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20 hours ago, Himself said:

Now that they have changed the name on the new build, I think they should change the name of the NIEUW STATENDAM to just STATENDAM.   Any Reaction?

I agree wholeheartedly. Never liked having two "Nieuw" ships. Already some people are dropping the Nieuw from Statendam anyway.

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I am referring the NS as Statendam already. Nieuw Statendam is ridiculous and an invention by someone NOT Dutch or Flemish, locked in an office cubicle.

 

Nieuw Amsterdam is appropriate however, with a long naming tradition within HAL and refers to current New York City.

 

 

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2 hours ago, catl331 said:

I agree wholeheartedly. Never liked having two "Nieuw" ships. Already some people are dropping the Nieuw from Statendam anyway.

Nieuw Amsterdam makes sense because that is what the Dutch called Manhattan Island when the purchased it from the Native Americans.  That ship has a New York flavor to it.  Nieuw Statendam makes no sense.

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7 hours ago, NordicPrince said:

I think this is funny. Many of the old timers swore they would never get on a Pinnacle class ship because they don't have a full wrap around promenade or because they are too gigantic or too humongous for them.

 

Now, change the name to something which is historical to HAL and they're all willing to jump onboard.

 

 

I'm not an old timer to HAL, but have been cruising since the early 1960's, and started sailing on HAL about 20 years ago, mostly for work. I've taken one leisure cruise on HAL. 

 

Despite the name change, I'm still not a fan of massive passenger capacity, the lack of traditional amenities such as wrap around prom decks,. ample outdoor public space, and pools without movie screens.  So, I still have no interest in sailing on the  new Rotterdam, Kdam or NS. Those ships appeal to many people and I hope the ships will have long careers. Thankfully there's a ship and a cruise line for everyone ! 

 

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2 hours ago, Himself said:

Nieuw Amsterdam makes sense because that is what the Dutch called Manhattan Island when the purchased it from the Native Americans.  That ship has a New York flavor to it.  Nieuw Statendam makes no sense.

Maybe they should change the name to Ms. Amsterdam and built a Statendam and Rijndam on a later date..

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6 hours ago, PromenadeDeckWriter said:

Now if only they would fix the Promenade deck issue

 

What little I know seems to think that this issue on the newbuild will be different from the previous two Pinnacle Class ships.  What difference and how significant it may be, I have no idea.  

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1 hour ago, Sir PMP said:

Maybe they should change the name to Ms. Amsterdam and built a Statendam and Rijndam on a later date..

There have been several ships named  Nieuw Amsterdam.  A future ship could be named AMSTERDAM.  I  Would like to see HAL build two more Signature Class Ships.

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9 hours ago, Sir PMP said:

Not really, most of us don't like the big ones without a promenade deck, but since we are running out of small/medium size ships especially if the Zaandam and Volendam are leaving, the vista's offer not much and getting old too than the new Rotterdam will become our only good choice for a cruise, if they make this a true flagship..

 

What makes a "true" flagship?

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4 hours ago, Boatdrill said:

I'm not an old timer to HAL, but have been cruising since the early 1960's, and started sailing on HAL about 20 years ago, mostly for work. I've taken one leisure cruise on HAL. 

 

Despite the name change, I'm still not a fan of massive passenger capacity, the lack of traditional amenities such as wrap around prom decks,. ample outdoor public space, and pools without movie screens.  So, I still have no interest in sailing on the  new Rotterdam, Kdam or NS. Those ships appeal to many people and I hope the ships will have long careers. Thankfully there's a ship and a cruise line for everyone ! 

 

You should check your facts before posting some of this incorrect information. For example, the Pinnacle class ships have very nice movie screens by the main pool under the Magrodome. Every day at 4 P.M. on the Koningsdam they would show a lovely nature series to enjoy during Happy Hour. 

The Pinnacle class hold 2600 passengers. This is far from massive passenger capacity, Comparatively the S-class vessels of Celebrity hold from 3100 to 3500 passengers and range in the 122,000 to 130,000 GRT range. RCL Oasis class hold over 6200 passengers which to most people is way too big.

