Will RCL/Cruise Lines get to choose the vaccine they require to allow you to sail?

[ace2542]

11 minutes ago, grapau27 said:

Even after having covid19 I will and hopefully everyone will get a vaccine and particularly before getting on a ship.

Just heard from a good friend that a 33 year old man he knows who was Europes 5th strongest Man in 2018 with no health issues has died 11 days after contracting covid19.

The sooner people realise it can affect young and extremely fit people and get the vaccine when it is available the safer everyone will be.

I have googled what you said and found the name. I won't name him on a public forum that is not my place. I would hardly say he had no health issues. He was a heavy man and his profession must have put a strain on his heart. Plus his eating regime. I don't think human bodies are meant for that kind of training are they?

Edited November 21, 2020 by ace2542

[Milwaukee Eight]

5 hours ago, not-enough-cruising said:

We will have to agree to disagree.  For cruises embarking from the USA, once the CDC declares the pandemic is no longer, the mask recommendations on land will cease to exist.  If the federal government is not mandating masks on land, the CDC will no longer mandate masks on a cruise ship. Once the CDC requirement is gone, there is no cruise line n the world that would mandate that on their own.

I don’t believe the Federal Government can legally mandate masks. They can do so on Federal Property and Facilities. It’s up to each State Governor and even then, I’m not sure it’s enforceable when using the courts. 

[Milwaukee Eight]

49 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

The mandate might stay in place and people get fined for not wearing them

Sorry. Not going to happen. The courts would never allow it. 

[Milwaukee Eight]

49 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

Ok so if they can't get it by paying money then perhaps a good option would be signing the daughter/granddaughter up for a vaccine trial? With the only other option being cancelling or changing the sailing date if they will allow that.

Half the people in a trial don’t get the vaccine. 

[Milwaukee Eight]

47 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

Yes. COVID not the vaccine. In China it is not raging now if reports from there are to believe. 

 

 

 

 

How do you know what’s going on in China?

[Ocean Boy]

26 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

How do you know what’s going on in China?

Reading the Beijing Gazette?

[not-enough-cruising]

1 hour ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I don’t believe the Federal Government can legally mandate masks. They can do so on Federal Property and Facilities. It’s up to each State Governor and even then, I’m not sure it’s enforceable when using the courts. 

You are 100% correct, "recommend" would have been a better term for me to use, however with regards to the CDC and cruise ships it will be a mandate in the beginning.

Edited November 22, 2020 by not-enough-cruising

[Charles4515]

1 hour ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

How do you know what’s going on in China?

From people who live there. Also some of my neighbors are from China and have family back home. I live in an area with many international residents. Embassy workers. In addition US government workers for many agencies. 

Edited November 22, 2020 by Charles4515

[Milwaukee Eight]

1 hour ago, not-enough-cruising said:

You are 100% correct, "recommend" would have been a better term for me to use, however with regards to the CDC and cruise ships it will be a mandate in the beginning.

The cruise ships may/can mandate. It’s their business, their rules. Don’t like their rules, don’t sail. I suppose the CDC could require it as a condition of the CSO. 
 

M8

[not-enough-cruising]

6 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

The cruise ships may/can mandate. It’s their business, their rules. Don’t like their rules, don’t sail. I suppose the CDC could require it as a condition of the CSO. 
 

M8

Yeah, that’s pretty much my point. 

[BirdTravels]

4 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I don’t believe the Federal Government can legally mandate masks. They can do so on Federal Property and Facilities. It’s up to each State Governor and even then, I’m not sure it’s enforceable when using the courts. 

Everyone will be mandated to wear masks and lockdown, shutting down the country,  starting January 22. 

[ace2542]

9 hours ago, Charles4515 said:

From people who live there. Also some of my neighbors are from China and have family back home. I live in an area with many international residents. Embassy workers. In addition US government workers for many agencies. 

Did these neighours tell you about the dead bodies being thrown out of every house into the street at the start of the pandemic in Whuan? The death toll is much higher than they are admitting. I don't believe a word they say.

[nelblu]

7 hours ago, BirdTravels said:

Everyone will be mandated to wear masks and lockdown, shutting down the country,  starting January 22. 

Are we talking about a 24 hour shutdown.  See the article below and not for a day or 2.  Also, targeted another 3 cities in Essex County , NJ 

 

No Official Order Issued in Newark’s Local “Lockdown” — For Now | TAPinto 

 

We will either get infected  from C 19 or go nuts!

