Here We Go Again

[prescottbob]

Just an FYI.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8781035/Coronavirus-outbreak-cruise-ship-sailing-Greece.html

 

Be well.

Bob

[Roger88]

This news are horrible, I feel bad for those guys being stuck on board. I heard Greece btw has put down all the restrictions. Its one of the reasons they accepted the ship in the first place. Moreover, I am sure the number may be higher. The tests these days are not all accurate 

[bajakiter]

Way to go "Mein Schiff". You just set back cruising another 6 months or years.

Perception is everything. The public considers cruise ships, plague ships.

First Hurtigruten in Norway and now this.

With this nonsense, there will be no political will to restart cruising anytime soon.

Sorry for the rant. Couldn't help myself this morning.

Miss cruising and this is not helping.

[anniegb]

1 hour ago, prescottbob said:

Just an FYI.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8781035/Coronavirus-outbreak-cruise-ship-sailing-Greece.html

 

Be well.

Bob

Sorry

 

Reports are the test results are false positives.

 

We in the UK NEVER rely on the Daily Mail which has the well earned nickname Daily Fail.

 

Follow the liveish thread from the ship on the Celebrity board.

 

Annie

Edited September 29, 2020 by anniegb

[bajakiter]

See what happens when you don't double check the headline?

I take everything back that I just said above.

Not my best moment.

[anniegb]

19 minutes ago, bajakiter said:

Way to go "Mein Schiff". You just set back cruising another 6 months or years.

Perception is everything. The public considers cruise ships, plague ships.

First Hurtigruten in Norway and now this.

With this nonsense, there will be no political will to restart cruising anytime soon.

Sorry for the rant. Couldn't help myself this morning.

Miss cruising and this is not helping.

Test results are false positives.

[anniegb]

4 minutes ago, bajakiter said:

See what happens when you don't double check the headline?

I take everything back that I just said above.

Not my best moment.

Forgiven 🙂

[iancal]

We follow the Guardian.  Certainly more dependable than the Daily Mail.  No pay wall on either!

[ontheweb]

11 minutes ago, anniegb said:

Test results are false positives.

And even false positives negatively affect the cruise. And if you cannot rely on the tests, what happens with false negatives and the ship sails?

[anniegb]

14 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

And even false positives negatively affect the cruise. And if you cannot rely on the tests, what happens with false negatives and the ship sails?

Let me think about this - who would I trust more tests carried out on a German ship or by the a.n.other nation??

 

And they then went for another opinion.

 

Alas no testing regime is 100% - (however the Germans are very thorough) what the cruise industry decides to do about that is way above my pay grade

 

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by anniegb

[iancal]

The unfortunate part is that the headline is already out and the impression created.

 

Like many other reports with a different ending, the end is often reported in a quarter column on page 5.

[fatcat04]

 

“Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it, so that when men come to be undeceived, it is too late; the jest is over, and the tale hath had its effect: like a man, who hath thought of a good repartee when the discourse is changed, or the company parted; or like a physician, who hath found out an infallible medicine, after the patient is dead.”

 

― Jonathan Swift, "The Art of Political Lying" 1710

Edited September 29, 2020 by fatcat04

[anniegb]

35 minutes ago, iancal said:

The unfortunate part is that the headline is already out and the impression created.

 

Like many other reports with a different ending, the end is often reported in a quarter column on page 5.

https://www.seatrade-cruise.com/ship-operations/no-coronavirus-board-tuis-mein-schiff-6-greek-authorities-confirm

[ontheweb]

51 minutes ago, iancal said:

The unfortunate part is that the headline is already out and the impression created.

 

Like many other reports with a different ending, the end is often reported in a quarter column on page 5.

Right, the retraction never gets as much space as the misleading story or headline.

[bennybear]

The good thing about this, is how thorough they were, everyone had to do a Covid test prior to embarking on a charter flight to Greece.  It was just extremely unfortunate that Heraklion messed up that number of tests.  My understanding is that is a really high number of false positives that have twice now by both the ship and the Greek authorities been confirmed negative.   

 

Maybe they deserve our thanks for trying. 

[TiogaCruiser]

5 hours ago, ontheweb said:

And even false positives negatively affect the cruise. And if you cannot rely on the tests, what happens with false negatives and the ship sails?

Bingo.

[prescottbob]

 

I'm glad everything worked out after all the re-testing versus the 'doom and 'gloom' of the initial reporting's by multiple new agencies.