There is deck space to walk on an outside deck on the Pinnacle class ships. It is just different from what old time HAL cruisers think of. A promenade similar to previous 

ships would require a complete redesign of the life boats and the dining area.

There is ample outdoor public space as featured under the Magrodome and in the back of the ships by the aft pool area.

I think the ship designers have come up with a way to limit the size of the Pinnacle ships from what it could be to something that expands upon the limitations of the smaller vessels.

The only cruise line that features smaller modern ships is Viking. I have been on them and they have a wonderful product but you pay 3 times more for it. You also get some more amenities included.

HAL is not going to go that way; you might as well get used to it.

 

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1 hour ago, NordicPrince said:

You should check your facts before posting some of this incorrect information. For example, the Pinnacle class ships have very nice movie screens by the main pool under the Magrodome. Every day at 4 P.M. on the Koningsdam they would show a lovely nature series to enjoy during Happy Hour. 

The Pinnacle class hold 2600 passengers. This is far from massive passenger capacity, Comparatively the S-class vessels of Celebrity hold from 3100 to 3500 passengers and range in the 122,000 to 130,000 GRT range. RCL Oasis class hold over 6200 passengers which to most people is way too big.

There is deck space to walk on an outside deck on the Pinnacle class ships. It is just different from what old time HAL cruisers think of. A promenade similar to previous 

ships would require a complete redesign of the life boats and the dining area.

There is ample outdoor public space as featured under the Magrodome and in the back of the ships by the aft pool area.

I think the ship designers have come up with a way to limit the size of the Pinnacle ships from what it could be to something that expands upon the limitations of the smaller vessels.

The only cruise line that features smaller modern ships is Viking. I have been on them and they have a wonderful product but you pay 3 times more for it. You also get some more amenities included.

HAL is not going to go that way; you might as well get used to it.

 

Come on, the promenade is a joke, if you want to walk it you have to hope everyone goes the same way as significant portions of the “pathway” are about two feet wide.  Plus there is no where to sit on it.  It’s a promenade in name only.  I suspect Oceania, Azamara, Regent, Silverseas, Hurtengruten among others will be surprised that their ships did not the smaller modern ship list.  HAL is what it is, I get that but there are many other options for those that want a smaller ship.

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3 hours ago, NordicPrince said:

You should check your facts before posting some of this incorrect information. For example, the Pinnacle class ships have very nice movie screens by the main pool under the Magrodome. Every day at 4 P.M. on the Koningsdam they would show a lovely nature series to enjoy during Happy Hour. 

The Pinnacle class hold 2600 passengers. This is far from massive passenger capacity, Comparatively the S-class vessels of Celebrity hold from 3100 to 3500 passengers and range in the 122,000 to 130,000 GRT range. RCL Oasis class hold over 6200 passengers which to most people is way too big.

There is deck space to walk on an outside deck on the Pinnacle class ships. It is just different from what old time HAL cruisers think of. A promenade similar to previous 

ships would require a complete redesign of the life boats and the dining area.

There is ample outdoor public space as featured under the Magrodome and in the back of the ships by the aft pool area.

I think the ship designers have come up with a way to limit the size of the Pinnacle ships from what it could be to something that expands upon the limitations of the smaller vessels.

The only cruise line that features smaller modern ships is Viking. I have been on them and they have a wonderful product but you pay 3 times more for it. You also get some more amenities included.

HAL is not going to go that way; you might as well get used to it.

 

No, what you like, a movie screen with a stupid nature series, I saw them on the Koningsdam, is not what we are looking for..

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We saw Bohemian Rhapsody on Koningsdam and really liked the open-air vibe, combined with comfy loungers and snacks. For us, much better than the cramped cinemas of yore that reminded me of porn cinemas of the seventies 😏.

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We were on KDM during the play offs for Superbowl (or whatever you call them!) and there was a party by the pool and the game shown on the big screen.  There was a good atmosphere, but still plenty of available space to pass for those who were not interested.

