If Royal Requires A Covid-19 Vaccine Before Cruising Will You Get It???

[sjb317]

48 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

 

Watched a story on the news tonight where someone with an ALS drug wants to forego phase 3 and get it out to public right away. 

 

No complaints😉

Imagine that

There is a difference between a drug for ALS and a vaccine for Covid.   ALS a fatal disease that currently has no cure.  I would imagine that someone with ALS would not want to wait on phase 3 testing to see if it is safe for them as it may be the miracle they are waiting for.

 

The Covid vaccine will be given to healthy people. Do you really want to give a vaccine  that has not gone through rigorous testing for safety?

 

Sherri🙂

 

Edited September 3, 2020 by sjb317

[Sunshine3601]

Here is an interesting article.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/scientists-see-downsides-top-covid-19-vaccines-russia-china%3famp

[John&LaLa]

33 minutes ago, sjb317 said:

There is a difference between a drug for ALS and a vaccine for Covid.   ALS a fatal disease that currently has no cure.  I would imagine that someone with ALS would not want to wait on phase 3 testing to see if it is safe for them as it may be the miracle they are waiting for.

 

The Covid vaccine will be given to healthy people. Do you really want to give a vaccine  that has not gone through rigorous testing for safety?

 

Sherri🙂

 

 

Trials began in May. Has anyone died yet?

[Sunshine3601]

We all want a vaccine that is going to work and work for long term not a couple of months.  And would be nice to have one maybe 75% effective not slap it together throw it out there to general public and see what happens.  

I agree something is better than nothing but what happens if some people rush to get first one available and a better one comes along a couple months later.  Those that got the earliest version probably wont be able to get the better version.

I think I read that people who are currently part of the trials for the various vaccines will not be able to get another version of the vaccine as they wont know the side effects of someone taking a test vaccine then the actual approved vaccine.

Anyway.  I'm not rushing to take any new vaccine the moment is released.  I will wait and see just like I will do when cruises out of us ports restarts.  I will wait and see.  Better safe than sorry.

[mek]

1 hour ago, sjb317 said:

There is a difference between a drug for ALS and a vaccine for Covid.   ALS a fatal disease that currently has no cure.  I would imagine that someone with ALS would not want to wait on phase 3 testing to see if it is safe for them as it may be the miracle they are waiting for.

 

The Covid vaccine will be given to healthy people. Do you really want to give a vaccine  that has not gone through rigorous testing for safety?

 

Sherri🙂

 

I guess that depends on what you consider to be rigorous testing for safety.  If phase 3 trials aren't enough for you - at what point do you accept any vaccine is safe?

[yogimax]

2 hours ago, Sunshine3601 said:

Very true.     I looked online and apparently the russian scientists would Not allow for the vaccine to be given to their citizens until it is fully tested too.    So their leader is pushing his warp speed program for their testing to be done to get their vaccine released this fall (the race is on).     Not a race I want to be part of.   I want it done right so that it works for the majority of the population in the world.    

Well said and thank you for reminding us that we are global citizens as well as citizens of America.

[BND]

14 hours ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Trials began in May. Has anyone died yet?

Nope and those that have had reactions have had very mild ones, similar to what some get with the flu vaccine, aches, mild fevers.

[rich_cathybrock]

Most definitely, and I am happy to sail under that constraint.  It's the only one which reasonably negates all the other potential "solutions" including reductions to attendance at shows, in bars, casinos, restaurants, etc. that would severely diminish the experience.  Goes without saying the mask stays home once there is a vaccine!  I prefer to forego the weird tan lines! 

[TheMastodon]

On 9/1/2020 at 2:46 PM, cbowls30 said:

Good point. We're in the UK and I'm guessing the vaccine we will get (eventually) could be different in that it's produced by another organisation that's not in the USA also tested differently etc etc I'm seriously starting to think it could be many years before we get to visit the USA that we love!

Hmm.  Ok
 

 

18 hours ago, Sunshine3601 said:

Yup - amazing isn't it.     I amazed at that number and the reporting of very little new cases since early spring.

 

If you believe that in the first place.  Never forget they were the ones who suppressed info and got THE WORLD into this mess. 

[Sunshine3601]

29 minutes ago, TheMastodon said:

Hmm.  Ok
 

 

 

If you believe that in the first place.  Never forget they were the ones who suppressed info and got THE WORLD into this mess. 

Yes, my post was being sarcastic about china's covid figures.

[TheMastodon]

30 minutes ago, Sunshine3601 said:

Yes, my post was being sarcastic about china's covid figures.

My bad!!

 

 

[docksider21]

Even a vaccine that did not provide complete immunity, but reduced one's likelihood of infection, and/or reduced the severity and duration of the disease would be a great help.

