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4 minutes ago, Son of Anarchy said:

Unfortunately, I'm also tending to believe that that advisor's herd immunity policy, may be the way forward

That's what's  going to happen now it seems, whether we agree with it or not!

Avril

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Sweden has the 7th highest death rate in Europe, far higher than the other Scandinavian countries (Norway, for example, is 35th in Europe), so at present it doesn't appear to be an unqualified success. Having said that, it's perfectly possible that this may even out with time.

 

I'm no defender of this government, but they were heavily criticised earlier in the year for not learning the lessons of Italy and Spain. This time, one assumes they have decided that this spike may well follow the pattern of the current spikes in Europe and spread to the more vulnerable.

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34 minutes ago, wowzz said:

The latest information shows infection rates going up, but hospital admissions and deaths at low levels.

 Why all the fuss?

As you no doubt know, infection rates have been highest amongst young people, who are at less risk of being seriously ill, hence limited hospitalisation and death.

 

However, as you also know, winter is coming, and people spend more time indoors and they are worried that the younger people will affect the older people leading to the older people being seriously ill, being admitted to hospital and subsequently dying. As a society, surely we have to try and prevent wholesale death,  like there was 5 short months ago 
 

But you know all this, really 

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9 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said:

As you no doubt know, infection rates have been highest amongst young people, who are at less risk of being seriously ill, hence limited hospitalisation and death.

 

However, as you also know, winter is coming, and people spend more time indoors and they are worried that the younger people will affect the older people leading to the older people being seriously ill, being admitted to hospital and subsequently dying. As a society, surely we have to try and prevent wholesale death,  like there was 5 short months ago 
 

But you know all this, really 

The issue is that over the last few months our understanding of the disease has dramatically improved. The use of certain drugs, the less need to intubate, etc gives a far better prognosis than even 4 months ago.

Thus, even with an increased infection rate, there is no chance that death rates will reach the levels seen earlier this year.

Rather than try and proscibe the activities of the entire population, with far reaching future social and health related consequences, surely we should allow society to return to normal, with those at risk taking appropriate precautions.

And sorry, there will not be wholesale deaths. Being blunt, the most vulnerable have already unfortunately succumbed. You cannot die twice.

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46 minutes ago, DamianG said:

 

Sounds like that film "The Purge"!

 

As the season of goodwill draws nearer I thought maybe that old Christmas classic film should be renamed 

and rewritten :classic_unsure:.....

                                                                     " A Christmas  Covid  "

 

A scene outside the covid testing centre  .... 

 

Those who are badly off must go there." "Many can't go there; and many would rather die." "If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
"That's a good idea" said an onlooker." Lets have a cull for non mask wearers and people who are less than 2m apart !
 "Brilliant".. said his companion, this will certainly keep the covid deaths and hospital admissions down ."
Scrooge then turned to a young lad and scowled....

" You lad , tell me , does the hardware shop down the road still have that big gun in the window ? "
" wot the Ruskie DS-39 gun that's us big as me and could kill half our village in no time at all ? Said the lad 
"What a charming lad " beamed Scrooge !
"Here's 15 Scroats , go buy it for me ,be back in less than five minutes ,I will let you live "
Be back in two and you can have a shot at someone -Now hurry and wear your mask ! ":classic_wacko:

 

Anyone still buy Humbugs ? :classic_unsure::classic_smile:

 

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25 minutes ago, wowzz said:

The issue is that over the last few months our understanding of the disease has dramatically improved. The use of certain drugs, the less need to intubate, etc gives a far better prognosis than even 4 months ago.

Thus, even with an increased infection rate, there is no chance that death rates will reach the levels seen earlier this year.

Rather than try and proscibe the activities of the entire population, with far reaching future social and health related consequences, surely we should allow society to return to normal, with those at risk taking appropriate precautions.

And sorry, there will not be wholesale deaths. Being blunt, the most vulnerable have already unfortunately succumbed. You cannot die twice.

There’s still lots of people out there who are at risk from being seriously ill from Covid 
 

Statistically, just being male puts a person at more risk than a woman of the same age.

