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1 minute ago, time4u2go said:

You are not being told that you cannot go on a cruise.  The cruise lines are being told that they cannot cruise from various ports until they have addressed some requirements.  If the cruise lines were operating, you could go on them.

 

How dare the government shut down cruises during a pandemic!  

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11 minutes ago, PattiHere said:

....People can protest and gather in large groups, but yet I am told I cannot go on a cruise ship...

 

As mentioned above, you are free to cruise as you like, no one is stopping you.  The only cruise to sail out of the US was the UnCruise out of Alaska (under 250 passengers, not under CDC regulations) which had to turn back around due to a Covid19 case. The large over 250 passengers cruise ships are under a no-sail order and now have voluntarily chosen to suspend operations until October 31, 2020.  So it is not that you can not -- it's that the cruise lines can not. 

 

Outside of the US, the only cruise line that was allowing Americans was the Paul Gaugin in Tahiti and that is not happening now that they had a Covid19 case as well.  Many countries and cruise lines of those countries are closed to Americans.  The two I mentioned were the only options open to Americans and now there are none.  River and lake cruises as well as private yachting might be our only alternatives for a long while... 

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4 hours ago, PattiHere said:

 

I agree with you. People can protest and gather in large groups, but yet I am told I cannot go on a cruise ship.  What buffet restaurant on land makes everyone wash their hands before going to the buffet.  What hotels do you see people in the public areas constantly cleaning.  I have been on over 30 cruises, never gotten sick.  I faithfully wash my hands.  I agree with your opinion, we are not telling people to go on a cruise, they do not have to go, but I am told I cannot go on a cruise because I may make them sick.  Please tell that to all the people I see out and about going on with their lives, should we all just lockdown, that isn't healthy, either emotionally or physically.   I am 73 and cruising is my enjoyment in my remaining years, I hope I can cruise again soon.   We need to go on living not waiting and worrying about dying, no one is leaving this world alive.   

Protesting in large groups out in the open outdoors with room to roam and walk is very much different than a large group confined to a ship with indoor spaces.  Besides, we've seen what happens when we try and stop these protests.  On the other hand, I don't see large mobs gathering to demand to board a cruise ship.

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Anyone can get it. It's real. People are dying or having long term health consquences. More people will die with folk not believing, not wearing masks, not social distancing. Sometimes it takes being affected personally for folk to be convinced. I don't wish that on anyone.

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7 hours ago, Iamcruzin said:

This is point on. Everything else you just wasted your time typing as it has been repeated verbatim and people just won't accept it 6 months into the pandemic after seeing results of places that have complied with CDC recommendations. I commend the cruise lines that were brave enough to start up early. It proved that it's too soon to allow cruising. I may have missed it but I didn't see any media hype covering the story of the cruise ship covid cases. I received the information on CC. Maybe the media hype only played out in Europe.

The thing we all have in common is our passion for cruising.  I should be packing right now for our flight to Venice and eventually hop on the Edge in Rome for a Greek Isles cruise.  Discouraging to say the least that a cruise out of Norway, a country that seemed to have things under control would have so many positive cases.  Hoping for some better news from the cruises out of Germany.  Emphasizes the challenges that the cruise ship industry faces in attempting to provide a safe environment to its crew and passengers.

 

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Other cruise lines are trying.

 

FYI- Aida Cruises' previous plan was to start test voyages with AIDAmar and AIDAblu last week, however, they were postponed because ten crew members who were scheduled to join the ships tested positive for COVID-19, and later another case amount the crew was detected.

 

http://crew-center.com/aida-starts-test-voyages-scheduled-cruises-canceled-until-mid-august

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9 hours ago, yogimax said:

Stop the shouting!  This is old news... from before COVID-19.

 

Indeed, it has nothing to do with Coronavirus.  Please stop passing along RW talking points and stop the insulting large print which simply makes you look small!

 

 

Indeed, nothing to do with the Rona, but it does reinforce the rampant fraud on the reporting and money side of big medicine. Isn't that what @Wine-O was eluding to. 

 

Didn't realize Bloomberg was RW

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8 hours ago, yogimax said:

Stop the shouting!  This is old news... from before COVID-19.

 

Indeed, it has nothing to do with Coronavirus.  Please stop passing along RW talking points and stop the insulting large print which simply makes you look small!

 

He's not shouting.  He's just providing proof you and someone else asked regarding fraud.  If you think there is no COVID-19 fraud, I don't think anyone can help you, but I do have some swamp land in LA that I would like to sell you.   😵🍷

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3 minutes ago, CSHS1979 said:

 

Indeed, nothing to do with the Rona, but it does reinforce the rampant fraud on the reporting and money side of big medicine. Isn't that what @Wine-O was eluding to. 

