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I see that sailings beginning on July 25th are still open for sale on BPCL’s website. Assuming no roadblocks from the CDC (no-sail order extension), it seems like they are positioned to indeed begin sailing in a few weeks. 
 

Are they really starting back up on the 25th? 

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Personally, I doubt they will starting up again anytime soon, but...

 

They are not members of CLIA, so if the CDC no sail order does not extend, they very well could sail, however...

 

There is a mandatory face mask order for Palm Beach County, and I do not see anything in the order linked here that would exempt BPCL from it. 

 

Very difficult to enforce it I'm sure, and would the pax have to keep the masks on until the ship is out to sea? How far would that even be?

 

There are still tons of folks waiting, (like everyone else) for refunds, if you look at the BPCL Facebook page.

 

I did do a mock booking for the July 25 sailing, and it wanted go give me an OV on deck 7 mid-ship, IMO, the better rooms, and the rooms their system books first.

That tells me no one is knocking down the doors to book.

 

They will take bookings until the very last minute they can, then cancel again. Use that $$ towards refunds owed, then go **poof**.

 

Again, just my opinion, and I'm sorry to say that because they have a good product, just a casualty of the current situation.

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I keep getting email for deals and reply to it. So far I have sent 4 emails and no replies. I have asked to book with the 4th of July deal, using the money I paid for my last cancelled two cruises. I hate calling and talking usually to someone I cannot understand. I had contacts there but no longer.

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On a web site that is air traveler oriented, news was posted today that the Bahamas are opening up with restrictions that are directed towards guests arriving by plane.  The web site listed plans for flights to resume to Nassau by Delta and United, maybe American as well.  Not sure about American.  I believe Air Canada was also mentioned.  Nothing said in the Bahamian announcement about cruise guests.  

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On 7/8/2020 at 12:35 PM, Fla Mike said:

 

 

Very difficult to enforce it I'm sure, and would the pax have to keep the masks on until the ship is out to sea? How far would that even be?

 

 

I think person to person virus transmission continues at sea...

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Royal is requiring masks to be used in certain areas of the ship. Did not mention which. I am thinking, shows, casino, bingo and alike. Walking around the ship, sitting having a drink or just chilling out. I do not think it will be required for those activities.

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On 7/8/2020 at 4:56 PM, rkacruiser said:

 Nothing said in the Bahamian announcement about cruise guests.  

According to the Bahamas Tourism website, under Phase 2 (Commercial Travel) requirements, it does mention that these apply to both travelers arriving by air and sea.

 

https://www.bahamas.com/sites/default/files/tourism_readiness_recovery_plan_phase2.pdf

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4 hours ago, Tapi said:

According to the Bahamas Tourism website, under Phase 2 (Commercial Travel) requirements, it does mention that these apply to both travelers arriving by air and sea.

 

https://www.bahamas.com/sites/default/files/tourism_readiness_recovery_plan_phase2.pdf

Those are quite demanding, aren't they? Covid19 test within 10 days of arriving. Sounds like to receive a card to enter after filling out the required forms. 

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Also I think they will start up then as according to there call center in order to board one of there ships  you have to "show a negative cov. 19 test that seven days old put it in a database and you have to wear a mask all day long on freeport". 

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On 7/10/2020 at 12:55 PM, Tapi said:

According to the Bahamas Tourism website, under Phase 2 (Commercial Travel) requirements, it does mention that these apply to both travelers arriving by air and sea.

 

https://www.bahamas.com/sites/default/files/tourism_readiness_recovery_plan_phase2.pdf

 

Thanks.  I missed that.

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4 hours ago, eroller said:

As expected.  I don’t believe the CDC has given the go for any large ship operation to begin sailing with passengers out of the US. 

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Given the increase in Covid cases in Florida, who in their right mind would travel to Florida to embark a cruise on any cruise line!  

 

BPCL's August 28th date will come and go.  There needs to be an extremely significant change between now and then for their operations to be resumed.  

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On 7/13/2020 at 7:46 PM, rkacruiser said:

 

Given the increase in Covid cases in Florida, who in their right mind would travel to Florida to embark a cruise on any cruise line!  

 

BPCL's August 28th date will come and go.  There needs to be an extremely significant change between now and then for their operations to be resumed.  

Most of the cruisers are Floridians. The virus is not from being outdoors at all. The sun helps tremendously. So closing down beaches is nothing but dumb. What is causing it, is being inside public places where the A/C helps spread the virus throughout the stores. Most cruise ships (No idea about these) have installed filters and also UV to help in the filtration. No matter. Being in an enclosed space is not the best thing. We will still cruise as soon as we can. Three scheduled for this year. Not on these ships. We are in our mid 70's and in excellent health.

