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25 minutes ago, dezertcruzer said:

Do you know what an accomodation ship is?  I have never herd that term.

 

New to me as well. This is what Wiki says: " A barracks ship or barracks barge, or in civilian use accommodation vessel or accommodation ship, is a ship or a non-self-propelled barge containing a superstructure of a type suitable for use as a temporary barracks for sailors or other military personnel. A barracks ship, a military form of a dormitory ship, may also be used as a receiving unit for sailors who need temporary residence prior to being assigned to their ship."

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19 minutes ago, sanmarcosman said:

New to me as well. This is what Wiki says: " A barracks ship or barracks barge, or in civilian use accommodation vessel or accommodation ship, is a ship or a non-self-propelled barge containing a superstructure of a type suitable for use as a temporary barracks for sailors or other military personnel. A barracks ship, a military form of a dormitory ship, may also be used as a receiving unit for sailors who need temporary residence prior to being assigned to their ship."

I wonder if it'll be used for quarantining when cruising starts back up.

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1 hour ago, dezertcruzer said:

Do you know what an accomodation ship is?  I have never herd that term.

 

Look at the Queen Mary ship in Long Beach that can be an example of an accommodation ship. It is like temporary housing which Carnival did many many years ago when the hurricanes hit New Orleans 

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Some accommodation ships such as Queen Mary, QE2, and Rotterdam are fairly well maintained as hotels open to the public.

Other less well known ships have been and are used more as dormitories for oil rig and shipyard workers, etc. 

These ships are often less well maintained and are used and abused hard for a few years before heading to the breakers.

 

 

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The Black Watch and Boudicca along with the Albatros were also sold as accomodation ships in the past few months also!  I had found out 2 weeks ago the Carnival Fascination was being sold to South Korean interests.

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16 hours ago, shof515 said:

 

Look at the Queen Mary ship in Long Beach that can be an example of an accommodation ship. It is like temporary housing which Carnival did many many years ago when the hurricanes hit New Orleans 

 

Also like the temporary FEMA housing that was used not so many years ago in St. Croix when the hurricanes hit Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands.  Guess what ship was used then?  I'll wait... 😀😀

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This is most likely similar to the Pacific Dawn, which is going to become a "seastead", or residence outside of any country's jurisdiction, offshore Panama, for "technology and innovation", to me meaning hackers and bitcoin traders.  One of the major owners has been thrown out of Thailand, for operating a floating home, and violating sovereignty.  They are selling cruise cabins as condos (no mention of enlarging them or renovating them), so this to me, also points towards shady, offshore business, not real residence.

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4 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

This is most likely similar to the Pacific Dawn, which is going to become a "seastead", or residence outside of any country's jurisdiction, offshore Panama, for "technology and innovation", to me meaning hackers and bitcoin traders.  One of the major owners has been thrown out of Thailand, for operating a floating home, and violating sovereignty.  They are selling cruise cabins as condos (no mention of enlarging them or renovating them), so this to me, also points towards shady, offshore business, not real residence.

 

Aren't they simply reflagging to Panama? That's Panamese jurisdiction then, isn't it? 

 

I wonder what kind of shady business should take place there that can't take place on land. Well, except for selling tax-free drinks, electronics and cigarettes, hiring cheap crew, tax-free income and operating a 24hr casino. 😀  

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9 hours ago, AmazedByCruising said:

 

Aren't they simply reflagging to Panama? That's Panamese jurisdiction then, isn't it? 

 

I wonder what kind of shady business should take place there that can't take place on land. Well, except for selling tax-free drinks, electronics and cigarettes, hiring cheap crew, tax-free income and operating a 24hr casino. 😀  

Yes, it would be the jurisdiction of the flag state, but many flag states (flags of convenience) have little or no desire to enforce their laws on ships of their flags.  Also, there is no reason that any nation, whether it borders the sea or not, cannot give registry to a ship, merely for the registry fees.

 

As for illegal activities, virtually any criminal activity, especially cyber ones, would benefit from being only 12 miles off the coast of a country, while not being  subject to enforcement of laws like fraud, embezzlement, money laundering, hacking, etc, etc.  This removes all threat of liability or punishment for any crime committed onboard.

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On 10/29/2020 at 10:19 AM, chengkp75 said:

Yes, it would be the jurisdiction of the flag state, but many flag states (flags of convenience) have little or no desire to enforce their laws on ships of their flags.  Also, there is no reason that any nation, whether it borders the sea or not, cannot give registry to a ship, merely for the registry fees.

 

As for illegal activities, virtually any criminal activity, especially cyber ones, would benefit from being only 12 miles off the coast of a country, while not being  subject to enforcement of laws like fraud, embezzlement, money laundering, hacking, etc, etc.  This removes all threat of liability or punishment for any crime committed onboard.

 

You don't need a special ship for that, any ship would do. But I haven't heard about hackers or frauds moving to a ship because it makes their "job" easier so why would you buy a condo on a ship that is "suspicious" (Bitcoin) already?  It would also be a lot easier to have that ship 12nm from New York instead of Panama so the clients can come aboard. Also, the first failed attempt (a tiny structure which probably didn't even have a flag after which the owner was charged with treason (!?)) doesn't look like a place set up for hacking. I think they just want to have fun on a ship and see how it works out if it's not managed down to the exact menu from land. 

 

As for technology, my job is R & D and I do that full time from home since the pandemic started. My range, to the supermarket and back, is less than a cruise ship is long. I'd love to be on a ship that only allows quarantined people that have tested negative for 20 days in a row so it's absolutely corona free. No more masks and being able to communicate in another way than Zoom would be really nice. I hope there will be a similar ship near Europe, preferably in a spot with nice weather.

 

Let's agree to disagree on this one.

 

 

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