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On 10/14/2020 at 3:22 AM, Host Hattie said:

I can't see joining a cruise ship as a passenger as one of the exemptions to the requirement to self isolate for 14 days on arrival.

Who has confirmed that this is allowed ?

I can confirm that it is allowed.  I flew into LHR from ATL arriving yesterday morning.  Hired a car and driver to get to Portsmouth where I spent the day and overnight in my room at the Marriott except for going to the restaurant for dinner and breakfast.  This morning, I took an UBER to the Port where I was welcomed by SeaDream personnel who accepted my paperwork and gave me a COVID test.  After about 20 minutes, I learned that I had passed and was escorted to a bus that took me to the ship.  We have now departed Portsmouth and are sailing toward Madeira where we are scheduled to arrive Friday morning.

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Thank you for confirming but that doesn't seem to comply with our self isolation regulations, did you have an exemption ?

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk

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4 minutes ago, Host Hattie said:

Thank you for confirming but that doesn't seem to comply with our self isolation regulations, did you have an exemption ?

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk

The rule is that you must self-isolate for 14 days or until leaving the country if earlier.  It is on page 3 here:  https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk#:~:text=If you're travelling to,on the travel corridors list.

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21 hours ago, ctbjr1309 said:

No room service.  Picked up food to take back to room.  Stayed 2 meters away from others.

Congratulations on getting to be among the first to depart the UK on a cruise. I believe that the hosts of the Cruising with Ben and David channel on YouTube are also onboard. I hadn't really thought about the fact that you could fly to the UK from the USA and then leave straightaway on a cruise, so that seems to satisfy the government's requirements. Well done and have a great cruise! I"m very happy for you!

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As of October 16, the US had a Level 3 travel advisory for England.    Guess some U.S. folks feel they are above the COVID 19 travel rules.   This is why we still have a big outbreak in areas of the U.S. where folks don’t feel the COVID 19 rules apply to them.   Folks from the U.S. are still not to travel on cruise ships at least through the end of October.   In the maritime news it stated that 19 passengers boarded in Portsmouth. 
The less than legal passengers from Orlando mist be two of them.
 

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With all due respect, you’ve misread the CDC order on cruising.  It does NOT apply to U.S. citizens worldwide, banning U.S. citizens on cruise ships anywhere in the world as you implied.  The order applies to ships departing from U.S. ports, such as those here in Florida; it does not and could not apply to cruise ships, such as SD, operating entirely outside USA jurisdiction.  Similarly, the travel advisory for England/UK is just that - advisory.  Obviously the USA authorities allowed anyone from USA now on SD out of the USA.  Travel advisories are up to the individual as it was NOT a ban or else they could not have boarded the outbound plane. The UK authorities are responsible for determining who does and does not enter the UK.

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13 hours ago, Covepointcruiser said:

As of October 16, the US had a Level 3 travel advisory for England.    Guess some U.S. folks feel they are above the COVID 19 travel rules.   This is why we still have a big outbreak in areas of the U.S. where folks don’t feel the COVID 19 rules apply to them.   Folks from the U.S. are still not to travel on cruise ships at least through the end of October.   In the maritime news it stated that 19 passengers boarded in Portsmouth. 
The less than legal passengers from Orlando mist be two of them.
 

Sorry, but it seems you don't understand what a Level 3 travel advisory is. In fact, the US State Dept quietly revised its Level 4 Travel Advisory on August 6, so if anything, the Level 3 is an indication that things are IMPROVING, not worsening. Please consider reading this press release:

https://www.state.gov/lifting-of-global-level-4-global-health-advisory/

No one is "feeling above the rules." The CDC's order does not prevent Americans from traveling on cruise ships, as you allege. It says cruise ships may not depart from the US, which is not the same thing. And that order only applies to large vessels, not small ones. So, in other words, if a US citizen flies to the UK and the next day boards a small cruise ship that's not going to the US, no rules have been broken and nothing wrong was done.

 

 

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Hope all is well on ships at sea.   We know Charlie is extremely busy in The Office but us poor stay at homes would like to hear how it is going, passenger makeup, inside intel, etc.  Hope y'all are having fun for a change.  🍸

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DCGuy 64 is working with old info from the State Department as much has changed since 8/20 and not in a good way.   This couple has made dangerous choice for non essential travel.   If their passport was stamped/scanned in the UK they will have a difficult time Getting back to the US.   Maybe they wanted to winter in Barbados, it’s currently only a Level 2.    Great Britain is currently advising no non essential travel to the U.S. and their virus rate is less than Orange County Florida.   Couple like the ones who traveled are ruining our chances to cruise.   Very surprised a U.S. couple was allowed to board the ship.   Glad I work in government as this will not go unnoticed.