 

I’m not really sure what you are suggesting - is it that everyone under a certain age and without certain medical conditions goes about their life as normal, but the rest would have to continually isolate, with no physical contact with younger family members, for the foreseeable future? That would also create a whole raft of social and health related forums.

 

Are members of this Forum, especially the over 60s men, (where the risk starts to increase) really up for that? 

 

your comment about death rates has the potential to age really badly, let’s hope it never happens 

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10 minutes ago, kalos said:

 

As the season of goodwill draws nearer I thought maybe that old Christmas classic film should be renamed 

and rewritten :classic_unsure:.....

                                                                     " A Christmas  Covid  "

 

A scene outside the covid testing centre  .... 

 

Those who are badly off must go there." "Many can't go there; and many would rather die." "If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
"That's a good idea" said an onlooker." Lets have a cull for non mask wearers and people who are less than 2m apart !
 "Brilliant".. said his companion, this will certainly keep the covid deaths and hospital admissions down ."
Scrooge then turned to a young lad and scowled....

" You lad , tell me , does the hardware shop down the road still have that big gun in the window ? "
" wot the Ruskie DS-39 gun that's us big as me and could kill half our village in no time at all ? Said the lad 
"What a charming lad " beamed Scrooge !
"Here's 15 Scroats , go buy it for me ,be back in less than five minutes ,I will let you live "
Be back in two and you can have a shot at someone -Now hurry and wear your mask ! ":classic_wacko:

 

Anyone still buy Humbugs ? :classic_unsure::classic_smile:

 

I heard that Scrooge was applying for the role of a Covid Marshall 🙁😷

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1 minute ago, Dermotsgirl said:

I heard that Scrooge was applying for the role of a Covid Marshall 🙁😷

 

My next rewrite movie is about a "Neighbourhood Watch" pensioner !

 

I'm calling it ... You only Die Once :classic_unsure: :classic_smile:

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13 hours ago, grapau27 said:

Good luck tomorrow.

Graham.

 

Hi everyone,  Managed to finally get through to P&O only to be told that someone would call us back today before end of business as there is a huge number of calls to be dealt with !!!!!!!!!!!!

I will wait a little while then call again and see if I can get to speak to someone more helpful.  I understand and sympathise with them, they must be inundated with callers but surely once you get through they could deal with that particular call!!!!  The joys.

Will keep you posted. 😎

May

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33 minutes ago, yamanid said:

 

Hi everyone,  Managed to finally get through to P&O only to be told that someone would call us back today before end of business as there is a huge number of calls to be dealt with !!!!!!!!!!!!

I will wait a little while then call again and see if I can get to speak to someone more helpful.  I understand and sympathise with them, they must be inundated with callers but surely once you get through they could deal with that particular call!!!!  The joys.

Will keep you posted. 😎

May

You are right to ring again this afternoon.

I learned while waiting for our March refund it was a fob off saying they will ring you back.

Graham.

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2 hours ago, Dermotsgirl said:

Are members of this Forum, especially the over 60s men, (where the risk starts to increase) really up for that? 

As a member of that group, I am hundreds of times more likely to die of prostate cancer than CV19, especially as the cancer referral rate is running so badly at present.

If the daily figures for preventable cancer deaths were presented in the same way as CV19 deaths, there would be a public outcry. 

My point is that us old un's should decide if we want to socialise in groups of more than 6, and not let our civil liberties be further restricted even more than they currently are.

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38 minutes ago, wowzz said:

As a member of that group, I am hundreds of times more likely to die of prostate cancer than CV19, especially as the cancer referral rate is running so badly at present.

If the daily figures for preventable cancer deaths were presented in the same way as CV19 deaths, there would be a public outcry. 

My point is that us old un's should decide if we want to socialise in groups of more than 6, and not let our civil liberties be further restricted even more than they currently are.

I haven't got many friends😢. I doubt I could get a party of 6 together. My DW has lots of friends, but they don't invite me when they go out. I might apply to be a covid warden. ( Even spell check don't like me. It wanted to change Covid, to vivid.😥

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3 hours ago, Dermotsgirl said:

I heard that Scrooge was applying for the role of a Covid Marshall 🙁😷

Christmas is ruined for the seven dwarfs. On of the can't go to lunch on Christmas day. He's not happy.