Edited November 22, 2020 by nelblu

[ace2542]

9 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

The cruise ships may/can mandate. It’s their business, their rules. Don’t like their rules, don’t sail. I suppose the CDC could require it as a condition of the CSO. 
 

M8

That depends if the CDC want to destroy the cruise industry or not. Because many people won't wear masks especially after being vaccinated. Then again no mask wearing after sailing resumes might lead to the lines being sued if someone contracts the virus?

Edited November 22, 2020 by ace2542

[Milwaukee Eight]

5 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

That depends if the CDC want to destroy the cruise industry or not. Because many people won't wear masks especially after being vaccinated. Then again no mask wearing after sailing resumes might lead to the lines being sued if someone contracts the virus?

It’s like smoking in the cabin/balcony. Break their rules more than a couple of times and then escorted off the ship. 
 

i personally don’t think the CDC is out to “destroy “ the cruise industry. The CDC is trying to protect us. They don’t want the cruise lines dumping off sick/exposed passengers into US Ports. The CDC doesn’t want to burden the US Healthcare System. They want the cruise lines to handle those that become infected/exposed onboard. 
 

M8

Edited November 22, 2020 by Milwaukee Eight

[ace2542]

8 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

It’s like smoking in the cabin/balcony. Break their rules more than a couple of times and then escorted off the ship. 
 

M8

And banned for life from the entire grouping you missed that bit out. And deported a country depending upon location. As happened to the 60 odd year old who attacked the DJ on the Queen Mary 2 on NYE when he wouldn't play her a song. He pushed him over in his booth and he threw his back out. She got banned from all 7 carnival brand lines cunard, princess, etc etc and deported and banned for 10 years from the U.S for having no return ticket as she was booted from the Jan 3rd return sailing midtrip at Red Hook. Her cruising career is over.

 

And FYI what they say about smoking material being thrown over the side being drawn into the ship to cause a fire is a load of rubbish.

Edited November 22, 2020 by ace2542

[ace2542]

9 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

It’s like smoking in the cabin/balcony. Break their rules more than a couple of times and then escorted off the ship. 
 

i personally don’t think the CDC is out to “destroy “ the cruise industry. The CDC is trying to protect us. They don’t want the cruise lines dumping off sick/exposed passengers into US Ports. The CDC doesn’t want to burden the US Healthcare System. They want the cruise lines to handle those that become infected/exposed onboard. 
 

M8

A lot of that will likely be taken out of their hands as I can see U.S Gov not allowing tourists into the U.S unless they have been vaccinated.

[chengkp75]

8 hours ago, BirdTravels said:

Everyone will be mandated to wear masks and lockdown, shutting down the country,  starting January 22. 

I know you post this on every forum and at every chance you can get, given your unhappiness with the election, but until you provide proof of this, please stop.  Do you have knowledge of how this national mask mandate and national lockdown would be enacted?  What statute or federal regulation allows the federal government the authority to do this?  Or are you simply spewing conspiracy theories?

[not-enough-cruising]

4 hours ago, ace2542 said:

 

And FYI what they say about smoking material being thrown over the side being drawn into the ship to cause a fire is a load of rubbish.

Now THAT👆🏻👆🏻is a load of rubbish!! 

[BND]

19 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I don’t believe the Federal Government can legally mandate masks. They can do so on Federal Property and Facilities. It’s up to each State Governor and even then, I’m not sure it’s enforceable when using the courts. 

Federal Gov can enforce it on Fed property, but it's up to each state as to enforce it in their state.  There is no possible way to enforce it nationwide.  Who would do it?  You'd need way too many Federal law enforcement to do so and not every state/locale would cooperate.   It's akin to martial law.  Some places already refuse to enforce ICE regulations so don't expect them to do it for mask wearing.  Businesses and states/counties/cities can enforce their own and they already are in most places.  Stating a nationwide shutdown or mask wearing was the dumbest campaign ad I saw.  Everyone knew it wasn't enforceable, but it was still stated as a way to win votes among those that don't understand how it wasn't possible.

Edited November 22, 2020 by BND

[BND]

17 hours ago, Charles4515 said:

From people who live there. Also some of my neighbors are from China and have family back home. I live in an area with many international residents. Embassy workers. In addition US government workers for many agencies. 

