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32 minutes ago, ctjon said:

The whole PVSA thing was originally designed to protect the US ship building industry - did a lot of good in that regard.

Yes but that was in 1880's when America was a second rate industrial power and protectionism was the rule of the day.  It is time to repeal the law.

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Vince, I could be wrong but don't think the people were furloughed.  I think they were terminated.

 

All I would just add that advertising for applicants doesn't mean people were not called to see if they wanted to return (although I have no idea) but could also mean that people who were let go have found other employment.  

 

Keith

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2 hours ago, Keith1010 said:

Vince, I could be wrong but don't think the people were furloughed.  I think they were terminated.

 

All I would just add that advertising for applicants doesn't mean people were not called to see if they wanted to return (although I have no idea) but could also mean that people who were let go have found other employment.  

 

Keith

I know other lines did furloughs and then did terminate. 

 

Hopefully Crystal didn't lose too much talent amongst their people. If I remember correctly - they also closed an office so I doubt employees would move across the country for that job unless they were very high up.

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I feel like the PVSA is largely misunderstood...  It's really not aimed at the US cruise industry, and it isn't intentionally aimed at the construction of US cruise ships.  It's a pain in the neck for cruise lines, but cruise lines are largely a bycatch in this law.

 

The law is what protects virtually ALL passenger vessel transportation within domestic US points.  Think: anything sailing domestically that people get on and off of.  Ferries, casino boats, commercial leisure boats, etc.  It ensures that all of these businesses are subject to US labor laws, taxes, occupational safety, environmental regulations, etc..

 

It's easy to say we want the law repealed because it's inconvenient to the cruise industry, but the second we start making broad exceptions for the cruise industry, we'll start seeing unrelated domestic vessel operations start technically and miraculously fitting that exception. 

 

We want to be VERY specific and VERY strategic on who we exempt, and hopefully very temporary as well.

 

Vince

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5 minutes ago, Coral said:

I know other lines did furloughs and then did terminate. 

 

Hopefully Crystal didn't lose too much talent amongst their people. If I remember correctly - they also closed an office so I doubt employees would move across the country for that job unless they were very high up.

I hear you but don't think this was the case here.

 

Keith

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  • 3 weeks later...

Our Black sea Cruise was just cancelled. We were tying it into a small 38 person cruise of Croatia and then onto the Crystal Symphony on July 25. So sad, can not wait to cruise Crystal again!

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5 hours ago, kaliterri said:

Our Black sea Cruise was just cancelled. We were tying it into a small 38 person cruise of Croatia and then onto the Crystal Symphony on July 25. So sad, can not wait to cruise Crystal again!

So sorry about the cancellation but I am glad that Crystal is informing guests who have Symphony cruises booked for the next several months they are not happening. This way people know for sure and can determine alternate plans.  More importantly they are looking at 10 days cruises of the Caribbean which they can repeat similar to what they are doing with Serenity.  This will provide a cruise with a much higher chance it will actually happen.

 

I hope you are able to do the Europe cruises in the future.  Love sailing the area you had planned to cruise.

 

Keith

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New guidance from the CDC issued just moments ago stating that fully vaccinated people can travel.  

"For domestic travel, people who are two weeks past their final shot do not need to get a coronavirus test before or after trips and do not need to self-quarantine after travel. That means grandparents who are fully vaccinated can fly to visit their grandchildren without getting a coronavirus test or self-quarantining, provided they follow the other recommended public health measures, such as wearing masks on planes, buses, trains and other forms of public transportation.

For international travel, fully vaccinated people do not need to be tested before their trips unless it is required by the destination, the guidance says. For their return to the United States, fully vaccinated people should get tested and have a negative result before they board an international flight back to the United States."

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On 4/3/2021 at 7:04 AM, travelberlin said:

 

Here in Maryland, we just got my wife(OLoPP) her first "Fauci Ouchie."  It was at one of our mass vax sites in, of all things, the parking lot of an amusement park(seeing the tops of roller coasters close by was a nice dystopian touch.)  It was a drive up and get your shot set-up.  Took 1:21 from first wait in line to arm jab.  Not nothing, but not bad, considering the result.  I'd estimate 50-100 National Guard personnel directing traffic, keeping things moving in an orderly fashion, probably 50 or so med professionals administering doses.  Reminded me what we can do with a little organization and, also, leadership.  

