dementia or other issues that might make them unusually unkind, and I have the greatest of compassion for such people and their caregivers.  Maybe they are just terrible people. 
 

Maybe it's not even age related, but I find that many people with scooters tend to just cruise around without looking quite often- especially in places like the Windjammer. My nieces who were 6 and 11 on our last family cruise are quite mindful to make way for people in wheelchairs and scooters as they were often with my grandmother and know that you have to be on the lookout.  They try very hard to be considerate of others.  You never know how hold people are. They could be 40 year old sun worshippers and heavy smokers who have done a number on their skin, but many of them appear to be good friends with father time.  

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1 hour ago, Dennis#1 said:

Thought Grandeur was going to permanently stay with RCCL.

 

When Pullmantur went into reorganization they announced Grandeur was not going to Pullmantur as a result but they stopped short of saying Grandeur's future is with Royal Caribbean.  Some assumed that but they never said anymore than the transfer to Pullmantur was called off.

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21 hours ago, Dennis#1 said:

Thought Grandeur was going to permanently stay with RCCL.

 

Maybe now, but she was scheduled to go to Pullmantur the end of March 2021.  

 

We had been booked on an April 12 night, but had to move to early March, as she was to be gone.

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  • 2 weeks later...

Not quite a cruise line but:

 

The MS Satoshi project is dead as the former Pacific Dawn has been sold for scrap, according to a statement from Ocean Builders, which was aiming to setup a floating tech hub for small businesses with the aim to support crypto currency off the coast of Panama.

 

After buying the ship, hiring a vessel management company and even completing a class drydocking, the company said they had hit an insurance roadblock.

 

The ship has since quickly been sold to scrap and will sail to India.

 

"After an exhaustive search for an International Group P&I Club insurance group to insure the Satoshi we have hit the roadblock of having no insurance company willing to insure the MS Satoshi upon dropping anchor in the Gulf of Panama," read a statement from Ocean Builders. "The closest we came was a company toying with us with a million dollar premium for a maximum of $5 million in coverage. Nothing close to the coverage we would need to be legally compliant. We did not foresee that the big boys club would be against such a small operation such as ours."

 

The company had opened bidding on cabins for residency in November and has promised refunds.

"We had requested from the Panama Marine Authority to be considered a non-seagoing vessel which likely would have lessened our burden for insurance, eliminating the requirement to comply with about 32 of the 35 international maritime treaties which Panama has agreed to. However they came back letting us know that because we have an engine and we have a flag, we are to be considered seagoing," the company wrote. 

 

"While we could have spent months and millions of dollars fighting, lobbying (see: bribing), or coming up with some complex alternative insurance solution to comply with the laws, we just did not have the support from the very communities which we created this project to support. Namely the seasteading community and the Bitcoin community. On the contrary, we were constantly attacked by the very people that we were trying to help.

 

"With so many roadblocks ahead of us with the insurance being a show stopper and no support behind us, it is with a heavy heart that we have decided to sell the MS Satoshi and go back to focusing on our floating homes here in Panama."

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12 hours ago, Biker19 said:

Nothing close to the coverage we would need to be legally compliant. We did not foresee that the big boys club would be against such a small operation such as ours."

It's not that the P&I clubs are against a small operator, but since the club is a mutual insurance, and this owner/operator has no track record, the premium is going to be high to cover potential claims.

 

12 hours ago, Biker19 said:

"We had requested from the Panama Marine Authority to be considered a non-seagoing vessel which likely would have lessened our burden for insurance, eliminating the requirement to comply with about 32 of the 35 international maritime treaties which Panama has agreed to.

Did they really think they could bribe their way out of this?  A wooden sailing vessel that has an engine and propeller is considered a "screw-powered motor vessel", and therefore must have watertight bulkheads, etc.

 

Another maritime newbie who just didn't want to spend the money on admiralty lawyers  to see if their entire concept was legal or economically feasible.

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2 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

Another maritime newbie who just didn't want to spend the money on admiralty lawyers  to see if their entire concept was legal or economically feasible.

 

That's what surprising to me.  They went as far as they did spending significant sums of money without a solid business plan.  If they mismanaged this project as they have, why would anyone want to do business in their other ventures?

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