 

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As CID is reporting, Bahamas Paradise restart is now pushed back until October 1.  What is not mentioned in the press release is that the issue is not only the CDC, but that the Bahamas has now also restricted entry of American citizens.  So now it's coming from both ends.  

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I really get amused when you just can't leave it alone, so I will break my statement earlier to leave this, just for one more post.

 

The major thrust of these "changes" will be to changing the outside air percentage of the AC, which has been shown to change the pathogen environment, but there is still no evidence that the pathogens are actually recirculated through the system, or whether they just prefer an environment with air that is in the space longer.  Even the guy from NCL says "Clearly testing will be part of this, so we have testing experts", meaning that there is no solid data on whether HVAC systems have any effect or not, they will be testing to see if it does.

 

As for the cruise lines installing HEPA filters and UV lights, again, they can do that, and spend the money to look like they are doing something, but until you test to see what the pathogen load before the filter is, you can't prove that these measures are doing anything or not.

 

And, then they go back to one researcher whose main field of study is airplane ventilation, and who has subsequently restated his position that unlike his original report and interviews, that cruise ship cabins do not share recirculated air.

 

And, when you take a system that is designed for 80% recirculated air, and 20% fresh air, and size the cooling units for this heat load, and then you change this to 100% fresh air, with its increased cooling load, I will be interested to see how many more complaints there are about hot cabins, because the cooling plant can't keep up, or how cruise prices have increased because the ship needs to run every chiller installed, and this will triple, at least, the power required for the hotel, and the increase in fuel.

 

Data is king in science, my friend, and you have yet to show any report that has data on whether pathogens are actually carried in a viable state through an HVAC system.  So, I will now leave you to stay at home, hopefully not with a central AC system (though you do live in Florida), and not go to any building with a central HVAC system, since they are all the same (and that just about eliminates any public or office building in Florida).

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11 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

As for the cruise lines installing HEPA filters and UV lights, again, they can do that, and spend the money to look like they are doing something, but until you test to see what the pathogen load before the filter is, you can't prove that these measures are doing anything or not.

 

I hesitate to enter this "debate".  I know nothing about the particulars being debated.  But, I would like to add one observation in the above post concerning UV lights.

 

I have seen such lights in the foyers and waiting rooms of a major local hospital group.  These were installed well before Covid-19 was an issue.  There must be some beneficial purpose for the hospital group to do so or why would money be spent to buy and install them?  Effective against Covid-19?  Have no idea whatsoever. 

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On 7/27/2020 at 5:22 AM, chengkp75 said:

I really get amused when you just can't leave it alone, so I will break my statement earlier to leave this, just for one more post.

 

The major thrust of these "changes" will be to changing the outside air percentage of the AC, which has been shown to change the pathogen environment, but there is still no evidence that the pathogens are actually recirculated through the system, or whether they just prefer an environment with air that is in the space longer.  Even the guy from NCL says "Clearly testing will be part of this, so we have testing experts", meaning that there is no solid data on whether HVAC systems have any effect or not, they will be testing to see if it does.

 

As for the cruise lines installing HEPA filters and UV lights, again, they can do that, and spend the money to look like they are doing something, but until you test to see what the pathogen load before the filter is, you can't prove that these measures are doing anything or not.

 

And, then they go back to one researcher whose main field of study is airplane ventilation, and who has subsequently restated his position that unlike his original report and interviews, that cruise ship cabins do not share recirculated air.

 

And, when you take a system that is designed for 80% recirculated air, and 20% fresh air, and size the cooling units for this heat load, and then you change this to 100% fresh air, with its increased cooling load, I will be interested to see how many more complaints there are about hot cabins, because the cooling plant can't keep up, or how cruise prices have increased because the ship needs to run every chiller installed, and this will triple, at least, the power required for the hotel, and the increase in fuel.

 

Data is king in science, my friend, and you have yet to show any report that has data on whether pathogens are actually carried in a viable state through an HVAC system.  So, I will now leave you to stay at home, hopefully not with a central AC system (though you do live in Florida), and not go to any building with a central HVAC system, since they are all the same (and that just about eliminates any public or office building in Florida).

Guess you just cannot face the facts. That is sad. Your opinion only.

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To substantiate my posts on this subject. In today's news paper. "CRUISE LINES UPDATE VENTILATION" HVAC systems upgrades among new precautions. I would imagine it was distributed nation wide. A good chance it was in your paper today. I suggest anyone interested on what the cruise lines are doing to protect you the next time you take a cruise read the half page article. It was submitted by Aareon Sauders a Cruise Critic contributor to the news. You will read the lengths they are going through for your health safety.

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