 

However, it makes one wonder that if one gest a "false negative" during the embarkation processing that 12-24 hours later turns out to be just another "false positive" if the cruise line will fly you to the next port, refund your cruise payment and pay your way home (for PR purposes, I suppose) or just tell ya to 'pound sand and say, "You didn't get our "Platinum" insurance policy.

 

Interesting thoughts to ruminate upon.

 

We'll be on the 'sidelines' for at least a year at this point whether a vaccine comes out by Q1, 2021 or somewhat later in 2021 / later.

 

All be well.

Bob 

[Sir PMP]

8 hours ago, Roger88 said:

This news are horrible, I feel bad for those guys being stuck on board. I heard Greece btw has put down all the restrictions. Its one of the reasons they accepted the ship in the first place. Moreover, I am sure the number may be higher. The tests these days are not all accurate 

Just can't wait until we have a vaccine...

[YXU AC*SE]

In related news ...      Scott. 

source:   https://www.axios.com/scoop-white-house-overruled-cdc-cruise-ships-florida-91442136-1b8e-442e-a2a1-0b24e9a39fb6.html

 

[bennybear]

1 hour ago, prescottbob said:

 

I'm glad everything worked out after all the re-testing versus the 'doom and 'gloom' of the initial reporting's by multiple new agencies.

 

However, it makes one wonder that if one gest a "false negative" during the embarkation processing that 12-24 hours later turns out to be just another "false positive" if the cruise line will fly you to the next port, refund your cruise payment and pay your way home (for PR purposes, I suppose) or just tell ya to 'pound sand and say, "You didn't get our "Platinum" insurance policy.

 

Interesting thoughts to ruminate upon.

 

We'll be on the 'sidelines' for at least a year at this point whether a vaccine comes out by Q1, 2021 or somewhat later in 2021 / later.

 

All be well.

Bob 

 

The guests had to be tested negative prior  to even flying by chartered air to the cruise.   The issue arose when the Greek government did random testing of crew and got a lot of false positives which both the cruise ship and the Greek government retested and found all to be negative.

[prescottbob]

19 minutes ago, bennybear said:

 

The guests had to be tested negative prior  to even flying by chartered air to the cruise.   The issue arose when the Greek government did random testing of crew and got a lot of false positives which both the cruise ship and the Greek government retested and found all to be negative.

Good point for this particular story.

 

I was just speculating when the re-start begins & the cruise lines start doing testing at embarkation ports (and I might add, prior proof of testing that may be required) & what remedies might exist for ‘false negative’ testing on-site.

 

It’s all speculation at this point with no specific guidelines / mandates / protocols provided by the government or cruise line vendors.

 

There is no antigen testing, antibody testing or vaccine protection, for that matter, that has been proven to be 100% accurate / effective (polio eradication in the USA and some others are exceptions to the generalities, I.e. yearly influenzas, vector borne pathogens, etc). I could be wrong. 

 

And so, the “human condition” continues.

 

All please be well & remain to be so.

 

Bob

[cl.klink]

7 hours ago, fatcat04 said:

 

“Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it, so that when men come to be undeceived, it is too late; the jest is over, and the tale hath had its effect: like a man, who hath thought of a good repartee when the discourse is changed, or the company parted; or like a physician, who hath found out an infallible medicine, after the patient is dead.”

 

― Jonathan Swift, "The Art of Political Lying" 1710

 

Great quote!

 

-Joel

[Germancruiser]

Oh these press reports- all is welcome as long it sell´s - those headlines alone... horrible. I am curious to see if they report of the false positiv tests in our papers today.

@Miaminice is reporting live from this voyage over at the X- board- very interessting read and wonderful pictures.

 

The passengers - after they got informed that voyage reasumes as planed did a flash mob on the upper decks- all according to the rules- social distancing and such-  to thank the wonderful crew for their oustanding service. There is a short video of that in the " Liveish report" too.

 

I am about to board Mein Schiff 1 for Panoramic Cruise to Sweden and Finnland- possibly even a short visit to the Turku Shipyard. Can´t wait to board.

 

 

[VMax1700]

11 hours ago, Germancruiser said:

I am about to board Mein Schiff 1 for Panoramic Cruise to Sweden and Finnland- possibly even a short visit to the Turku Shipyard. Can´t wait to board.

Have a safe and enjoyable cruise.  Any possibility of another 'Live from........?'

[Divi]

18 hours ago, YXU AC*SE said:

In related news ...      Scott. 

source:   https://www.axios.com/scoop-white-house-overruled-cdc-cruise-ships-florida-91442136-1b8e-442e-a2a1-0b24e9a39fb6.html