Everyone in the DC metro area has neighbors who are from all over the world and live in neighborhoods where many work for many "agencies", including me.  China is lying through their teeth and their population isn't being told everything.  That's how they operate.  There is absolutely no way their numbers are as low as they state for public consumption.   

[BND]

14 hours ago, BirdTravels said:

Everyone will be mandated to wear masks and lockdown, shutting down the country,  starting January 22. 

Nope, not going to happen.  BTW, where did you come up with that?

Edited November 22, 2020 by BND

[BND]

20 hours ago, grapau27 said:

Even after having covid19 I will and hopefully everyone will get a vaccine and particularly before getting on a ship.

Just heard from a good friend that a 33 year old man he knows who was Europes 5th strongest Man in 2018 with no health issues has died 11 days after contracting covid19.

The sooner people realise it can affect young and extremely fit people and get the vaccine when it is available the safer everyone will be.

Healthy young people die from the flu every year also.  So, one healthy "strongman" dying isn't proof of anything.  It's a useless statistic really.  Covid can affect  younger people, but it's still rare for them to get really sick or die.  Up until a week or so ago we hadn't had anyone under 40 die in our county and then only 1 in the 40-49 yr group.  This week there was one death in the 30-39 yr old range, but I highly doubt it was a healthy person.  As a lot of infectious disease Dr's have said, we need to be protecting the elderly and vulnerable as that's where the vast majority of severe illness and deaths  have been.

 

There are a lot of diseases that "can" affect younger people, but we don't stop the world over them.

[grapau27]

1 hour ago, BND said:

Healthy young people die from the flu every year also.  So, one healthy "strongman" dying isn't proof of anything.  It's a useless statistic really.  Covid can affect  younger people, but it's still rare for them to get really sick or die.  Up until a week or so ago we hadn't had anyone under 40 die in our county and then only 1 in the 40-49 yr group.  This week there was one death in the 30-39 yr old range, but I highly doubt it was a healthy person.  As a lot of infectious disease Dr's have said, we need to be protecting the elderly and vulnerable as that's where the vast majority of severe illness and deaths  have been.

 

There are a lot of diseases that "can" affect younger people, but we don't stop the world over them.

I acknowledge what you are saying about young people and anyone of any age can die of any illness.

The difference with Covid19 is it is the first disease to halt cruising for 9 months and potentially 1 year plus and cause lockdowns all around the world.

It can cause no symptoms or kill you.

I have had covid19 for 16 days being fairly seriously ill and stuck in bed for 16 days.

To reply to the thread question I think that any vaccine which has been approved for use will be acceptable to the cruise line and it is up to the cruiseline in association with the CDC to insist on everyone having proof of having the vaccine.

Graham

[BND]

17 minutes ago, grapau27 said:

I acknowledge what you are saying about young people and anyone of any age can die of any illness.

The difference with Covid19 is it is the first disease to halt cruising for 9 months and potentially 1 year plus and cause lockdowns all around the world.

It can cause no symptoms or kill you.

I have had covid19 for 16 days being fairly seriously ill and stuck in bed for 16 days.

To reply to the thread question I think that any vaccine which has been approved for use will be acceptable to the cruise line and it is up to the cruiseline in association with the CDC to insist on everyone having proof of having the vaccine.

Graham

We have a couple of friends who have had it and all (over 60) recovered fine.  One took a little longer to feel normal again, but he's good now and back to running.  He also has no clue where he caught it.  He lives in FL with his wife, who didn't catch it and stayed home a lot. He has worked from home for years.  Two of his daughters live near them and they see them all the time and they didn't either.  Not everyone exposed will catch it.  We definitely will get the vaccine and people need to let go of the fear that really isn't justified about it.  Most of them can't tell you what they're afraid of with getting the vaccine other than the unknown.  Well, guess what?  That's life too, it's an unknown.   I get the fear of being stuck on a ship with sick people, but the targeting of cruises in particular has really hurt them.  While Covid can kill you, 97% of the time it won't.  And if you're under 65, more like 99% of the time.   We all know the biggest problem with cruises is the demographic involved.  While the average age of cruisers onboard is in the what, 40's, that is only that low because of the children that cruise.  If you average the age of adults, it's probably more like 55-60 which means a lot of people are over 65 which seems to be the age that severe infection really starts ramping up.  I agree that any approved vaccine will satisfy any requirement.

Edited November 22, 2020 by BND