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Interesting some crew will be required to wear PPE's not just masks. Are enough PPE's going to be available?

 

22 of the recommendations can be modified in time, 52 to be kept. Some of them seem very costly ( Specialists, intensive care type facility).  

 

Crew 1 to a cabin.

 

It's going to be an uphill battle for sure.

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1 hour ago, PelicanBill said:

 

New York is the worst in testing.

 

Huh? I live in NY and the testing here is quick. Last week my friend called her doctor with her symptoms in the morning, he recommended she be tested, she went and got a test, and had her results (negative) by the afternoon. By the last count, the state is doing 86,000 tests a day.

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My issue with the testing is that where I live you have to have multiple symptoms to even get your doctor to agree to testing. So telling them I just want to cruise isn’t going to work. We also have the issue with test results not being available for 7 or more days. 

 

I would happily follow any guidelines to go cruising and even wearing my mask in Austin last week wasn’t a big deal. I wear it all day long anyways. The Dept of Defense still has strict travel restrictions in place so my husband can only go 100 miles from work and no flying still. ☹️

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27 minutes ago, JamieLogical said:

 

Huh? I live in NY and the testing here is quick. Last week my friend called her doctor with her symptoms in the morning, he recommended she be tested, she went and got a test, and had her results (negative) by the afternoon. By the last count, the state is doing 86,000 tests a day.

Symptomatic testing with a doctor request is prioritized and faster.

I am talking about discretionary testing - just because I want one - has been very slow to arrive here in Western NY. Just now happening and results 2-5 days from the one State testing site, may be improving now but have not heard about walgreens turnaround yet.

 

I was tested in July and it took 2 weeks for results.

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All testing sites in my area except one still say screening required, which means they will authorize a test only with symptoms.

 

https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/find-test-site-near-you 

 

However, Walgreens does not appear in this list. Using their finder, we had zero sites in July.  Today, we have two.

https://www.walgreens.com/findcare/covid19/testing 

 

But here is the fine print.  If I can get past the screening, up to 4 days by phone or postal mail isn't going to work for the cruise requirements. This is why I say testing is not ready in all areas.

Walgreens follows testing criteria established by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and state and federal guidelines. If you don’t qualify after answering the screening questions, you may need to consult a healthcare provider.

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Timing for results may vary by location depending on the testing utilized. Patients will be notified of their results online, by mail or phone call. It may take up to 4 days for patients to receive results of tests processed at testing sites. It may take longer for patients to receive results of tests sent to labs partners for analysis.

 

 

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1 hour ago, PelicanBill said:

All testing sites in my area except one still say screening required, which means they will authorize a test only with symptoms.

 

https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/find-test-site-near-you 

 

However, Walgreens does not appear in this list. Using their finder, we had zero sites in July.  Today, we have two.

https://www.walgreens.com/findcare/covid19/testing 

 

But here is the fine print.  If I can get past the screening, up to 4 days by phone or postal mail isn't going to work for the cruise requirements. This is why I say testing is not ready in all areas.

Walgreens follows testing criteria established by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and state and federal guidelines. If you don’t qualify after answering the screening questions, you may need to consult a healthcare provider.

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Timing for results may vary by location depending on the testing utilized. Patients will be notified of their results online, by mail or phone call. It may take up to 4 days for patients to receive results of tests processed at testing sites. It may take longer for patients to receive results of tests sent to labs partners for analysis.

 

 

 

I live in Monroe County as well. I traveled to PA (not exactly a hot spot) over Labor Day weekend and I heard they were recommending that people who traveled for the Holiday get tested. On Saturday I decided to go ahead and see if I could get an appointment. I filled out the online request form, answering "no" to all of the questions about symptoms, exposure, and being an essential worker (no question on there about travel). On Monday, I received a text that my appointment had been confirmed for Wednesday. I decided to cancel it, because I wasn't very worried about having been exposed after all and had no symptoms, so I don't know what my turn around time would have been.

