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50 minutes ago, cruise47 said:

This is not good news for the cruise industry. Are the cruise passengers going to tested for COVID-19.

That is going to be the big question ?

 

Will they be able to trace all of them quickly...on ships involved and going forward will "rapid" testing be required before passengers and crew are allowed to board..?

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11 minutes ago, hcat said:

 

Will they be able to trace all of them quickly...on ships involved and going forward will "rapid" testing be required before passengers and crew are allowed to board..?

 

and disembark?

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This a continued reminder that the virus can be almost anywhere.  People will continue to test positive and there will be outbreaks even in countries that have done a great job to date.  Outside of vaccine-acquired herd immunity in the future, this will continue to happen here and there.  In this instance I hope everybody will be OK and recover.  But it does put a bullseye back on cruising.  So to resume cruising we need well developed procedures on ships with full buy-in and agreement from ports and countries on how to handle the occasional cases all the way to full outbreaks.   It is not just masks and social distancing.   There needs to be some actual acknowledgement that positive cases are to be expected and most will be just that - positive cases.  And there will need to be a plan on ship and in port for positive cases vs. the subset of those with COVID symptoms that need medical treatment.   Or even evacuation if necessary.  

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37 minutes ago, TeeRick said:

This a continued reminder that the virus can be almost anywhere.  People will continue to test positive and there will be outbreaks even in countries that have done a great job to date.  Outside of vaccine-acquired herd immunity in the future, this will continue to happen here and there.  In this instance I hope everybody will be OK and recover.  But it does put a bullseye back on cruising.  So to resume cruising we need well developed procedures on ships with full buy-in and agreement from ports and countries on how to handle the occasional cases all the way to full outbreaks.   It is not just masks and social distancing.   There needs to be some actual acknowledgement that positive cases are to be expected and most will be just that - positive cases.  And there will need to be a plan on ship and in port for positive cases vs. the subset of those with COVID symptoms that need medical treatment.   Or even evacuation if necessary.  

Agreed. But it is a fascinating study of the “Tale of two cruises”. TUI versus Hurtigruten. One with no Covid cases and the other with many.

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I understand 'crew' contracted the virus, but where?  Allowed off the ship in which port, etc?  Has someone translated?  Can't read the story and the gist is probably important to many of us considering future sailings.

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Yikes! They knew they had positive cases among the crew and they let the passengers off in port to roam around freely?! Am I reading that correctly?! I suspect this will be a major setback for the resumption of cruising....ports will certainly think twice about reopening to cruise ships. 😳

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18 minutes ago, oceangoer2 said:

I understand 'crew' contracted the virus, but where?  Allowed off the ship in which port, etc?  Has someone translated?  Can't read the story and the gist is probably important to many of us considering future sailings.

 

Most likely would be a passenger as they are not tested prior to boarding.

 

 

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The Hurtigruten ship is very very small.  Multiply the problem by 20x 30x as many people.  This does not bode well for US cruises starting up.  

Agree- almost certainly shows without a vaccine no protocols really work and cruising is not advisable. Well, time for me to cancel my 1/30/21 cruise now that I can see the future.


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33 minutes ago, oceangoer2 said:

I understand 'crew' contracted the virus, but where?  Allowed off the ship in which port, etc?  Has someone translated?  Can't read the story and the gist is probably important to many of us considering future sailings.

Try this:

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/33-crew-infected-hurtigruten-ship-160855564.html

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2 hours ago, PTC DAWG said:

Any symptoms?  More and more, people are asymptomatic.....

 

 

I am not sure how that is germane. 

Asymptomatic can infect others.

Presymptomatic can infect others.

 

The cruise industry, I am afraid, is in even more trouble than we have thought.  There were extensive preparations for these first sailings and look what happened.

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I am not sure how that is germane. 

Asymptomatic can infect others.

Presymptomatic can infect others.

 

The cruise industry, I am afraid, is in even more trouble than we have thought.  There were extensive preparations for these first sailings and look what happened.

Based on all the protocols they did and traveler selection I can’t see the US CDC allowing cruises now until mid to late 2021. The winter and probably more is toast.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Dwight1 said:

Based on all the protocols they did and traveler selection I can’t see the US CDC allowing cruises now until mid to late 2021. The winter and probably more is toast.

 

 

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I think I agree.  We've already had 6 sailings either cancelled or Lifted and Shifted.  Now there are 2 more on the bubble, late January in Asia and an April crossing and May Italy intensive on Azamara.

Had some hope for April and May but that is rapidly being dashed.

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Alright, they had several sick crew.  Didn't know for sure it was covid but must have suspected, yet still allowed passengers to disembark without testing and return home.  Begs the question what should they have done?  Should they have locked down ship, quarantining passengers and crew for several days while testing everyone?  If so, would this be the procedure every time someone displays cold / flu symptoms?  Maybe so, but doubt cruises could operate under this scenario.

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14 minutes ago, Baron Barracuda said:

Alright, they had several sick crew.  Didn't know for sure it was covid but must have suspected, yet still allowed passengers to disembark without testing and return home.  Begs the question what should they have done?  Should they have locked down ship, quarantining passengers and crew for several days while testing everyone?  If so, would this be the procedure every time someone displays cold / flu symptoms?  Maybe so, but doubt cruises could operate under this scenario.

Option 3:  Not sailed.

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