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We've sailed on the K'dam and the NS (2x). We enjoy the promenade and would take walks there almost every morning and evening.  We've never had an issue with the "tight squeeze" around some areas.

 

I do like that I don't have to dodge the deck chairs and find it's a very quiet area to walk with lots to view.  We only hold our nose around the doggie toilet area but that's really not necessary!

 

It works perfectly for us.  

 

When we want a shady place to lay down, we go to our balcony if it's the right time of the day or we use those really comfortable huge sofas above the lido deck. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, FlaMariner said:

We've sailed on the K'dam and the NS (2x). We enjoy the promenade and would take walks there almost every morning and evening.  We've never had an issue with the "tight squeeze" around some areas.

 

I do like that I don't have to dodge the deck chairs and find it's a very quiet area to walk with lots to view.  We only hold our nose around the doggie toilet area but that's really not necessary!

 

It works perfectly for us.  

 

When we want a shady place to lay down, we go to our balcony if it's the right time of the day or we use those really comfortable huge sofas above the lido deck. 

 

 

There's no reasoning with the old-timers about this. They have their minds made up that they do not like the Pinnacle class because it's not exactly what they are used to with the HAL of yesteryear.

 

That's OK, more room for DW and I on our future Pinnacle class cruises.

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9 minutes ago, NordicPrince said:

There's no reasoning with the old-timers about this. They have their minds made up that they do not like the Pinnacle class because it's not exactly what they are used to with the HAL of yesteryear.

 

That's OK, more room for DW and I on our future Pinnacle class cruises.

Yea be careful, someone may have a different opinion on something but if they do you can always resort to name calling 🙄

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10 hours ago, KirkNC said:

Come on, the promenade is a joke, if you want to walk it you have to hope everyone goes the same way as significant portions of the “pathway” are about two feet wide.  Plus there is no where to sit on it.  It’s a promenade in name only.  I suspect Oceania, Azamara, Regent, Silverseas, Hurtengruten among others will be surprised that their ships did not the smaller modern ship list.  HAL is what it is, I get that but there are many other options for those that want a smaller ship.

I agree that the promenade is not as wide as on the other class ships.  the life boats hog too much room.

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I am amazed with all of the combined knowledge that is expressed on CC that no one mentions that the design change of the Pinnacle Class Promenade deck is due to SOLAS regulation changes required for lifeboats, later than the Nieuw Amsterdam completion. Access required for the lifeboats have been changed from earlier designs which now require lower positioning of the davits. Lifeboats must be able to fall when a 15 degree list either side is constant. This contributed to the 2012 disaster of the Costa Concordia where only 23 of 26 lifeboats were able to launch as three on the port side could not launch due to the ship's list.  Also included in the updated design regulations are the requirement for disabled passenger, including access in case of an emergency. Hopefully the lifeboats never need to be utilized for their intended purpose.

 

Also by definition a Promenade Deck is for walking, thus "Promenading." There are the deck benches on the Pinnacle class for life vest storage that can be used for short-term sitting. Yes, the view from the Promenade Deck is limited. But there are gaps that can be utilized and the large open starboard rail by the Dutch Cafe and corresponding port side rail. When we sailed on the Nieuw Statendam last year we found that we would just sightsee more from the Sun Deck. This was exceptional for the stunning views of the erupting volcano on Stromboli where the captain did a "Glacier-view" turn.

 

We are looking forward to our next year's cruise on the new Rotterdam. For those that do require the HAL Promenade the four Vista, two Signature, and currently two remaining Rotterdam classes still have them.

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26 minutes ago, Heartgrove said:

design change of the Pinnacle Class Promenade deck is due to SOLAS regulation changes required for lifeboats,

 There are other ships that have been built recently with a (shady walkable AND sittable) promenade deck, even with the new lifeboat regulations. Wouldn't be a far stretch to build one above the lifeboats as it has been done on other ships. I still want my steamer chairs in the shade and not at the top of the ship (plus one cannot touch the wall of the Panama Canal from the top deck as they could do on the Vista and Signature class ships and that is one perk i loved!) 

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