 

So getting the appointment was definitely not as fast as if I'd been referred by a doctor, but I thought with having no real cause for screening and having submitted the form on a Saturday night, Wednesday morning for the actual appointment wasn't unreasonable. This was for the drive-through testing site at MCC, btw.

 

Edit: This is the form I used: https://covid19screening.health.ny.gov/

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Yes. That is our one site in the Rochester area you can to to without a doctor referral or symptoms screening.  And 4 days to get an appointment.  That is my point.  We are one of those areas where you cannot just get a test with these travel requirements for proof from a test given 2-5 days prior!

 

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8 minutes ago, GA Dave said:

How do they have the audacity to describe this as "regulations". CLIA is a trade association and has zero legal authority to set regulations. CLIA members have agreed to follow CLIA guidelines, but if a cruise line doesn't agree with CLIA's guidance they can withdraw from the association.

 

All CLIA has done is submit a list of proposals to the CDC, just as NCLH and Royal Caribbean have.

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One of the challenges will be getting to the ship safely- people need to often go through planes/hotels/uber/taxi etc just to reach the port. Some people like going to a show in NYC the day before a cruise or movie- how is this going to work?

Those who can go from home directly to port will have less of a disadvantage.

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3 hours ago, HowardK said:

One of the challenges will be getting to the ship safely- people need to often go through planes/hotels/uber/taxi etc just to reach the port. Some people like going to a show in NYC the day before a cruise or movie- how is this going to work?

Those who can go from home directly to port will have less of a disadvantage.

Where we used to spend two or three days pre-cruise in Florida, I think we will now be doing it post-cruise. 

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The major cruise lines  should be on the same page. CLIA should be the one in charge of submitting a unified safety plan to the CDC. The splintered safety initiatives from their members is eroding any confidence that the industry is working together to get cruising back to a safer place. CLIA should be taking a lead role. Cruise lines should be using CLIA to be the unified voice for them, but it is not happening. It is like the 'wild west' now where some cruise lines think they have the better formula for safety.

 

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23 minutes ago, BoundForSea said:

Where we used to spend two or three days pre-cruise in Florida, I think we will now be doing it post-cruise. 

Would you just fly in that day then? I saw you are in New England- my last cruise was 2 years ago this week - from NYC to New England/Canada- Bar Harbor was my favorite port of all- 

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5 minutes ago, HowardK said:

Bar Harbor was my favorite port of all- 

 

Love BA-HA-BA (Maine accent). Been there two or three times but not on a cruise. Did you have any Bar Harbor Blueberry Ale (Atlantic Brewing Co.) while you were there? As I understand, the ale is brewed with real Maine wild blueberries.

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I don't recall what area of this report stated that pretty much the excursions should be through the cruiseline or approved excursions.  This will limit us on what we do since we do about 99% private excursions.

 

Another area of this report that is concerning to me since I am a healthcare worker in an ER.  It states Have you been in contact with somebody who tested positive in the last 14 days.  For those of us that work in an ER, what will happen if we answer yes?  I usually am around a couple of positive patients each week.  (I have yet to be tested positive)  Am I going to be denied boarding along with all the other medical people?  One of my cruises is booked for December.  

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Sadly, at least in the start-up phase we have no interest in cruising. The deal breaker for me is only being allowed off the ship if you’re on a cruise-line excursion. I’m going to pray things go well and some of the restrictions are relaxed before our next cruise (Europe October ‘21). Going to Europe and only seeing what the cruise line deems “safe” isn’t appealing to us at all. I like to get off the beaten path and experience the culture of a country, not just visit the popular tourist spots. 
 

if the restrictions are long-term, we will become land travelers.😢

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1 hour ago, farmersfight said:

 

Love BA-HA-BA (Maine accent). Been there two or three times but not on a cruise. Did you have any Bar Harbor Blueberry Ale (Atlantic Brewing Co.) while you were there? As I understand, the ale is brewed with real Maine wild blueberries.

I wish I did- as later on I had some blueberry ale's from local places in NJ. I did go on a really good 4-5 hour excursion that was a boat ride.

