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If Royal Requires A Covid-19 Vaccine Before Cruising Will You Get It???


If Royal Requires A Covid-19 Vaccine Before Cruising Will You Get It???  

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  1. 1. If Royal Requires A Covid-19 Vaccine Before Cruising Will You Get It So You Can Cruise Again?

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8 minutes ago, SNJCruisers said:

Did your children receive flu shots?

Yes, absolutely, in October of every year. And the risk to them *is still* roughly the same as it is with COVID. There have been 24 pediatric deaths in the age bracket my kids are in, compared with 60 flu deaths in the same window (even with the mildest flu season in years). In years past, 25-40% of flu deaths have been among vaccinated patients.

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1 hour ago, lizzius said:

Yes, absolutely, in October of every year. And the risk to them *is still* roughly the same as it is with COVID. There have been 24 pediatric deaths in the age bracket my kids are in, compared with 60 flu deaths in the same window (even with the mildest flu season in years). In years past, 25-40% of flu deaths have been among vaccinated patients.

 

There have been only about 200 kids who died with covid in two "seasons"

The most mild flu season in recent years saw 260 pediatric flu deaths. Meanwhile the CDC estimates that they undercount pediatric flu deaths by a factor of 3 (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/highrisk/children.htm#danger)

 

So a mild flu year sees several hundred pediatric deaths.  A bad year sees 1000.  In 12 months covid has seen 200.

 

The flu is far more dangerous for kids than covid. By a lot.

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1 minute ago, smokeybandit said:

 

There have been only about 200 kids who died with covid in two "seasons"

The most mild flu season in recent years saw 260 pediatric flu deaths. Meanwhile the CDC estimates that they undercount pediatric flu deaths by a factor of 3 (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/highrisk/children.htm#danger)

 

The flu is far more dangerous for kids than covid. By a lot.

By a factor of 4-5, but a flu vaccine reduces my kid's risk by 3-4x. So probably a little worse, but at best equivalent.

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Just now, lizzius said:

By a factor of 4-5, but a flu vaccine reduces my kid's risk by 3-4x. So probably a little worse, but at best equivalent.

In the last 10 years the flu vaccine hasn't been more than 52% effective.  At worst it wasn't even 20% effective.

 

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51 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

In the last 10 years the flu vaccine hasn't been more than 52% effective.  At worst it wasn't even 20% effective.

 

I think it's generally more effective against severe disease and death... I think it's par for the course for fewer than half of all deaths in a flu season to have had a flu shot.

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20 hours ago, smokeybandit said:

Some good news as it relates to getting cruising going, at least for Americans.

 

 

And only a month later than the prior administration’s estimated date for the same outcome.

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39 minutes ago, OnTheJourney said:

...also said a year ago this time that the "virus will simply go away"....like magic....

And a year ago, there was really nothing in the data that would indicate the virus would eventually become as prevalent as it ultimately did:

Here's what the CDC data showed for the first two weeks of March, 2020:

 

Cases:

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Deaths:

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On 2/24/2021 at 2:31 PM, coffeebean said:

I don't really care at this point about challenging other rules. If the cruise lines can not make their own rules and mandate vaccines, then it will be a long time before cruising will resume safely. Sorry to say but that is my humble opinion.

By your reasoning, cruise lines that decide passengers do not have to be vaccinated are okay as well, right?

 

The chances of actually getting COVID in the first place, if you're not obese, immuno-compromised, or sick and aged, are very low.  I don't see a statistical marked difference for those in the vax and non-vax groups.  I'm hoping for a split -- RCCL declares people must be vaccinated, Carnival decides to let individuals take personal responsibility for their choices.  Everybody happy that way.

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12 minutes ago, Incognito1 said:

  I'm hoping for a split -- RCCL declares people must be vaccinated, Carnival decides to let individuals take personal responsibility for their choices.  Everybody happy that way.

Everybody is not happy that way.  What about the ports of call that want the visiting ships to have all adults on board vaccinated to limit the slim chance of a positive person visiting their country?  That is why RCI is choosing to have all crew as well as cruisers 16+ to be vaccinated on the Odyssey of the Seas.

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18 minutes ago, Incognito1 said:

  I'm hoping for a split -- RCCL declares people must be vaccinated, Carnival decides to let individuals take personal responsibility for their choices.  Everybody happy that way.

Not going to happen

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21 minutes ago, Incognito1 said:

By your reasoning, cruise lines that decide passengers do not have to be vaccinated are okay as well, right?

 

The chances of actually getting COVID in the first place, if you're not obese, immuno-compromised, or sick and aged, are very low.  I don't see a statistical marked difference for those in the vax and non-vax groups.  I'm hoping for a split -- RCCL declares people must be vaccinated, Carnival decides to let individuals take personal responsibility for their choices.  Everybody happy that way.

