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We may well be seeing a Glimmer of hope:

 

Covid numbers in Europe, new cases, reported; 22 Nov 230155

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                                                                                    24 Nov 173580

                                                                                    25 Nov 175517

 

Still a long way to go.

 

 

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9 hours ago, mercury7289 said:

We may well be seeing a Glimmer of hope:

 

Covid numbers in Europe, new cases, reported; 22 Nov 230155

                                                                                    23 Nov 190845

                                                                                    24 Nov 173580

                                                                                    25 Nov 175517

 

Still a long way to go.

 

 

Nice to see numbers coming down.

Hopefully when a vaccine is available those numbers will drop significantly.

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As of figures released today 696 deaths in UK in last 24 hrs and the worst since May cannot help thinking that things are not beginning to get better or under control and after Christmas 5 day break might be another higher spike in January.

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1 minute ago, majortom10 said:

As of figures released today 696 deaths in UK in last 24 hrs and the worst since May cannot help thinking that things are not beginning to get better or under control and after Christmas 5 day break might be another higher spike in January.

Deaths lag cases though and with numbers now decreasing, hopefully the deaths will follow suit in a couple of weeks. 

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27 minutes ago, majortom10 said:

As of figures released today 696 deaths in UK in last 24 hrs and the worst since May cannot help thinking that things are not beginning to get better or under control and after Christmas 5 day break might be another higher spike in January.

I hope you’re wrong but I also wonder whether Christmas will trigger another spike. 

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12 minutes ago, Ardennais said:

I hope you’re wrong but I also wonder whether Christmas will trigger another spike. 

If people start meeting up I think you can guarantee it. As stated earlier this week meet your grandparents at Christmas, bury them in January. Is Christmas that important that people want to take the risk. It has been a long slog for a lot of folk since March so maybe a few more weeks won't hurt.

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Infections are actually going up in my area.

 

The week ending 1st November, the figure was 141 per 100,000 and the latest figure is 429 per 100000, and still on an upward trajectory.

 

From where I’m sitting, this Christmas amnesty seems most unwise

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49 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said:

Infections are actually going up in my area.

 

The week ending 1st November, the figure was 141 per 100,000 and the latest figure is 429 per 100000, and still on an upward trajectory.

 

From where I’m sitting, this Christmas amnesty seems most unwise

I would be happy to send you the Huddersfield MP if you will have him,, he wants to keep the lockdown through into the new year, not quite certain which one though.:classic_rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, yorkshirephil said:

If people start meeting up I think you can guarantee it. As stated earlier this week meet your grandparents at Christmas, bury them in January. Is Christmas that important that people want to take the risk. It has been a long slog for a lot of folk since March so maybe a few more weeks won't hurt.

Just rubbish. If your Grandparents have medical issues, yes, of course, protect them. But saying that by spending a few hours with healthy 70 year olds will condemn them to death is just nonsense

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9 hours ago, wowzz said:

Just rubbish. If your Grandparents have medical issues, yes, of course, protect them. But saying that by spending a few hours with healthy 70 year olds will condemn them to death is just nonsense

Wowzz, you seem to have the opposite view on this to your anti vaxxing view of virus transmission.

Personally we will take the opportunity to visit children and grandchildren at Xmas, but for safetys sake we will observe social distancing, and no hugging. It would be very stupid to risk catching the virus when a vaccine is within touching distance.

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1 minute ago, terrierjohn said:

Wowzz, you seem to have the opposite view on this to your anti vaxxing view of virus transmission.

Personally we will take the opportunity to visit children and grandchildren at Xmas, but for safetys sake we will observe social distancing, and no hugging. It would be very stupid to risk catching the virus when a vaccine is within touching distance.

Just to be clear,  I am not anti-vaxing - no one is sure  yet about how effective any vaccine will be in suppressing transmission. 

My main point was refute the statement that by meeting your grandparents at Christmas you would be condemning them to  inevitable death in January ! 

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38 minutes ago, wowzz said:

Just to be clear,  I am not anti-vaxing - no one is sure  yet about how effective any vaccine will be in suppressing transmission. 

My main point was refute the statement that by meeting your grandparents at Christmas you would be condemning them to  inevitable death in January ! 

The message is that there is a risk attached to families meeting in numbers at Christmas. The older generation are more at risk, so it follows that there is a chance they will catch it and it could be fatal. 

 

To state you are condemning to inevitable death is melodramatic. The message needs to be out there because many seem to want Christmas and socialising and not bother about the risks.

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55 minutes ago, wowzz said:

Just to be clear,  I am not anti-vaxing - no one is sure  yet about how effective any vaccine will be in suppressing transmission. 

My main point was refute the statement that by meeting your grandparents at Christmas you would be condemning them to  inevitable death in January ! 

But that may very well prove correct in many cases. 

I was heartened and a little humbled when discussing Xmas arrangements, my eldest son said he would never forgive himself if anything happened to us if we caught covid as a result of visiting them over Xmas.  Which is why we will be very careful to follow all the social distancing rules.

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We all have our own theories and ideas as to how we should proceed over Christmas. No-one really knows for certain, not even the scientists can agree. So it's up to us to discuss it as a family and decide what we personally feel is the safest way to spend Christmas. Our daughter who lives alone, has decided to stay at home over Christmas, whereas our grandson who will be  alone in his new flat is coming to visit over the 3 days, but will sleeping at home. Between you and me, I think he just wants his meals😁

South Yorkshire mayor, Dan Jarvis has said that he wants to keep us in tier 3 after this lockdown, even though our cases are falling quickly and the lowest they been for a while. He said we need to be firm, persevere and keep the numbers coming down as much as possible and wait for the vaccine. I agree, but then I don't have to work or have a family to care for. One size doesn't fit all, which is why we have to do what is best for ourselves, but stay within the set guidelines.

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11 minutes ago, terrierjohn said:

But that may very well prove correct in many cases. 

I was heartened and a little humbled when discussing Xmas arrangements, my eldest son said he would never forgive himself if anything happened to us if we caught covid as a result of visiting them over Xmas.  Which is why we will be very careful to follow all the social distancing rules.

Our niece who is a key worker said exactly the same to us.

She has been to ours for Xmas day for several years but doesn't want to put us at risk.

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Years ago, we used to have my parents and my MIL here from 24th to 26th December. As they got older, it was quite a logistical feat getting them here, as my parents lived in Essex and my MIL in London

 

My MIL died in 1996, and I knew that my mum and dad really preferred to stay at home at Christmas, so, after speaking to them we mutually agreed that we’d all stay home at Christmas. 
 

Therefore, for the last 25 yrs it’s been just myself and my husband for Christmas, and it’s lovely and relaxing - we really enjoy it.

 

So we’ll be having our normal Christmas this year. 

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3 hours ago, bobstheboy said:

The message is that there is a risk attached to families meeting in numbers at Christmas. The older generation are more at risk, so it follows that there is a chance they will catch it and it could be fatal. 

 

To state you are condemning to inevitable death is melodramatic. The message needs to be out there because many seem to want Christmas and socialising and not bother about the risks.

And this is exactly what happens when know it all's twist anybody else's opinion to suit theirs. 

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