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@PelicanBill @JamieLogical the 3 of us are lined up along I-90, with me pinning the Eastern end of the state.  I was tested in Saratoga County in July and it took nearly a week to get the result (tested Sat., results on Thursday), with my sample sent to an out of state lab.  I had symptoms that COULD have been COVID, but they also could have been some other viral syndrome (fortunately it was in the "some other" category).

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13 hours ago, hallux said:

@PelicanBill @JamieLogical the 3 of us are lined up along I-90, with me pinning the Eastern end of the state.  I was tested in Saratoga County in July and it took nearly a week to get the result (tested Sat., results on Thursday), with my sample sent to an out of state lab.  I had symptoms that COULD have been COVID, but they also could have been some other viral syndrome (fortunately it was in the "some other" category).

 

Thanks for that data point.  I am pretty sore about how badly we lag the rest of the country and wrote to my county health commissioner and the NYS DOH yesterday about it.

 

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14 hours ago, Cindy said:

Sadly, at least in the start-up phase we have no interest in cruising. The deal breaker for me is only being allowed off the ship if you’re on a cruise-line excursion. I’m going to pray things go well and some of the restrictions are relaxed before our next cruise (Europe October ‘21). Going to Europe and only seeing what the cruise line deems “safe” isn’t appealing to us at all. I like to get off the beaten path and experience the culture of a country, not just visit the popular tourist spots. 
 

if the restrictions are long-term, we will become land travelers.😢

same for me, looks like I'll be cancelling my April 2021 Trans Atlantic as I'm not paying that kind of money to be led around by my nose. I don't do ship tours are they are over priced and usually lousy, my TA in April we were going to Normandy, no way on a ship tour. Hopefully my trans Atlantic and Alaska cruises in 2022 we will be back to normal

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53 minutes ago, PelicanBill said:

 

Thanks for that data point.  I am pretty sore about how badly we lag the rest of the country and wrote to my county health commissioner and the NYS DOH yesterday about it.

 

My son and I went to get tested as a "just in case" last Wednesday morning around 10:30 AM at the Savannah Civic Center.  We drove right into the building and were car #2 in line.  Easy-peasy, in and out in less than (10) minutes.  Had our results (negative) at 2:47 PM on Thursday.

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1 minute ago, GA Dave said:

My son and I went to get tested as a "just in case" last Wednesday morning around 10:30 AM at the Savannah Civic Center.  We drove right into the building and were car #2 in line.  Easy-peasy, in and out in less than (10) minutes.  Had our results (negative) at 2:47 PM on Thursday.

That's how it should be for everyone!  Thanks

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Looking at the table of Recommendations, my reaction is Meh, whatever....

 

This document is obviously meant to appease some bureaucrats, basically telling them what they want to hear.

 

Nearly all of the Keep items are things they're already doing to control Noro and other pathogens.  Others, like contactless embarkation, were already on the way.

 

The M items are mostly procedural changes that no one will notice.  Also, notice how purposefully worded #34 is.

 

Fortunately, the goal is mitigation, not prevention.  The list of Guiding Principals is lofty, but this entire protocol is like mowing your lawn to prevent forest fires.

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44 minutes ago, boatseller said:

Looking at the table of Recommendations, my reaction is Meh, whatever....

 

This document is obviously meant to appease some bureaucrats, basically telling them what they want to hear.

 

Nearly all of the Keep items are things they're already doing to control Noro and other pathogens.  Others, like contactless embarkation, were already on the way.

 

The M items are mostly procedural changes that no one will notice.  Also, notice how purposefully worded #34 is.

 

Fortunately, the goal is mitigation, not prevention.  The list of Guiding Principals is lofty, but this entire protocol is like mowing your lawn to prevent forest fires.

People will notice the M item that requires wearing a face covering.  We won't cruise as long as that is in effect.

The one thing I noticed in The Guiding Principles was any mention about ensuring the cruise is an enjoyable experience.  It would seem that should be at least as important as the other Principles if one wants people to resume cruising.

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