 

It's not just a vaccine.  It's hope.

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6 minutes ago, KenzSailing said:

It's not just a vaccine.  It's hope.

 

Yep.  I hugged my daughter and grandkids for the first time in 13 months today.  

 

~Nancy

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1 hour ago, oakridger said:

 

Yep.  I hugged my daughter and grandkids for the first time in 13 months today.  

 

~Nancy

When they came to visit Friday and Saturday first time for us in 16 month before we saw them at Disney World before boarding Serenity. 

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Sure you have all read that Florida governor has banned use of computer apps to verify shots have been taken (on basis of privacy).   When cruises do Florida this will complicate process since you will have to have your paper card with you.  This is for all that do business in Florida.   My opinion this is anything to obstruct- if that worried don’t get an app if not do it the easy way. 
interesting to see how this develops 

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1 hour ago, ctjon said:

Sure you have all read that Florida governor has banned use of computer apps to verify shots have been taken (on basis of privacy).   When cruises do Florida this will complicate process since you will have to have your paper card with you.  This is for all that do business in Florida.   My opinion this is anything to obstruct- if that worried don’t get an app if not do it the easy way. 
interesting to see how this develops 

I suspect there will be many lawsuits to his "executive orders".  

IMHO what he is saying is nonsense.  A business just might say to use my business you need to present proof of vaccination.  That is their prerogative.  And why should "he" tell me I can't use an App if I know that there is always a risk of data getting out.  Isn't that my choice?  I thought on much of this stuff he keeps saying leave it up to the people such as why he doesn't believe in mask mandates.  So, why not lave it up to the people as to how to present the proof.  Oh well  I shouldn't try to use logic.  Where is Mr. Spock when we need him?

 

In the meantime, a card is the way to go plus scan the card and/or take photo of it.

 

Of course, near term not an issue for those sailing with Crystal Cruises since Florida is not part of any of the sailings.

 

Keith

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1 hour ago, ctjon said:

Sure you have all read that Florida governor has banned use of computer apps to verify shots have been taken (on basis of privacy).   When cruises do Florida this will complicate process since you will have to have your paper card with you.  This is for all that do business in Florida.   My opinion this is anything to obstruct- if that worried don’t get an app if not do it the easy way. 
interesting to see how this develops 

 

State governors haven't historically had much say over the paperwork requirements of international air and sea carriers.  There is a LOT of skepticism (to put it mildly) in the travel industry as to whether he legally can tell a cruise line that they cannot accept an internationally-recognized form of documentation at the port-level.  Not to mention, even that goes out the window in the off-chance the federal government actually does decide to embrace the vaccine passport concept in some way.

 

I totally agree, it will be entertaining if nothing else...

 

Vince

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2 hours ago, ctjon said:

Sure you have all read that Florida governor has banned use of computer apps to verify shots have been taken (on basis of privacy).   When cruises do Florida this will complicate process since you will have to have your paper card with you.  This is for all that do business in Florida.   My opinion this is anything to obstruct- if that worried don’t get an app if not do it the easy way. 
interesting to see how this develops 

But there is no problem with the State of Fl issuing Driver's Licenses that show a requirement to wear corrective lenses, or hand controls, or various other accommodations?   That seems to be a greater invasion of one's health related privacy than something that merely says "I''ve been vaccinated."   

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3 hours ago, BWIVince said:

 

State governors haven't historically had much say over the paperwork requirements of international air and sea carriers.  There is a LOT of skepticism (to put it mildly) in the travel industry as to whether he legally can tell a cruise line that they cannot accept an internationally-recognized form of documentation at the port-level.  Not to mention, even that goes out the window in the off-chance the federal government actually does decide to embrace the vaccine passport concept in some way.

 

I totally agree, it will be entertaining if nothing else...

 

Vince

I'm trying to understand the Governor's order, as it relates to this discussion.  According to CNN "The order prohibits any government entity from issuing vaccine passports and blocks businesses from requiring any such documentation."

