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1 hour ago, emmas gran said:

OK lets go off topic again.

How many of you sanitize your hands after bringing in the mail?? We do after any delivery to our home.

 

I have a friend who brings shopping home from the grocery /supermarket and washes/rinses it in her bathtub!!

 

Here's one that seemed extreme to me.  One of my doctors is over 70 and still enjoys playing tennis and only plays singles with one or two friends.  When they play, they play outside and each player only uses their own balls.  The balls are initialed and they only pick-up and serve with their own balls.  

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I suspect we will be wearing masks inside for a long time and suspect cruising will require them for at least a year.  It will take a VERY long time to have the vaccine distributed worldwide, they won't take chances.  Wearing a mask is REALLY no big deal once you get used to it.  I wear one 9-10 hours a day, do I like it? No, but is it a big deal anymore? No. 

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My barber is over 80 and has only one lung, but refuses to stay home.  Despite his vulnerability, he says, he loved his work and don't want to stay home and die.  He says that he want to live until he dies.  

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51 minutes ago, Gracie115 said:

Wearing a mask is REALLY no big deal once you get used to it.  I wear one 9-10 hours a day, do I like it? No, but is it a big deal anymore? No. 

Having to wear them at work and being forced to wear them on a paid vacation are two entirely different things.  Maybe it's REALLY not a big deal to you, but a high percentage of people on cruise critic have said masks are a deal breaker for cruising.  And that is from cruise addicts at a cruise forum.  I do agree, it's likely cruises will be masked up for at least a year.  Question is does that mean from now, or from whenever they finally start sailing..... 😞  

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2 minutes ago, bouhunter said:

Having to wear them at work and being forced to wear them on a paid vacation are two entirely different things.  Maybe it's REALLY not a big deal to you, but a high percentage of people on cruise critic have said masks are a deal breaker for cruising.  And that is from cruise addicts at a cruise forum.  I do agree, it's likely cruises will be masked up for at least a year.  Question is does that mean from now, or from whenever they finally start sailing..... 😞  

 

I agree that it is 2 different things, but for me and my DH we would have no problem having to do that on a cruise.  I realize some don't agree, but if that is what it will take to sail again, then fine.  I won't have to wear one sitting on my balcony sipping a glass of wine watching the ocean, which for us is one of the best things about cruising.  

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20 hours ago, Keys Kathy said:

I am interested in my CC cohorts opinion on what will happen next. Does anyone know how the Cruise Lines will deal with the vaccine?

 

I believe that the current plan includes testing before you get on, limited interaction with people in the ports etc. Are they requiring people wear masks or just sanitize?

 

There have been lines that have required masks and limiting buffets and entertainment. 

 

So, if we have had our shots, and I mean both, what is the next plan? We will we still need to be tested and wear masks? I have always said I would not cruise with a mask. Does anyone have any info???

Keys Kathy.  I understand your concerns.  My dw and I will likely not cruise again until the necessity of wearing masks and social distancing on ships goes away (mostly).   But I am not as pessimistic as some folks on this.  Once there is widespread vaccine available and good acceptance by the population, I truly believe we will start to see a dramatic reduction in COVID hospitalizations and deaths.  Perhaps by mid-2021.  If you are vaccinated, you would still need to wear a mask for awhile anyway.  Why?  To see if the vaccine actually stops people from transmitting the vaccine to the non-vaccinated even if they are not themselves ill.  But that will be known soon enough as people get vaccinated.  My own opinion (but no strong evidence yet) is that these vaccines will stop or very much limit viral transmission.  That is the only real way the pandemic ends.  So if as many people as possible get vaccinated the necessity of masks and social distancing is in the rear view mirror.  The people who chose for whatever reason not to get vaccinated then are just putting themselves at risk.  

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6 hours ago, emmas gran said:

OK lets go off topic again.

How many of you sanitize your hands after bringing in the mail?? We do after any delivery to our home.

 

I have a friend who brings shopping home from the grocery /supermarket and washes/rinses it in her bathtub!!

emmas gran way back in March/April I definitely took these precautions with mail, groceries and packages.  But the science now says otherwise.  The world has learned a lot about this virus since then. There is very little risk (not zero but very very low) in you getting the virus from these routes as it is mainly spread by respiratory droplets airborne and in particular in enclosed areas without much ventilation. 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-covid-spreads.html

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17 minutes ago, TeeRick said:

Once there is widespread vaccine available and good acceptance by the population

That's the " key " !!! 

Perhaps I am wrong, but, it seems that there are way too many people posting on CC and what we see on a major news ( ?? ) network , where masks and social distancing are not being observed and who will not take the vaccine .

We have FCCs that I doubt will be used---- What a pity, but, better to be safe .

 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Pinboy said:

That's the " key " !!! 