 

Didn't realize Bloomberg was RW

Who's "RW"?  🍷

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39 minutes ago, Biker19 said:

Yes, on a desktop browser the font size is about 4x the regular fonts used by others.

 

It was a screenshot on my phone. Sorry about that, but CC made a decicion to be mobile friendly.  I guess they came up short

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1 hour ago, CSHS1979 said:

 

Based on the OP, I assume he means Right Wing

RW is a hockey term.

 

In any case, I have seen many post that hospitals falsely labeled people as COVID-19 to receive an increased pay rate from the government.

 

I have an open mind and would love to see some proof of that claim.  So far, I have seen none.

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4 minutes ago, yogimax said:

RW is a hockey term.

 

In any case, I have seen many post that hospitals falsely labeled people as COVID-19 to receive an increased pay rate from the government.

 

I have an open mind and would love to see proof of that claim. So far I have seen none.

 

What are Hockey talking points then?

 

FWIW, I really wasn't responding to you. Others mentioned that fraud doesn't exist in the medical community. That just isn't the case.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, CSHS1979 said:

FWIW, I really wasn't responding to you. Others mentioned that fraud doesn't exist in the medical community. That just isn't the case.

 

 

Yes, fraud exists almost everywhere when money is involved.  Sure some fraud exists in the medical community.

 

But...

 

My question is specifically to those who claim that hospitals falsely labeled people as COVID-19 to receive an increased pay rate from the government.  

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22 minutes ago, yogimax said:

RW is a hockey term.

 

In any case, I have seen many post that hospitals falsely labeled people as COVID-19 to receive an increased pay rate from the government.

 

I have an open mind and would love to see some proof of that claim.  So far, I have seen none.

I do know this. Not permitted to share the document, but many hospitals who received Long Term Care patients who were positive and now are stable, can’t send them back to the LTC facilities.  They are getting paid for this service. Not sure it fits your criteria or not. 
 

M8

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2 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I do know this. Not permitted to share the document, but many hospitals who received Long Term Care patients who were positive and now are stable, can’t send them back to the LTC facilities.  They are getting paid for this service. Not sure it fits your criteria or not. 
 

M8

Not really.  What you describe is seems to be a requirement, not fraud.  Good info though!

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On 8/3/2020 at 12:05 PM, moda cruise said:

If vaccines become mandatory to cruise  This will be another blow for cruise lines  A lot of people do not trust vaccines 

I had a mild flu response over 30 years ago but I have never had a flu vaccine. Having said that, I will be first in line for the Covid vaccine. The quicker we achieve herd immunity from Covid, the quicker we can go back to a normal life, including being able to cruise and have normal sports with fans in the stands. We need to achieve herd immunity to get the economy back to normal. A vaccine is necessary to achieve herd immunity safely. I surely hope those who are anti-vaccine will look at the big picture with this Covid disease.

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3 hours ago, yogimax said:

Yes, fraud exists almost everywhere when money is involved.  Sure some fraud exists in the medical community.

 

But...

 

My question is specifically to those who claim that hospitals falsely labeled people as COVID-19 to receive an increased pay rate from the government.  

 

Like I said, wasn't answering your question.

 

But some folks say 'where there is smoke.......'😉

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On 8/4/2020 at 11:11 AM, TheMastodon said:

 

fear porn isnt it

 

 

the virus will run out of people to infect 

You are referring to "herd immunity". Without a vaccine, when we reach herd immunity in America, many more people will die. Those people will not have to die if we reach herd immunity with a vaccine.

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11 minutes ago, CSHS1979 said:

 

Like I said, wasn't answering your question.

 

But some folks say 'where there is smoke.......'😉

Hmm... My Lionel engine #2025 produced smoke... but there was no fire!

 

High Grade 1947 Lionel # 2025 Steam Locomotive w/ 2466WX + BOX

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58 minutes ago, yogimax said:

Not really.  What you describe is seems to be a requirement, not fraud.  Good info though!

Ok. A little experience here.  Some hospitals are required to see what is called “self pay” which really means no insurance so typically “no pay”. Doctors with privileges must see these patients. Those that are positive or show symptoms, even if the underlying reason for treatment is not COVID19,  are considered a COVID19 patient for payment purposes. 
 

Not sure you will be satisfied with this but can’t disclose anymore. 
 

M8

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