 

I assume he is trying to say that a cruiseline sailing out of a Florida port can't ask for proof of vaccination at boarding, and because Crystal is a Florida business, it can't ask for proof before mailing the cruise tix (even for Endeavour sailing out of Iceland).  But is he also saying Floridians won't be able to prove they have had the vaccination when sailing out of NYC, for example, or for entry into the Bahamas?  Other jurisdictions may require a vaccine passport, and Floridians simply can't get one.  Am I missing something?

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10 minutes ago, crickette said:

I'm trying to understand the Governor's order, as it relates to this discussion.  According to CNN "The order prohibits any government entity from issuing vaccine passports and blocks businesses from requiring any such documentation."

 

I assume he is trying to say that a cruiseline sailing out of a Florida port can't ask for proof of vaccination at boarding, and because Crystal is a Florida business, it can't ask for proof before mailing the cruise tix (even for Endeavour sailing out of Iceland).  But is he also saying Floridians won't be able to prove they have had the vaccination when sailing out of NYC, for example, or for entry into the Bahamas?  Other jurisdictions may require a vaccine passport, and Floridians simply can't get one.  Am I missing something?

You are NOT missing anything.  He;s saying that he is not going to allow Florida residents to get a Vaccine Passport, and if other States, or businesses require it, too bad if you live in FL.  He can stop the Health Dept from providing the info needed to get a passport.       If the US requires Vaccine Passports to travel(which they haven't yet), there is no way this Order can be upheld in Court, as it severely restricts Interstate travel.   He can enforce it only within the State for travel solely within the State.  But even then I think there'd be some question as to its validity.    

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2 hours ago, crickette said:

I'm trying to understand the Governor's order, as it relates to this discussion.  According to CNN "The order prohibits any government entity from issuing vaccine passports and blocks businesses from requiring any such documentation."

 

I assume he is trying to say that a cruiseline sailing out of a Florida port can't ask for proof of vaccination at boarding, and because Crystal is a Florida business, it can't ask for proof before mailing the cruise tix (even for Endeavour sailing out of Iceland).  But is he also saying Floridians won't be able to prove they have had the vaccination when sailing out of NYC, for example, or for entry into the Bahamas?  Other jurisdictions may require a vaccine passport, and Floridians simply can't get one.  Am I missing something?

 

EVERYONE in the travel industry is trying to understand the governor's order...  This isn't my area of expertise at all, but I've been watching with entertainment as the industry has collectively mocked this so far.  There are plenty of areas he probably has jurisdiction with this, but airlines and cruise lines are really a stretch by most accounts.

 

My take is exactly as qwesq's. 

 

I guess part of the game is the whether he's trying to have companies "strongly recommend" vs. "require" the passports?  So far American Airlines is just recommending the Verifly passport (for all Covid documentation needs, not vaccine-specific) systemwide and it's offered more as an optional streamline tool.  That said, his order didn't seem to change a thing at their MIA hub regarding the promotion or use of this health passport.

 

Vince

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it seems Crystal did cancel all river cruises for July and August as well ...

curious about the Esprit   -   not enough non US passengers ??? 

Crystal really should give it a harder try to attract more European passengers  

I was far from happy Crystal went "all inclusive" years ago but that was in those days an issue for past SB and SS clients    not willing to book Crystal - especially for SB clienst in my country the free drinks were extremely important  - what I had to witness quite often . 

I only can hope for my river cruise in October 2021 . 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, vistaman said:

it seems Crystal did cancel all river cruises for July and August as well ...

curious about the Esprit   -   not enough non US passengers ??? 

Crystal really should give it a harder try to attract more European passengers  

I was far from happy Crystal went "all inclusive" years ago but that was in those days an issue for past SB and SS clients    not willing to book Crystal - especially for SB clienst in my country the free drinks were extremely important  - what I had to witness quite often . 

I only can hope for my river cruise in October 2021 . 

 

 

 

This is just my personal read on it from arms-length, but I think the challenge with Esprit is more structural than just customer-base -- they can move it wherever they need to.  I think the restrictions, quarantine cabins, medical lab, etc., are most likely not feasible at this point on a vessel that small unless they deploy it on a mission somewhere with crazy per diems. Even then, it's capacity is less than a third of even Endeavor's.  That doesn't give you much margin to play with until restrictions and precautions ease a bit more.

 

Vince

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