"Everybody happy that way"  No everybody is not

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1 hour ago, LGW59 said:

"Everybody happy that way"  No everybody is not

Which cruisers would not be happy, other than those wanting to make choices for others? And, regarding the ports, I'm guessing most will open up out of sheer economic necessity.  But we'll see.  It's not our decision.

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3 hours ago, Incognito1 said:

By your reasoning, cruise lines that decide passengers do not have to be vaccinated are okay as well, right?

 

The chances of actually getting COVID in the first place, if you're not obese, immuno-compromised, or sick and aged, are very low.  I don't see a statistical marked difference for those in the vax and non-vax groups.  I'm hoping for a split -- RCCL declares people must be vaccinated, Carnival decides to let individuals take personal responsibility for their choices.  Everybody happy that way.

Good Luck. If continues going down and most get Vaccine I see no requirement in US to Cruise by next yr. There's no Fed/State Mandate, 20-40% Pop declining, even 1/3 US Military turning it down. Surprised they had choice, know when I was in Military never was with Experimental Vaccines or others. Think you'll probably end up with about 50-55% US Pop getting it. ...oh and received my first 4hrs ago, I'm around people got keep safe so never thought about if I was.

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You've done your own research and think that's a good choice for you.   Everyone needs to make their own risk assessment, and weigh the small risks against the benefits.  My assessment won't be the same as yours or anyone else's.  Some have no problems with the mRNA delivery and most are doing great with it.  Others are waiting for a more traditional delivery system, and that's their decision as well.  Still others have moral objections to vax developed with aborted fetuses.  And others are waiting for AZ or the Chinese one (forgot the name).  And others choose not to get it at all.

 

It boils down to respecting the right of each person to make their own choice regarding their own bodies.  

 

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1 hour ago, Incognito1 said:

You've done your own research and think that's a good choice for you.   Everyone needs to make their own risk assessment, and weigh the small risks against the benefits.  My assessment won't be the same as yours or anyone else's.  Some have no problems with the mRNA delivery and most are doing great with it.  Others are waiting for a more traditional delivery system, and that's their decision as well.  Still others have moral objections to vax developed with aborted fetuses.  And others are waiting for AZ or the Chinese one (forgot the name).  And others choose not to get it at all.

 

It boils down to respecting the right of each person to make their own choice regarding their own bodies.  

 

Agreed and it applies to all personal decisions to a persons own body, should not be selective.

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Have you read that the CEO of Pfizer has not received the vaccine.  His excuse is he doesn’t want to cut in line 🤣.  What BS.  You’re the CEO of Pfizer,?don’t you think he would be one of the firsts to get it.  Hey if a ship is sinking the captain is the last to leave or go down with his ship. CEO of Pfizer should assure people by example and get the vaccine!  

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35 minutes ago, James4me said:

Have you read that the CEO of Pfizer has not received the vaccine.  His excuse is he doesn’t want to cut in line 🤣.  What BS.  You’re the CEO of Pfizer,?don’t you think he would be one of the firsts to get it.  Hey if a ship is sinking the captain is the last to leave or go down with his ship. CEO of Pfizer should assure people by example and get the vaccine!  

You seem to be looking for a problem that does not exist!  No absolutely not.  Dolly Parton donated one million dollars to the Moderna vaccine research and she is 75 yo.  Dolly was eligible as soon as that vaccine was available in Dec.  She opted NOT to do it so more priority people could get it before her, she got it last week, good on her and good on Pfizer CEO!!!

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2 hours ago, James4me said:

Have you read that the CEO of Pfizer has not received the vaccine.  His excuse is he doesn’t want to cut in line 🤣.  What BS.  You’re the CEO of Pfizer,?don’t you think he would be one of the firsts to get it.  Hey if a ship is sinking the captain is the last to leave or go down with his ship. CEO of Pfizer should assure people by example and get the vaccine!  

Just no.  You're looking for something that isn't there.  If anything, the Captain going down with the ship means putting those more vulnerable ahead of himself.  

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3 hours ago, LGW59 said:

You seem to be looking for a problem that does not exist!  No absolutely not.  Dolly Parton donated one million dollars to the Moderna vaccine research and she is 75 yo.  Dolly was eligible as soon as that vaccine was available in Dec.  She opted NOT to do it so more priority people could get it before her, she got it last week, good on her and good on Pfizer CEO!!!

If you say so.  Go for it Dolly! I personally am going to hold off on this rushed thru concocted vaccine. 

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10 hours ago, Incognito1 said:

Which cruisers would not be happy, other than those wanting to make choices for others? And, regarding the ports, I'm guessing most will open up out of sheer economic necessity.  But we'll see.  It's not our decision.

After a year of this, you still don’t get that this is not all about you!  It is about all the others around you and your statement about only obese people getting it is beyond ignorant.  Many have died and had long term illness that are not obese.  You must live in a hole if you don’t know any.  I do.

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