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After hearing the good news that cruises will start on Quantum of the Seas out of Singapore for locals in December, I am wondering if RCL could have started earlier in other countries? 

Like sending a RCL ship to Germany and doing cruises to nowhere for locals like TUI did. 

In some places like Bermuda, there are not many covid cases there. Should the cruise lines set a ship out of Bermuda for their local people to cruise? 

Some say the ship is a Destination itself, so this would be sort of a vacation for the locals to enjoy being out at sea and experiencing a cruise. 

 

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Does Royal have the infrastructure in Bermuda to do it? Does Bermuda have enough people to support a ship? Might be a novelty for a few weeks, but what happens after that? And what if the Bermuda government wants no part of it?

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Good question.

 

One consideration would be from where do they get the necessary crew?  Would the crew be local to the country from which a ship operates?  Would they come from other parts of the world?  I'm sure that would be a major factor in this.

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1 hour ago, Biker19 said:

No shortage of posters who still want to

 

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Under 2 hours and 5 posts in, this has to be a record for how quickly Mr. Ed made an appearance.

 

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For Europe, I would think that a major factor in their decision would be the inability of a huge part of their customer base to actually get to Europe to cruise (US) and another huge part (UK) not being able to cruise because of the government restrictions (advice not to cruise + quarantine on return).

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-wisconsin-fair-grounds-field-hospital/

 

Wisconsin setting up a field hospital.

 

"We hoped this day wouldn't come, but unfortunately, Wisconsin is in a much different, more dire place today and our healthcare systems are beginning to become overwhelmed by the surge of COVID-19 cases," Governor Tony Evers said Wednesday. 

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21 hours ago, flyguyjake said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-wisconsin-fair-grounds-field-hospital/

 

Wisconsin setting up a field hospital.

 

"We hoped this day wouldn't come, but unfortunately, Wisconsin is in a much different, more dire place today and our healthcare systems are beginning to become overwhelmed by the surge of COVID-19 cases," Governor Tony Evers said Wednesday. 

Sadly, this disease is not going away and it sure seems we have not learned our lessons.  It's unfortunate, because this lack of attention and wishful thinking will continue to set back the return of cruising.

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On 10/8/2020 at 9:24 AM, Wannacruise81 said:

After hearing the good news that cruises will start on Quantum of the Seas out of Singapore for locals in December, I am wondering if RCL could have started earlier in other countries? 

Like sending a RCL ship to Germany and doing cruises to nowhere for locals like TUI did. 

In some places like Bermuda, there are not many covid cases there. Should the cruise lines set a ship out of Bermuda for their local people to cruise? 

Some say the ship is a Destination itself, so this would be sort of a vacation for the locals to enjoy being out at sea and experiencing a cruise. 

 

Total population of Bermuda of is a bit more than 62,000.  Doesn't seem like a large market to even sustain RCCL's smallest ship for more than a few weeks.  And I am being generous in regards to a few weeks.

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No, not for the US.  The CDC has been requiring the cruise lines to have private resources in place to take care of any Covid infections so they don't burden public resources.  So far the cruise lines have not identified those private resources.  The rest of the world does not have that requirement.  Royal also does not offer cruises that are dedicated to those local markets.   Royal depends on a broader international passenger base.

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I could see RCL and others setup cruising out of the Bahamas instead of Miami and FLL if they extend the no sail order too far. They can have their own chartered flights from MIA and FLL to the Bahamas, board the ships, and then fly back to MIA and FLL after. The cruise lines are not going to sit idle forever. They will find a huge loophole in the CDC if they have to. 

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On 10/9/2020 at 4:21 PM, yogimax said:

Sadly, this disease is not going away and it sure seems we have not learned our lessons.  It's unfortunate, because this lack of attention and wishful thinking will continue to set back the return of cruising.

Not just USA, Europe has serious second spikes too. Only positive is deaths are way down on what they were last Spring. 

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3 hours ago, sgmn said:

Not just USA, Europe has serious second spikes too. Only positive is deaths are way down on what they were last Spring. 

Well, this could be the indicators of what happens to viruses like these as they mutate.  They become more contagious, but less deadly.  The common cold is mutations of viruses that have been around for a long time and people still die from secondary infections from it- pneumonia for example.  Although at this point, COVID hasn't mutated that much, but it could be enough for this phenomenon to be seen. 

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I'd guess if they felt it was safe and they could make a profit at it they would send cruises out as soon as they could.  There likely is some fear of reputation if something goes wrong again and they want to be extremely careful.  RCCL has always been very profit oriented (along with their care for the customers) so I'd guess they'll be back out as soon as they can figure out how to make it all work.

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Perhaps they should have rallied their supporters and tried to force the issue earlier.  Now they're heading towards a start during a predicted winter peak.

 

If the CDC declares that ships must be banned in late January a new administration won't likely counter that order.

 

They might win this battle and get a green light to restart in December but they might still lose the war long term.

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Back to the OP's question, the reason that RCI did not start up in Europe the way that sister line TUI did, or Costa, is that RCI's ships are flagged in the Bahamas, and as such, they fall afoul of a very unpopular topic here on CC, cabotage (think of the US's PVSA).  Since the cruises in Europe are all either cruises to nowhere, or cruises with ports all in one country (to date, Costa will soon start multi-country sailings), the EU restricts these cruises to ships flagged in EU member nations.  TUI is all Maltese flag, Aida (tried to start) is German flag, and while Costa is Italian flag, it is the Italian international registry, and so had to get an exemption from Italy, but Italy granted it, since they still get the revenue from international registered ships.

 

As for cruising in the US, sure it could have started months ago, if the cruise lines had not stuck their heads in the sand, hoping the pandemic would go away, and with it the CDC requirements.  Now, even their Healthy Sail board recommends meeting all of the CDC requirements, so they could have done this months ago.

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4 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

Aida (tried to start) is German flag

As far as I could find Aida is Italian flagged and the reason they couldn't initially start in Germany was that they could not get their rules approved by the Italian authorities.

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8 hours ago, Biker19 said:

As far as I could find Aida is Italian flagged and the reason they couldn't initially start in Germany was that they could not get their rules approved by the Italian authorities.

Yeah, you're right on the flag.

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On 10/11/2020 at 8:24 PM, ipeeinthepool said:

No, not for the US.  The CDC has been requiring the cruise lines to have private resources in place to take care of any Covid infections so they don't burden public resources.  So far the cruise lines have not identified those private resources.  The rest of the world does not have that requirement.  Royal also does not offer cruises that are dedicated to those local markets.   Royal depends on a broader international passenger base.

Been saying this since the first No Sail Order.  I believe Royal continues to ignore this. Didn’t see it addressed in their latest plan.  
 

Thanks

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