[Dennis#1]

4 hours ago, docksider21 said:

Even a vaccine that did not provide complete immunity, but reduced one's likelihood of infection, and/or reduced the severity and duration of the disease would be a great help.

Well said.  

[Silver Syd]

Of course we'd get the vaccine but only after it's proven to be safe and I doubt that Royal Caribbean would want otherwise.  We plan on getting the Flu Shot as soon as it's available.   And hopefully the safe, tested covid shot will be available before cruise time.  

[Esmerelda]

That’s a no for me and my husband.  We are both immune compromised.  I tried a flu shot about 10 years ago. I ended up in the ER very ill (actually admitted). That was the only time in my life I have ever had a flu shot (required for my job). I will never do that again. My husband has never had a flu shot and he is 60.  Vaccines are simply not for everyone. (I work in healthcare).  If this is a requirement to cruise, we will be done. 

[John&LaLa]

7 hours ago, Silver Syd said:

Of course we'd get the vaccine but only after it's proven to be safe and I doubt that Royal Caribbean would want otherwise.  We plan on getting the Flu Shot as soon as it's available.   And hopefully the safe, tested covid shot will be available before cruise time.  

 

Flu shot seems to be available in FL now.

 

I know folks down here that get it for the $10 Publix gift card

Edited September 4, 2020 by John&LaLa

[Charles4515]

 
Flu shot seems to be available in FL now.
 
I know folks down here that get it for the $10 Publix gift card

I have been getting it at my doctors office. Called them up Wednesday and they don’t have it yet. Said to call back in a couple of weeks.


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[Sunshine3601]

26 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Flu shot seems to be available in FL now.

 

I know folks down here that get it for the $10 Publix gift card

I just heard on my local morning news this years flu shot will be available october 1st.  Is that just our area?  I'm in PA and NJ.

[John&LaLa]

17 minutes ago, Sunshine3601 said:

I just heard on my local morning news this years flu shot will be available october 1st.  Is that just our area?  I'm in PA and NJ.

 

I'll stop by CVS this morning and verify

[Keksie]

I got my flu shot last week and it was free with medicare.  I got it at Walgreens in NW Florida.

 

[mek]

33 minutes ago, Sunshine3601 said:

I just heard on my local morning news this years flu shot will be available october 1st.  Is that just our area?  I'm in PA and NJ.

Flu shots are available here at Kroger, Walgreens, and CVS, but on the news they were saying to wait until mid September to get the shot in order for it to last the entire flu season.  I'm getting mine next week.  

Edited September 4, 2020 by mek

[BND]

15 hours ago, docksider21 said:

Even a vaccine that did not provide complete immunity, but reduced one's likelihood of infection, and/or reduced the severity and duration of the disease would be a great help.

And, in reality, that is the purpose of the Covid vaccine.  If you knew that by getting the vaccine that the most you would get is cold like symptoms, that would more than be worth it, which is what they are expecting from the vaccine.  Flu vaccine does the same.  I've had the full blown flu before starting to get the vaccine and last Jan for the first time since I've been getting the shot (23 years) I actually caught the flu, but a very, very mild version.  It's the same idea.

 

We're getting our flu shots in a couple of weeks.  Worst reaction I've ever had was a very sore arm with a swollen area around the shot.

Edited September 4, 2020 by BND

[Sunshine3601]

1 hour ago, Sunshine3601 said:

I just heard on my local morning news this years flu shot will be available october 1st.  Is that just our area?  I'm in PA and NJ.

I am incorrect.  Apparently my local news was saying it is suggested everyone get flu shot by october 1st.  Sorry I was getting ready for work and thought I heard not available til Oct 1st.

We usually get it end of october every year.

[NJ&Ozzie]

Curious about this - why are these vaccine manufacturers getting a "liability exemption" for their vaccines?  Article says the exemption would last four years.  Don't get this.

NJ

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-07-30/astrazeneca-to-be-exempt-from-coronavirus-vaccine-liability-claims-in-most-countries

 

[time4u2go]

29 minutes ago, NJ&Ozzie said:

Curious about this - why are these vaccine manufacturers getting a "liability exemption" for their vaccines?  Article says the exemption would last four years.  Don't get this.

NJ

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-07-30/astrazeneca-to-be-exempt-from-coronavirus-vaccine-liability-claims-in-most-countries

 

The article pretty well explains why:

 

"This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects," Ruud Dobber, a member of Astra's senior executive team, told Reuters.

 

"In the contracts we have in place, we are asking for indemnification. For most countries it is acceptable to take that risk on their shoulders because it is in their national interest," he said, adding that Astra and regulators were making safety and tolerability a top priority.