Chrisifab Posted October 1, 2020 #1 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Hiya folks, Just looking for feedback here. Fred Olsen bought the Rotterdam this year, as most of you know, and today they’ve launched their 2022 World Cruise itenary and pricing for the ship (now renamed Borealis). It’s more or less the same itenary as Zaandam for 2022 world cruise, but half the price. Zaandam starts at £19,400. Borealis starts at £9,999. That’s a huge price difference for what is essentially the same ship and itenary. How many of you would consider 2022 with Fred Olsen on the old Rotterdam vs Zaandam with HAL? I’m trying to figure out how long I’ve got before I have to jump in and book for a good cabin! 🥴 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mary229 Posted October 1, 2020 #2 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I am not in the market for a world cruise but I would sail with Fred Olsen. I like that they have adult only ships and they are moderately priced with good reviews. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
cruisemom42 Posted October 1, 2020 #3 Share Posted October 1, 2020 If I were able to book a world cruise, I'd seriously consider Fred Olsen. But I've previously sailed on lines with mostly British passengers (although not with Fred) in the past. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Sir PMP Posted October 1, 2020 #4 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Yes, I would, but the itinerary is not the best I have seen, plus I don't understand why they picked this ship with only one small pool for a long trip. The Amsterdam, Bolette, would have been much better for this. Link to post Share on other sites
KirkNC Posted October 1, 2020 #5 Share Posted October 1, 2020 The pricing is awful tempting but I am not really familiar with FO. Link to post Share on other sites
Mickb Posted October 1, 2020 #6 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Bear in mind that the Fred Olsen product is very much aimed at the British market. The food and entertainment will not be what you would be served on an American ship. It will be good but perhaps lacking the finesse that HAL can offer. The lead in price is very attractive but bear in mind in this world - you get what you pay for! 2 Link to post Share on other sites
cricketcj1 Posted October 1, 2020 #7 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Sounds interesting I may have to Check this out . Thanks for tip.😀 1 Link to post Share on other sites
rkacruiser Posted October 1, 2020 #8 Share Posted October 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Sir PMP said: I don't understand why they picked this ship with only one small pool for a long trip. The Amsterdam, Bolette, would have been much better for this. If planning a 2022 world cruise, I would seriously consider it if my research would indicate that it would be a "good fit" for me. Sir PMP, I share your thought about "why the Rotterdam" and not the Amsterdam. Maybe Fred. Olsen has some plans for changing that aft Lido Deck? Maybe they plan on utilizing the Borealis' speed potential as compared to the Bollete? Link to post Share on other sites
Sir PMP Posted October 1, 2020 #9 Share Posted October 1, 2020 32 minutes ago, rkacruiser said: If planning a 2022 world cruise, I would seriously consider it if my research would indicate that it would be a "good fit" for me. Sir PMP, I share your thought about "why the Rotterdam" and not the Amsterdam. Maybe Fred. Olsen has some plans for changing that aft Lido Deck? Maybe they plan on utilizing the Borealis' speed potential as compared to the Bollete? Maybe, but I doubt if they will put the aft pool back in.. Link to post Share on other sites
Cruise NH Posted October 1, 2020 #10 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Wow, you got me excited there for a minute. I would love to pay less for the 2022 world cruise but Fred Olson's really doesn't look much like the HAL 2022 cruise. There is no Japan, China or Amazon among other things. I would certainly look at them in the future though. We're on Cunard frequently so we're used to and actually prefer more international passengers. Maybe 2023! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
colonialinnkeeper Posted October 1, 2020 #11 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I don't think we would consider a new cruise line for a world tour without ever having been on that line before. 7 Link to post Share on other sites
sail7seas Posted October 1, 2020 #12 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) Seeing you asked........ NO, it does not tempt me even a little Edited October 1, 2020 by sail7seas Link to post Share on other sites
FredT Posted October 1, 2020 #13 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) As HAL's prices climb higher and higher (And their ships get larger and larger) we have been looking at alternatives. Having sailed on CMV before, (And their target market was the same as Fred's ) I would have no problem with Fred going forward, and "if" we could find an itinerary we liked up the Norwegian coast, we would (will) book in a heartbeat. But then again, we are not the wealthiest people in the world, and are trying to stretch our vacation dollars as far as we can. If this were not a consideration we would stick to HAL as we like their product. Edited October 1, 2020 by FredT 3 Link to post Share on other sites
