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And there goes November-- Cruises Cancelled!!


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3 hours ago, MsTabbyKats said:

"Barney's" in NYC used to be a discount dept store.  Now, it's the ultimate in upscale.  Things change.  Anything can happen.

Carnival was designed to make cruising affordable and available to the average family. That’s where the company has its roots. They aren’t changing that business model. For an elevated experience, they had already acquired the brands needed to achieve the target audience.

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21 minutes ago, xDisconnections said:

Carnival was designed to make cruising affordable and available to the average family. That’s where the company has its roots. They aren’t changing that business model. For an elevated experience, they had already acquired the brands needed to achieve the target audience.

But why should they operate cruises where they just don't make the profit?   I'm not saying "super luxury" but they could certainly eliminate the bottom feeders.

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13 minutes ago, MsTabbyKats said:

But why should they operate cruises where they just don't make the profit?   I'm not saying "super luxury" but they could certainly eliminate the bottom feeders.

What and/or who are these bottom feeders? Must you insult Carnival cruisers? Why?

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7 minutes ago, cruizergal70 said:

What and/or who are these bottom feeders? Must you insult Carnival cruisers? Why?

No....not insulting anyone.

 

It's a business term....the customers who you make the least profit from.

 

They would be people who spend the least...in total...on fare, excursions, in the casino, other extras.

 

DH and I were often bottom feeders....paid the fare and not one penny more.  Many times I'm sure we cruised at a loss for the cruiseline. 

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23 minutes ago, MsTabbyKats said:

But why should they operate cruises where they just don't make the profit?   I'm not saying "super luxury" but they could certainly eliminate the bottom feeders.

I agree with this poster. Carnival will not sail until after spring break or even mid summer 2021. Wall Street is telling us this by Carnivals current stock price. Forward future earnings for at least 2 quarters out is suggesting no sailings. 

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2 hours ago, Earthworm Jim said:

Maybe I'm looking too far ahead wondering about this, but if the no sail order was lifted soon, would the cruises have anywhere to go in the Caribbean? Are at least some of the normal ports saying they'd accept cruises again? If not, CDC order or not, those cruises can't sail if they don't have any destination.

 

But I guess all it would take would be one foreign port willing to accept cruisers and they'd be good to go as far as the PVSA is concerned. Passengers would have to like sea days for that to be attractive, but it would be legit.

 

Just like the airplanes selling round trips to no-where, they all sold out.

 

The cruise fanatical bases is large, they love the time on the ship.  I can see a 50% capacity round trip to nowhere in the warm weather ports to be sold out before they even go online.     1/2 capacity means more deck space, more dining space, dang everything better for on ship experience except for the high risk of coming down with COVID from some person that squeezes thru testing and is wearing a chin strap, LOL.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, MsTabbyKats said:

But why should they operate cruises where they just don't make the profit?   I'm not saying "super luxury" but they could certainly eliminate the bottom feeders.

Sometimes you can’t be profitable at first but you can certainly lessen the losses. When Walt Disney World reopened, do you really think Disney Parks & Resorts was operating at a profit? Sometimes you need to do what is best for the business and attract your guests back. You need them to feel comfortable, promote goodwill and have them witness a successful return of operations.

 

Profit isn’t always everything.

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39 minutes ago, MsTabbyKats said:

No....not insulting anyone.

 

It's a business term....the customers who you make the least profit from.

 

They would be people who spend the least...in total...on fare, excursions, in the casino, other extras.

 

DH and I were often bottom feeders....paid the fare and not one penny more.  Many times I'm sure we cruised at a loss for the cruiseline. 

 

You are an anomaly. The trend is the more experienced the cruiser, the cheaper they are.

 

If you pay the fare, Carnival is not losing money.

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Oh well, it was expected by me,  I'm not even expecting our Feb 6th Mardi Gras sailing to sail, not if the covid-19 numbers keep trending up. Our final payment is due Nov 8th, we paid it last week. Hopefully in the future we will sail, at least it will be a cruise already paid for.😁

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3 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

Maybe, just maybe, they really wanted to sail in November.  Maybe, just maybe, it takes that time to determine they cannot make the dates, the requirements, the work effort it takes.  

 

Maybe. 

 

We know they would sail if they could.

 They'll be back. There's us that are hopeful, in denial, realistic, and then there are the elite future tellers. We are all just waiting though....

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47 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

 

Disposable income is not related to cheap. Experienced cruisers are less likely to run up large liquor bills, buy overpriced photos, choose ship tours over independent excursions, etc.

 

It is well known that novice cruisers tend to have higher onboard spend than old salts. Mass market cruise lines bread and butter is, by definition, mass markets and not niche markets.

Many on Princess practically live onboard with well over 2,000 days at sea. Their onboard expenses are very minimal due to being experienced cruisers. They know how to get the best rates, stack the best onboard credits, already own the merchandise, taken the formal photos, did the shore excursions, don't necessarily drink, etc.

 

I'm in a different target audience and completely different age group than the normal passenger Princess is trying to attract.

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41 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

 

Disposable income is not related to cheap. Experienced cruisers are less likely to run up large liquor bills, buy overpriced photos, choose ship tours over independent excursions, etc.

 

It is well known that novice cruisers tend to have higher onboard spend than old salts. Mass market cruise lines bread and butter is, by definition, mass markets and not niche markets.

100% correct.  When I first started cruising, I bought the overpriced photos, took ship tours because I was not familiar with the ports of call, bought souvenirs, etc..  Now that I am at 60+ cruises, I know better.  Will still pay for drinks and specialty dinners, and perhaps a few $$ in the casino on sea day intensive cruises for entertainment, but other than that my fare is my fare and that's it.  I am retired and have plenty of disposable income thankfully.  I prefer to spend it on more cruises rather than overspending on one.

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54 minutes ago, phoenix_dream said:

100% correct.  When I first started cruising, I bought the overpriced photos, took ship tours because I was not familiar with the ports of call, bought souvenirs, etc..  Now that I am at 60+ cruises, I know better.  Will still pay for drinks and specialty dinners, and perhaps a few $$ in the casino on sea day intensive cruises for entertainment, but other than that my fare is my fare and that's it.  I am retired and have plenty of disposable income thankfully.  I prefer to spend it on more cruises rather than overspending on one.

That's where we are at with cruising now.  We enjoy the basic cruise experience and choose more cruises over expensive extras.

We have an occasional splurge but by and large we come home with most of our spending money.

I am disappointed to see that the crew and others who are employed by the cruise line still can't come back to work, but I'm not surprised.

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18 minutes ago, xDisconnections said:

Nonsense.

 

They are excited to return to cruising on December 1 from a limited number of ports on a limited number of ships and are confident in bringing the fun back to you.

 

Do you post this same message every month,  just changing the name of the month??😂😂😂

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So dissapointed and I didn’t even have a November cruise booked. Unless they are just not going to sail till there is a vaccine I don’t understand punting it for yet another month. Just my opinion but COVID isn’t going away anytime soon. I don’t expect December or January to really be that different. I wish they could establish protocols and at least start back with a few short cruises. And yes I understand the economics of wanting to collect and hold on to as much cash as possible. My business was only shutdown for about 2 full months and took a huge loss during that time. I can only imagine what it is like to be the Carnival controller right now!

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10 hours ago, xDisconnections said:

Haha, it’s about time they announced this. Did anyone really think November was going to happen at this point?

I could name a couple of CC members that were pretty adamant November was a go. 😂 

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