dockman Posted November 5, 2020 #1 Share Posted November 5, 2020 https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/Viking-says-shipboard-lab-can-test-all-pax-and-crew-for-Covid If every single person on the ship is tested every single day and anyone who tests positive is immediately quarantined in a special infirmary section of rooms or is disembarked as appropriate it seems this COULD be a game changer to restart cruising ? It seems apparent that the tests are getting faster as well as more accurate with new ones coming out often. Your opinion? Link to post Share on other sites
broberts Posted November 5, 2020 #2 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Likely more trouble than it's worth. Even with 100% accuracy, daily tests will on average allow positive cases 12 hours to infect others. The other serious problem is effective isolation. These people still have to eat, have their living quarters cleaned, receive medical treatment, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
ontheweb Posted November 5, 2020 #3 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I'm not sure you can assume the tests are getting more accurate without seeing some verification. Both false positives and false negatives are going to be a continuing problem. Link to post Share on other sites
sail7seas Posted November 5, 2020 #4 Share Posted November 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, dockman said: https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/Viking-says-shipboard-lab-can-test-all-pax-and-crew-for-Covid If every single person on the ship is tested every single day and anyone who tests positive is immediately quarantined in a special infirmary section of rooms or is disembarked as appropriate it seems this COULD be a game changer to restart cruising ? It seems apparent that the tests are getting faster as well as more accurate with new ones coming out often. Your opinion? NO WAid all. I would Never agree to t hat !!!!. IF it works for you fine but............ nOT me and I am a 'red hot' high risk person if I should be infected. I would test once to board if required and tha t is ll. You asked and I certainly answered your question ! Enjoy your cruise spent in the Infirmary. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
dockman Posted November 5, 2020 Author #5 Share Posted November 5, 2020 2 hours ago, ontheweb said: I'm not sure you can assume the tests are getting more accurate without seeing some verification. Both false positives and false negatives are going to be a continuing problem. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-09-10/just-how-reliable-are-covid-19-tests-experts-weigh-in Link to post Share on other sites
ontheweb Posted November 5, 2020 #6 Share Posted November 5, 2020 3 hours ago, dockman said: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-09-10/just-how-reliable-are-covid-19-tests-experts-weigh-in From the article---reported false negatives are as low as 2% AND AS HIGH AS 37%. That last figure is not very encouraging. Link to post Share on other sites
dockman Posted November 6, 2020 Author #7 Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 hours ago, ontheweb said: From the article---reported false negatives are as low as 2% AND AS HIGH AS 37%. That last figure is not very encouraging. yes correct but it does seem that they are working very hard to get more accurate testing so hopefully that will help....i just want to go cruising again soon.... Link to post Share on other sites
CruiserBruce Posted November 6, 2020 #8 Share Posted November 6, 2020 7 hours ago, dockman said: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-09-10/just-how-reliable-are-covid-19-tests-experts-weigh-in 2 month old article...much has changed in those two months. The NAAT tests Hawaii is requiring are fast, and on the much better end of accuracy. Link to post Share on other sites
dockman Posted November 6, 2020 Author #9 Share Posted November 6, 2020 25 minutes ago, CruiserBruce said: 2 month old article...much has changed in those two months. The NAAT tests Hawaii is requiring are fast, and on the much better end of accuracy. i just did the NAAT one for hawaii two days ago...pretty easy process as they transmit bar code to your phone and when u arrive in hawaii they just scan your phone to see result and if negative you are in with no quarantine...i do think testing is getting better and better and will be a big part of cruising and other activities over coming months... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
CruiserBruce Posted November 6, 2020 #10 Share Posted November 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, dockman said: i just did the NAAT one for hawaii two days ago...pretty easy process as they transmit bar code to your phone and when u arrive in hawaii they just scan your phone to see result and if negative you are in with no quarantine...i do think testing is getting better and better and will be a big part of cruising and other activities over coming months... Hope to be there in a month... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
cruzingnut Posted November 6, 2020 #11 Share Posted November 6, 2020 I feel like people are missing one very important issue here....potential exposure on the way to the cruise. How will you come? Fly? What if someone on the plane near you has the virus? What if someone at the hotel or in a cab/van has the virus? Parking lot shuttle if you drive yourself? If you catch it from someone the day of or prior to the cruise, it will NOT show up in a test. That will take at least a few days for most people and if you are asymptomatic, won't know you have it and will be spreading it around. Much as I want sooooo bad to get back to cruising, and I can even drive to the port since I live so close, I'm not willing to go yet. For me, there will have to be a vaccine AND very good therapeutics available before I'm willing to risk it. Linda R. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Horizon chaser 1957 Posted November 6, 2020 #12 Share Posted November 6, 2020 I’m wondering if a vaccine, if one becomes available, would cause a test to be positive. If it does, and a vaccine becomes a requirement for boarding, it creates a dilemma. If you haven’t had the vaccine, you can’t board. If you have had the vaccine, you test positive and can’t board. Can we have the mass quarantine on Half Moon Cay? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