rkacruiser Posted October 1, 2020 #14 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, colonialinnkeeper said: I don't think we would consider a new cruise line for a world tour without ever having been on that line before. Agree. I think it would be better if one sailed on a shorter itinerary in order to have some sense as to what the cruise product and on-board experience might be before investing in a world cruise. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Sea42 Posted October 2, 2020 #15 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I agree that it would be necessary to try them out on a shorter cruise but their pricing does bring a balcony cabin on a world cruise within our budget. While this itinerary doesn't thrill me, I will be keeping an eye on what they offer in 2023. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Tampa Girl Posted October 2, 2020 #16 Share Posted October 2, 2020 19 hours ago, Sir PMP said: Yes, I would, but the itinerary is not the best I have seen, plus I don't understand why they picked this ship with only one small pool for a long trip. The Amsterdam, Bolette, would have been much better for this. I thought that the ex-Rotterdam was a sister ship of the Amsterdam. No? The Rotterdam does not have the aft pool? Link to post Share on other sites
RuthC Posted October 2, 2020 #17 Share Posted October 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, Tampa Girl said: I thought that the ex-Rotterdam was a sister ship of the Amsterdam. No? The Rotterdam does not have the aft pool? They were never identical, although sister, ships. The Amsterdam aft pool was on Lido Deck from the first, while the Rotterdam had her aft pool one deck below, as did the earlier S-class ships. Back in 2009 the Rotterdam was renovated (some would say 'butchered') to remove the aft pool, put cabins where she had been, and had a watering trough added on the Lido Deck. It wasn't good for swimming, was too slippery for wading, and generally served no useful purpose. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
FlaMariner Posted October 2, 2020 #18 Share Posted October 2, 2020 How's the food on Fred Olsen?....and is it "all inclusive" similar to HAL? Link to post Share on other sites
KirkNC Posted October 2, 2020 #19 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, FlaMariner said: How's the food on Fred Olsen?....and is it "all inclusive" similar to HAL? Not sure about the food but HAL is not considered all inclusive. You pay tips, drinks, speciality restaurants, excursions etc separately. Edited October 2, 2020 by KirkNC 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Sir PMP Posted October 2, 2020 #20 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, FlaMariner said: How's the food on Fred Olsen?....and is it "all inclusive" similar to HAL? it's similar to Hal, which means not all inclusive.. Link to post Share on other sites
FredT Posted October 2, 2020 #21 Share Posted October 2, 2020 3 hours ago, FlaMariner said: How's the food on Fred Olsen? NOT having sailed Fred, but having a number of friends who have, I understand that the food is good.....But very "British" in both selections and taste. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir PMP Posted October 2, 2020 #22 Share Posted October 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, FredT said: NOT having sailed Fred, but having a number of friends who have, I understand that the food is good.....But very "British" in both selections and taste. Fish and chips? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mary229 Posted October 2, 2020 #23 Share Posted October 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sir PMP said: Fish and chips? I could eat Fish n' chips for days, love them😉 2 Link to post Share on other sites
FredT Posted October 2, 2020 #24 Share Posted October 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sir PMP said: Fish and chips? Basic "meat and potato's" style foods , blander fish dishes, pie's, and (Surprisingly to me anyway) a lot of Indian cusine. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
St Pete Cruiser Posted October 2, 2020 #25 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Fred Olsen Cruises has certainly caught our attention by acquiring the Rotterdam and Amsterdam. I just went to their web site and noticed the ex Rotterdam, now Borealis, world cruise is possibly booked as it reads: "call for details", rather than a price. Most of the prices listed are considerably more than 100 pounds per day or $130 US for an inside room pp. Gratuities are extra. A glass of house wine is 4.35 pounds or about $5.70 US. I would seriously doubt dining and service is equivilent to Holland America's. So if the fares are about the same as HAL, I guess there would not be enough incentive to "jump Ship" to Fred Olsen. Link to post Share on other sites
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