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Covepointcruiser said:

DCGuy 64 is working with old info from the State Department as much has changed since 8/20 and not in a good way.   This couple has made dangerous choice for non essential travel.   If their passport was stamped/scanned in the UK they will have a difficult time Getting back to the US.   Maybe they wanted to winter in Barbados, it’s currently only a Level 2.    Great Britain is currently advising no non essential travel to the U.S. and their virus rate is less than Orange County Florida.   Couple like the ones who traveled are ruining our chances to cruise.   Very surprised a U.S. couple was allowed to board the ship.   Glad I work in government as this will not go unnoticed.

 

 

 

 

There are two separate issues here.  Whether any one of us would go on SD now, or take any other trip for that matter, is separate from what various governments are allowing or advising.  The same holds true for going to bars, restaurants and other places.  We don’t go ourselves but we have neighbors down the hall in our building who choose to eat out, for example.

 

First point: the travel.state.gov website is always touted as the primary federal gov source for the latest travel information.  Your view is that a lot has changed since August.  That’s your right to say so.  But I just checked moments ago and the US State Department’s info for going to the UK is still dated August 2020.  If they want to change it, they can, but they haven’t.  It says UK is Level 3.  While the US Gov advises against certain travel to the UK, doing so is clearly not prohibited (or else UK would be at Level 4 which says stop, go home, you can’t go).

 

Second point: as to returning from Barbados, the State Department and Homeland Security linked websites are clear.  US citizens coming back to the United States face restrictions if they have been in certain countries, including the UK, but only if they were in those countries IN THE FOURTEEN (14) DAYS prior to returning to the USA.  The crossing from the UK to Barbados takes longer than 14 days so the fact they were in the UK outside that 14-day window is irrelevant upon returning to the USA.  As you conceded, Barbados is at Level 2.

 

To be sure, we aren’t traveling across town much less across the state or outside the country. But this isn’t about what we would do.  If the US Government doesn’t want people to travel, then stop with the government speak and do so in plain English.  Walking a fine line here, but regardless of how one views  Nov. 3, the fact is the current head of the Executive Branch of the US Gov is saying “open” the country and his State Department is not saying don’t travel.

 

We all want to return to travel including yachting (not cruising) on SD.  We also need to maintain if not enhance civility and respect for choices others make we disagree with.  Finally, the bubble SD has created with its testing and other protocols makes it much, much safer than just about any other place one could be, including prominent places maintained by the US Gov in the news recently.

 

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This is why we need smaller government....  Much smaller.

Right you are Ragnar.  And threats coming from a govt. cubicle rat  bureaucrat are never appreciated.  Bet he could get in trouble for that one.

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21 hours ago, Covepointcruiser said:

DCGuy 64 is working with old info from the State Department as much has changed since 8/20 and not in a good way.   This couple has made dangerous choice for non essential travel.   If their passport was stamped/scanned in the UK they will have a difficult time Getting back to the US.   Maybe they wanted to winter in Barbados, it’s currently only a Level 2.    Great Britain is currently advising no non essential travel to the U.S. and their virus rate is less than Orange County Florida.   Couple like the ones who traveled are ruining our chances to cruise.   Very surprised a U.S. couple was allowed to board the ship.   Glad I work in government as this will not go unnoticed.

 

 

 

Not so, the information I posted was directly from the State Dept website on the day I posted my comment, ie Wednesday. My information is very up to date. Again, they've done nothing wrong or against the rules. Also, US citizens ARE ALLOWED to visit Barbados. Whether one might have to quarantine on arrival back into the US depends on the state one lives in. I live in Virginia and there's no quarantine for citizens traveling back from abroad.

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On ‎10‎/‎23‎/‎2020 at 2:07 PM, Jim Avery said:

Right you are Ragnar.  And threats coming from a govt. cubicle rat  bureaucrat are never appreciated.  Bet he could get in trouble for that one.

Hopefully "cubicle rat" is never on any of our cruises as "this will not go unnoticed". 

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16 hours ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said:

So much for a negative test “certificate” providing any protection....

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/13012583/travellers-photoshop-covid-test/

 

Tests are an instant in time.  Just as when I appraise a boat for a bank.  Yep, that good ole Sea Ray is worth a bunch at 12:03PM Mountain time on the 25th.  5 minutes later when ole Ragnar runs it across a reef, not so much......  Just walk out of the test and come across a sneezer........😳

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