emmas gran Posted November 6, 2020 #13 Share Posted November 6, 2020 broberts talks about if infected leaving your room for it to be cleaned and eating. When the Princess ship was stuck off Japan in Spring everyone was confined to rooms infected or not and the fresh bedding / towels were left outside to clean up yourself, the meals were minimal and left outside the room on a tray . Link to post Share on other sites
dockman Posted November 6, 2020 Author #14 Share Posted November 6, 2020 my brother was on the Zaandam out of buenos aires ...he said all were confined to their rooms for over two weeks and food (good selections he said) were delivered three times a day with tray left outside door and a knock to let you know.....clean sheets and towels also were left....NOBODY entered their room and they were not allowed to leave (except once or so where they were allowed to get fresh air in a very controlled isolated manner as they did not have a balcony)....described it as sort of a luxury prison with great food and comfortable room but can't leave....said they were fortunate to get to go to library right before lock down and stock up with a lot of books.....(lucky to be on a ship that still HAS a library) 1 Link to post Share on other sites
iceman93 Posted November 7, 2020 #15 Share Posted November 7, 2020 While we're at it, why not test for all variations of the flu, norovirus, AIDS, and everything else that could possibly be contagious. Good lord. Link to post Share on other sites
cruisemom42 Posted November 7, 2020 #16 Share Posted November 7, 2020 12 hours ago, dockman said: ...described it as sort of a luxury prison with great food and comfortable room but can't leave....said they were fortunate to get to go to library right before lock down and stock up with a lot of books.....(lucky to be on a ship that still HAS a library) Another good reason to get a Kindle before your next lockdown....er, I mean cruise....if you don't have one already. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
igraf Posted November 7, 2020 #17 Share Posted November 7, 2020 On 11/5/2020 at 8:30 AM, dockman said: https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/Viking-says-shipboard-lab-can-test-all-pax-and-crew-for-Covid If every single person on the ship is tested every single day and anyone who tests positive is immediately quarantined in a special infirmary section of rooms or is disembarked as appropriate it seems this COULD be a game changer to restart cruising ? It seems apparent that the tests are getting faster as well as more accurate with new ones coming out often. Your opinion? Quarantines are not the answer. How well did that work for the norovirus? Not very well! Vaccines are the only realistic answer, and will become available soon. I am wondering why you did not mention vaccines as part of the strategy. igraf Link to post Share on other sites
Hflors Posted November 8, 2020 #18 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Needing to get tested once is a game changer for me. Every day? NOT!!! I want to be a "vacationer" not a "guinea pig"... Link to post Share on other sites
Doubt It Posted November 9, 2020 #19 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Absolutely not interested in such a scenario and to pay for it, no way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sail7seas Posted November 12, 2020 #20 Share Posted November 12, 2020 On 11/5/2020 at 9:40 PM, dockman said: i just did the NAAT one for hawaii two days ago...pretty easy process as they transmit bar code to your phone and when u arrive in hawaii they just scan your phone to see result and if negative you are in with no quarantine...i do think testing is getting better and better and will be a big part of cruising and other activities over coming months... ............... And for those who (horror of horrors ) go through life with only a land line phone ??? Since the plague arrived on ourr shoes, the land line meets my needs,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I never have any desire or regular use for a smart phone....... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
JimnKaren Posted November 12, 2020 #21 Share Posted November 12, 2020 The idea of possibly testing everyone (passengers and crew) daily would mean a BIG expense. Would the cruise lines pass that along to the passengers? Would they reduce the pay to the crew? Depending on the size of the ship, possibly three or more additional crew members to do the checking and paperwork involved. Jim Link to post Share on other sites
KroozNut Posted November 17, 2020 #22 Share Posted November 17, 2020 On 11/5/2020 at 6:55 PM, CruiserBruce said: Hope to be there in a month... Best of luck.. We have a trip to Maui planned for next June, and we're keeping our fingers crossed for that one! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ScottC4746 Posted November 19, 2020 #23 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Here is a link to HAL's information regarding what they are planning. https://www.hollandamerica.com/en_US/news/coronavirus-travel-advisory/traveling-and-staying-healthy.html Link to post Share on other sites
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