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7 hours ago, DavidJay2 said:

The wiki on ship-breaking suggested $400 a ton.  Based on 5300 DWT (dead weight tons), that would be about $21M.  So apparently they are willing to sell her for $20M to someone who will use her vs. breaking her up.

Didn't it used to be 50 000 000 and they dropped the price down to 30 000 000? That's how I read the add.

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6 hours ago, Pratique said:

I know but let's face it Royal is a mass market cruise line. Focus on what you do best. I remember a thread comparing Royal to McDonald's and that raised a bit of a stir. But how many people will miss Empress if she leaves? (It's a rhetorical question lol) Not many. She represents a niche for nostalgia and small ships. If it turns out post-pandemic that the large ships become the dinosaurs and small ships can make a resurgence then I don't really see any place for Empress given her age. Or if the large ships return to being the money-makers what's her place in the grand scheme. Like I said I dunno. Just thinking out loud.

 

Since RCL developed over the years into a mass market product with always more focus of having the ship being the destination, hence also a large revenue space, ships smaller than 3000 passengers (or even larger) do not fit into the business model of this brand anymore. For the ones that are looking at unique itinararies with stops in places such as Montreal, St. George etc., this is part of thre luxury segment now a days, hence Silversea in the case of RCL.

 

I can see RCL to consider to replace the Radiance Class eventually with a few ships that could to the same Alaska itinararies and some select Asia Pacific + cruises departing from ports such as Baltimore for 3000 passengers +- that would fullfill requirements to fit into those ports but here we have still time for another 5-10 years until this would happen.

 

Anyway it is still uncertain how the cruise inustry willl change after COVID and I also wouldn't be suprised if the trend will still see large ships but maybe maximum in sizeof Icon Class.

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Would't disagree that none of us know what cruising would be like post Covi d but signs were there pre Covi d that bigger ships were maybe not going to be the way forward

Venice & Amsterdam were already trying to limit cruise passengers,who knows how many others may have been considering similar actions,post Covi d trying for any form of social distancing on port calls may be difficult with large passenger numbers.

Does that leave a requirement for smaller ships or just reducing passenger numbers on the current large ships,if the latter I wonder how they would try to utilize the space left by fewer passengers to make money out of the lower number of passengers

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14 minutes ago, snaefell said:

Would't disagree that none of us know what cruising would be like post Covi d but signs were there pre Covi d that bigger ships were maybe not going to be the way forward

I had that sense too but they were still betting on the mega ships. Look at the Oasis refurb that added even more cabins and plans to do the same to Allure. I thought that Oasis 6 would be the last of that size anyway but clearly the cruise lines were all going bigger.

 

The question is whether they can consistently turn a profit by running these ships at 60% capacity for awhile. If so that might be the trend for the future. Maybe more public space and fewer cabins. I could live with that.

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5 hours ago, LXA350 said:

 

Anyway it is still uncertain how the cruise inustry willl change after COVID and I also wouldn't be suprised if the trend will still see large ships but maybe maximum in sizeof Icon Class.

 

How much do we know about Icon. Specifically size and shape? Will it follow Oasis with interior open space, or will it be a bigger Quantum?

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15 hours ago, CKBob said:

Oceania has three Cruise in July 2021 to ports of St George and Hamilton , Bermuda.  Still pulling for the Empress of the Sea to make it to Bermuda in 2021.  Our 2020 cruise was canceled to Bermuda on Empress.  Took the credit and I'm hoping to use the125% credit.

 

Sailing into Hamilton & St George is really nice and just walking off the ship to explore beats the hassle of getting there, so, yes, I'm hoping the Empress stays around. Plus while other cruise lines with small ships have St George & Hamilton on their itineraries, I'd prefer to stay with RC and my Diamond perks! 

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40 minutes ago, ecslady said:

 

Sailing into Hamilton & St George is really nice and just walking off the ship to explore beats the hassle of getting there, so, yes, I'm hoping the Empress stays around. Plus while other cruise lines with small ships have St George & Hamilton on their itineraries, I'd prefer to stay with RC and my Diamond perks! 

Yes me too.with the financial strain with RC, I cant see them selling empress and loosing that money going to those ports in Bermuda 

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56 minutes ago, ecslady said:

 

Sailing into Hamilton & St George is really nice and just walking off the ship to explore beats the hassle of getting there, so, yes, I'm hoping the Empress stays around. Plus while other cruise lines with small ships have St George & Hamilton on their itineraries, I'd prefer to stay with RC and my Diamond perks! 

First cruise (back in 1981) was NYC to Bermuda with stops in St. George and Hamilton on the HAL Volendam. 100+ cruise later, and that one is still our favorite cruise.

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13 minutes ago, keyboardjunkie said:

I looked on Yachtworld.com but could not find the Empress listed as 'for sale' as of today.  Might that have been an old listing done before her Cuba days (or was my search not thorough enough)?

Does anyone really think that Royal Caribbean has listed the ship for sale on a website like Yachtworld?  Isn't it much more likely that some random ship broker is trying to drum up business for the cost of a cheap online advertisement?

 

I know that happens with aircraft.

 

Tom

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7 minutes ago, Extra Kim said:

I don't get the logic with Skoda, they are made in the Czech Republic.

 

They need steel from somewhere, Turkey is close. 😉

Plus, its just funny. 

 

I mean saying Honda, Hyundai, or Toyota would be boring

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1 hour ago, John&LaLa said:

 

They need steel from somewhere, Turkey is close. 😉

Plus, its just funny. 

 

I mean saying Honda, Hyundai, or Toyota would be boring

Since VW took them over the Skoda jokes have disappeared

Like the heated rear window is for keeping your hands warm when you push it. 

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5 minutes ago, CruisingFA said:

I think empress stays and majesty goes. Grandeur will go to New Orleans to replace majesty and empress stays on the normal sailings.

 

The one thing Her Majesty has going for her is sheer passenger capacity. She holds more than any Vision ship, including the stretched Enchantment.  

 

Grandeur is barely bigger than Empress, but she does have more revenue generating a pace

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40 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

I was just mentioning to Laura how surprised I was that VW bounced back so quick from DieselGate

 

Forget Dieselgate, there are two VW in the garage that require my constant attention.   We have vowed never again.  Fortunately there are thousands of YouTube videos given the tendency for issues.   

 

28 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

The one thing Her Majesty has going for her is sheer passenger capacity. She holds more than any Vision ship, including the stretched Enchantment.  

 

The devil's in the details.  More suites on Vision class.  94 to 63 on MJ.  (Empress has 69)

 

Balconies on Vision class (136 of them) garner a premium.   With no balcony cabins on Majesty (except suites) that's a con in the comparison as well.  Bigger OV and Interior cabins on Vision class to seal the deal.

 

The disjointed layout of Majesty has got to mess with newbies.  You can't get there from here, try another deck.  No that tween deck isn't for awkward teenagers.  

 

While Sovereign class where game changers in their day that led to what cruising is today and while I appreciate their historical significance, their day has passed. 

 

EDIT - Vision class has a DL and a CL for the slam dunk.

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