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1 hour ago, kruzn63 said:

You know why🤔

It was just announced on MSNBC that a third party company does the trials for Pfizer. They just notified Pfizer of the results of their trials yesterday. Pfizer did not know of the results. The Pfizer CEO was just notified yesterday, Nov. 8th at 2:00pm.

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1 hour ago, broberts said:

 

Mask wearing is with us for some time to come. They are needed because it will take more than a year to vaccinate everyone. 

Why would someone who is protected by the vaccine have to wear a mask in public? A protected person, by the vaccine, could not possibly be able to pass on the virus when said person is not contagious. Isn't that the way it works????

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6 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

Why would someone who is protected by the vaccine have to wear a mask in public? A protected person, by the vaccine, could not possibly be able to pass on the virus when said person is not contagious. Isn't that the way it works????

At the moment it looks like this vaccine might be 90% effective.  That is wonderfully high, but it still means that 10% of those vaccinated can get sick and be contagious.  They would have no way to know that until it is too late.

 

That's where getting to herd immunity comes in.  It helps to prevent community spread.

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21 minutes ago, notmyrealnameoremail said:

At the moment it looks like this vaccine might be 90% effective.  That is wonderfully high, but it still means that 10% of those vaccinated can get sick and be contagious.  They would have no way to know that until it is too late.

 

That's where getting to herd immunity comes in.  It helps to prevent community spread.

It does mean you are much less likely to come into contact with someone who is contagious or ill though.  Just like other vaccines where people rarely catch the illness even if the vaccine is less effective.  Your odds of coming into contact with someone who has the illness drops dramatically. That's how herd immunity works.  You also are less likely to have a severe illness if you've been vaccinated.  Just like most who catch the flu who have been vaccinated have much less symptoms, shorter length of illness and less likely to have a secondary infection.

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43 minutes ago, LorraineP said:

If getting a vaccine is a cruising requirement, I will give up cruising. 

Why?  We'll get it.  There's too much misinformation spread on social media that has scared people into thinking something that just isn't true.

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Just now, BND said:

It does mean you are much less likely to come into contact with someone who is contagious or ill though.  Just like other vaccines where people rarely catch the illness even if the vaccine is less effective.  Your odds of coming into contact with someone who has the illness drops dramatically. That's how herd immunity works.

I agree, but that effect gets stronger as the percentage of people vaccinated goes up.

 

Assuming 90% effective rate.

 

When 16% of the public is vaccinated, 14.4% are immune and roughly 7 out of 8 of the people you meet are not immune.

 

When 56% are vaccinated, just under half of the people you encounter are not immune and thus a risk to others 

 

Get 90% vaccinated and 19% of people you meet are still a risk.

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14 minutes ago, BND said:

The normal protocol is to remove people from the study due to illness of any kind.

But what is atypical in this instance is the individuals contracted the very illness that they were being immunized for (possibly) 

Normal protocol in an instance such as this would be to investigate the possibility that the drug being tested was the source of the illness. I do not see any documentation of this, and I 100% guarantee the FDA will want to see these findings during their review. 

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8 minutes ago, notmyrealnameoremail said:

I agree, but that effect gets stronger as the percentage of people vaccinated goes up.

 

Assuming 90% effective rate.

 

When 16% of the public is vaccinated, 14.4% are immune and roughly 7 out of 8 of the people you meet are not immune.

 

When 56% are vaccinated, just under half of the people you encounter are not immune and thus a risk to others 

 

Get 90% vaccinated and 19% of people you meet are still a risk.

But, what percentage of that 19% have actually been exposed to someone that does have it?  That lowers the risk even more.

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43 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

Why would someone who is protected by the vaccine have to wear a mask in public? A protected person, by the vaccine, could not possibly be able to pass on the virus when said person is not contagious. Isn't that the way it works????

 

A whole host of reasons:

  • Vaccine are not 100% effective
  • There is a period after receiving a vaccine before one is protected
  • It will be some time before enough people have been vaccinated to achieve need immunity, if it is achievable
  • I'm not sure data exists for how infectious the inoculated might be
  • There is little to no data on the durability of a vaccination.
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17 minutes ago, notmyrealnameoremail said:

I agree, but that effect gets stronger as the percentage of people vaccinated goes up.

 

Assuming 90% effective rate.

 

When 16% of the public is vaccinated, 14.4% are immune and roughly 7 out of 8 of the people you meet are not immune.

 

When 56% are vaccinated, just under half of the people you encounter are not immune and thus a risk to others 

 

Get 90% vaccinated and 19% of people you meet are still a risk.

I think people are missing facts, go going on with assumptions.

 

This measure was taken at 28 days after first booster.

 

Effects of 2nd booster expected out around dec 1st. ... 

 

Another question is flu vaccine means you dont get the flu as bad, if you get it. People dont know yet if this is true for covid. 

 

People dont seem to be taking into consideration this is 28 days after shot 1 of 2.

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10 minutes ago, broberts said:

 

A whole host of reasons:

  • Vaccine are not 100% effective
  • There is a period after receiving a vaccine before one is protected
  • It will be some time before enough people have been vaccinated to achieve need immunity, if it is achievable
  • I'm not sure data exists for how infectious the inoculated might be
  • There is little to no data on the durability of a vaccination.

Why would inoculated be infectious at all. A live virus isnt in the shot. .. talking about the pfeister vaccine only. 

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2 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

Why would inoculated be infectious at all. A live virus isnt in the shot. .. talking about the pfeister vaccine only. 

As far as I know none use a live virus so not an issue.

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Just because it is 90% effective doesn't mean the 10% will get the full blown illness. The quote is that it is 90% effective in preventing Covid symptoms.  Those other 10% may still have developed partial immunity.   This is not an attenuated virus vaccine.  It is a two part vaccine.  

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1 minute ago, firefly333 said:

Why would inoculated be infectious at all. A live virus isnt in the shot. .. talking about the pfeister vaccine only. 

 

Speed of the immune reaction is unknown. It is known that pre covid transmission is possible.

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1 hour ago, coffeebean said:

Why would someone who is protected by the vaccine have to wear a mask in public? A protected person, by the vaccine, could not possibly be able to pass on the virus when said person is not contagious. Isn't that the way it works????

Possibly someone could be a carrier of the virus and pass on to someone who is not masked.     Plus there is the 10% +/- ineffectiveness.   I keep hearing we will be wearing masks for a while.   

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1 hour ago, notmyrealnameoremail said:

At the moment it looks like this vaccine might be 90% effective.  That is wonderfully high, but it still means that 10% of those vaccinated can get sick and be contagious.  They would have no way to know that until it is too late.

 

That's where getting to herd immunity comes in.  It helps to prevent community spread.

Once it is determined that The US has reached herd immunity is when we can remove our masks?

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The President-elect has already made it clear in public statements that masks are the way of the future for the country. Masks will be required, vaccinated or not, until COVID is eradicated worldwide. YOu can't tell the difference between someone that is vaccinated and an unvaccinated person who has just stepped off an international flight. 

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