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1 hour ago, grapau27 said:

You are right to ring again this afternoon.

I learned while waiting for our March refund it was a fob off saying they will ring you back.

Graham.

That happened to me when I wanted to extend our balance due date. I phoned  at 9.10am on August 3rd and was told they would call me back later that day. Still waiting!! 

Avril

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35 minutes ago, zap99 said:

Perhaps, I hope??. ,John intends that  this is done In  humane manner. Just tossing folk overboard would create a bit of a fuss.

At least that way you'd  get a little cruise out of it first though😁

Avril

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25 minutes ago, zap99 said:

I haven't got many friends😢. I doubt I could get a party of 6 together. My DW has lots of friends, but they don't invite me when they go out. I might apply to be a covid warden. ( Even spell check don't like me. It wanted to change Covid, to vivid.😥

Never mind zap🤗You've many friends on here (I think🤔

Avril

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1 hour ago, wowzz said:

As a member of that group, I am hundreds of times more likely to die of prostate cancer than CV19, especially as the cancer referral rate is running so badly at present.

If the daily figures for preventable cancer deaths were presented in the same way as CV19 deaths, there would be a public outcry. 

My point is that us old un's should decide if we want to socialise in groups of more than 6, and not let our civil liberties be further restricted even more than they currently are.

I'm getting really confused now, as you said earlier that those at risk should take appropriate precautions, now you are saying that the old folk should decide for themselves if they want to flout the instructions and meet up in large groups. What with large groups of pensioners meeting up and young people just carrying on with their normal life, Terrier John would be culling everyone!! 

 

You'll have to sort out between the two of you  what to do. In the meantime, I'll just do as I am asked, to protect myself and everyone else, especially those who are more vulnerable than me. 

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20 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said:

I'm getting really confused now, as you said earlier that those at risk should take appropriate precautions, now you are saying that the old folk should decide for themselves if they want to flout the instructions and meet up in large groups. What with large groups of pensioners meeting up and young people just carrying on with their normal life, Terrier John would be culling everyone!! 

 

You'll have to sort out between the two of you  what to do. In the meantime, I'll just do as I am asked, to protect myself and everyone else, especially those who are more vulnerable than me. 

I'm saying  that if you feel at risk, take necessary precautions, whatever your age.  If you do not feel at risk, meet up with as many people as you like.

It's also interesting to read today that 75% of local authorities have an infection rate of less than 20 per 100,000. Yet, the new lockdown rules apply to everyone regardless of where they live. Talk about using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.  

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24 minutes ago, wowzz said:

I'm saying  that if you feel at risk, take necessary precautions, whatever your age.  If you do not feel at risk, meet up with as many people as you like.

It's also interesting to read today that 75% of local authorities have an infection rate of less than 20 per 100,000. Yet, the new lockdown rules apply to everyone regardless of where they live. Talk about using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.  

Some people aren't very good at assessing their own risk. Then if you decide you aren't at risk and don't take precautions, you risk getting culled by Cruise Critic's Covid Marshall lol

 

we didn't have many cases once before at the start of March, and look what happened - exponential growth.  It's still  the same virus and will behave in exactly the same way if we don't make an effort to stop it.  

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7 minutes ago, wowzz said:

I'm saying  that if you feel at risk, take necessary precautions, whatever your age.  If you do not feel at risk, meet up with as many people as you like.

It's also interesting to read today that 75% of local authorities have an infection rate of less than 20 per 100,000. Yet, the new lockdown rules apply to everyone regardless of where they live. Talk about using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.  

So 25% of local authorities have a higher rate, and South Yorkshire is one them. Only Hambleton has had no more cases. Every other authority has seen cases double, so here, we need to have these restrictions again before it gets out of control. We were warned!!!!

Avril

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6 minutes ago, Adawn47 said:

So 25% of local authorities have a higher rate, and South Yorkshire is one them. Only Hambleton has had no more cases. Every other authority has seen cases double, so here, we need to have these restrictions again before it gets out of control. We were warned!!!!

Avril

Let's take Dorset.  Infection rate of 8.7 per 100,000. 

 Someone explain why this "rule of 6" is being applied to an area where it is manifestly not required.

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