Perhaps I am wrong, but, it seems that there are way too many people posting on CC and what we see on a major news ( ?? ) network , where masks and social distancing are not being observed and who will not take the vaccine .

We have FCCs that I doubt will be used---- What a pity, but, better to be safe .

 

 

 

 

Let's see how it plays out.  I am thinking that there will be major campaigns and frequent communications to get as many people vaccinated as possible once these vaccines are widely available.  If the current surge in hospitalizations and deaths continues and peaks in the next 1-2 months post-holiday-season in the US and elsewhere,  that should hopefully convince a lot of reluctant people to get the vaccine.  But not everybody.  You can lead a horse to water.........

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3 minutes ago, eaflorida said:

I am not interested in getting a vaccine.

That is your choice and most will not have any problem with that.  However,  do not complain when you will have to stay home and not be able to board a cruise ship or fly Internationally for the next few years because of your choice.

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2 hours ago, bouhunter said:

Having to wear them at work and being forced to wear them on a paid vacation are two entirely different things.  Maybe it's REALLY not a big deal to you, but a high percentage of people on cruise critic have said masks are a deal breaker for cruising.  And that is from cruise addicts at a cruise forum.  I do agree, it's likely cruises will be masked up for at least a year.  Question is does that mean from now, or from whenever they finally start sailing..... 😞  

I wear a mask daily, although not for extended periods of time for the most part, so if wearing a mask was the only thing required of me to cruise again, I'd certainly do so.  As for the CC members who have said "never" over the past nine months, I wonder how many would still say that today. I also wonder how many would really turn down the opportunity to sail if wearing a mask was the only impediment.

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38 minutes ago, Fouremco said:

I wear a mask daily, although not for extended periods of time for the most part, so if wearing a mask was the only thing required of me to cruise again, I'd certainly do so.  As for the CC members who have said "never" over the past nine months, I wonder how many would still say that today. I also wonder how many would really turn down the opportunity to sail if wearing a mask was the only impediment.

Although we’re certainly more used to wearing masks these days it’s still a big no for us. A cruise is two years savings for us, we’re not high earners so that money means a lot to us. If we had the ability to cruise multiple times a year as many on here do it would be different but it’s too expensive for us to cut down the experience.

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59 minutes ago, terrydtx said:

That is your choice and most will not have any problem with that.  However,  do not complain when you will have to stay home and not be able to board a cruise ship or fly Internationally for the next few years because of your choice.

 

I got into a heated discussion about that yesterday.  The other person feels that travel industry shouldn't be able to dictate that people can use their service if vaccinated or not.  My response was it's a private business, so they can make their rules and they need to also keep their employees safe.  That didn't go over well.

 

Mind you, this person is definitely very pro-mask, etc., but takes umbrage at that.  Personally, whether we can travel or not, I'll get the vaccine.  But if all of the travel industry requires people be vaccinated, I'm behind them 100%.  I'd prefer not to see people stuck in a foreign port on a ship while the virus runs unchecked again...

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30 minutes ago, yorky said:

Although we’re certainly more used to wearing masks these days it’s still a big no for us. A cruise is two years savings for us, we’re not high earners so that money means a lot to us. If we had the ability to cruise multiple times a year as many on here do it would be different but it’s too expensive for us to cut down the experience.

 

I understand your feelings but just wonder why you think wearing a mask would impact you, or anyone who won't sail because of having to wear one.  From what I've read they would be required in public areas, but not when eating or drinking so I don't understand how it makes the cruise experience so much less.  I am asking sincerely, would really like to hear reasons for this so that I understand your concerns better. (and others also who have said the same)

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29 minutes ago, K.T.B. said:

 

I got into a heated discussion about that yesterday.  The other person feels that travel industry shouldn't be able to dictate that people can use their service if vaccinated or not.  My response was it's a private business, so they can make their rules and they need to also keep their employees safe.  That didn't go over well.

 

Mind you, this person is definitely very pro-mask, etc., but takes umbrage at that.  Personally, whether we can travel or not, I'll get the vaccine.  But if all of the travel industry requires people be vaccinated, I'm behind them 100%.  I'd prefer not to see people stuck in a foreign port on a ship while the virus runs unchecked again...

I agree private businesses can have mandates as they choose, the cruise lines do not want to see a repeat of what happened in March and April with ships and passengers stranded all over the world in quarantine.  I have read in some other travel blogs that countries like Australia and even states like Hawaii may limit incoming travelers to only those that are vaccinated. next year.

 

Comparing a Covid vaccine to other disease vaccines  is pointless because we have never seen a pandemic like this in recent modern history. More money and research all over the world has been thrown into this vaccine than at any time in history. This has cut down the time for development and testing from years to less than one year and in reality it is almost a medical miracle. 

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58 minutes ago, terrydtx said:

That is your choice and most will not have any problem with that.  However,  do not complain when you will have to stay home and not be able to board a cruise ship or fly Internationally for the next few years because of your choice.

 

Please could you provide evidence?

 

Based on what we know now the vast majority of cruisers and international travellers will not have had the vaccine by April/May. How long can private companies afford to wait when the mortality rate drops to a fraction of that of influenza to wait for everyone else to be vaccinated?

 

It is estimated by the UK Government by April/May over 99% of covid-19 deaths will be avoided. If there is enough take up, by then covid-19 will be relegated to a disease less harmful than most we do not have vaccine certificates for in the UK.

 

Once high income nations have gotten covid-19 mortality under control there will be immense pressure from the UN, WHO, countries and other international groups to have vaccine stocks released to low income countries before the low risk groups in high income countries. 

 

Depending on the monitoring of adverse effects the UK government has said it may not roll out the vaccine to under 50's.

 

Depending on the studies done on phase 1 roll out, governments and the WHO may not recommend vaccination for large swathes of populations, it may not make financial or ethical sense to vaccinate those at the lowest risk, this is unknown at the moment

 

If private companies turn away a huge proportion of their clientele because vaccinations are not available, required or recommended by governments and the WHO they will probably not survive.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, nomad098 said:

 

Please could you provide evidence?

 

Based on what we know now the vast majority of cruisers and international travellers will not have had the vaccine by April/May. How long can private companies afford to wait when the mortality rate drops to a fraction of that of influenza to wait for everyone else to be vaccinated?

 

It is estimated by the UK Government by April/May over 99% of covid-19 deaths will be avoided. If there is enough take up, by then covid-19 will be relegated to a disease less harmful than most we do not have vaccine certificates for in the UK.

 

Once high income nations have gotten covid-19 mortality under control there will be immense pressure from the UN, WHO, countries and other international groups to have vaccine stocks released to low income countries before the low risk groups in high income countries. 

 

Depending on the monitoring of adverse effects the UK government has said it may not roll out the vaccine to under 50's.

 

Depending on the studies done on phase 1 roll out, governments and the WHO may not recommend vaccination for large swathes of populations, it may not make financial or ethical sense to vaccinate those at the lowest risk, this is unknown at the moment

 

If private companies turn away a huge proportion of their clientele because vaccinations are not available, required or recommended by governments and the WHO they will probably not survive.

 

 

Boy, that’s a lot of analysis for a statement that was made in response to somebody who doesn’t plan on getting vaccinated.

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20 minutes ago, d9704011 said:

Boy, that’s a lot of analysis for a statement that was made in response to somebody who doesn’t plan on getting vaccinated.

 

As someone who is pro vaccination but has server reservations about the Pfizer vaccine it just astounds me that some of the pro vaccination people can be as rabid and misleading as the anti vaxxers. Until Governments, UN and WHO get behind a vaccine certification program anyone who says that vaccination certificates will be a definite requirement has not looked at the bigger picture.  

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1 hour ago, Gracie115 said:

 

I understand your feelings but just wonder why you think wearing a mask would impact you, or anyone who won't sail because of having to wear one.  From what I've read they would be required in public areas, but not when eating or drinking so I don't understand how it makes the cruise experience so much less.  I am asking sincerely, would really like to hear reasons for this so that I understand your concerns better. (and others also who have said the same)

I look at it this way. I have about 20 more years of cruising if I choose. I do where a mask when I go out. We really dont leave the house much now. It is not just about wearing a mask on the cruise ship. It is getting to the cruise ship. At this time I'm fine with cruising out of the west coast. Short flights and no transfers. Now if going out of Florida...airport, flight, transfers, hotel. If I did not have a Celebrity FCC. I would just wait until summer 2022 to cruise. 

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1 hour ago, nomad098 said:

 

Please could you provide evidence?

 

Based on what we know now the vast majority of cruisers and international travellers will not have had the vaccine by April/May. How long can private companies afford to wait when the mortality rate drops to a fraction of that of influenza to wait for everyone else to be vaccinated?

 

It is estimated by the UK Government by April/May over 99% of covid-19 deaths will be avoided. If there is enough take up, by then covid-19 will be relegated to a disease less harmful than most we do not have vaccine certificates for in the UK.

 

Once high income nations have gotten covid-19 mortality under control there will be immense pressure from the UN, WHO, countries and other international groups to have vaccine stocks released to low income countries before the low risk groups in high income countries. 

 

Depending on the monitoring of adverse effects the UK government has said it may not roll out the vaccine to under 50's.

 

Depending on the studies done on phase 1 roll out, governments and the WHO may not recommend vaccination for large swathes of populations, it may not make financial or ethical sense to vaccinate those at the lowest risk, this is unknown at the moment

 

If private companies turn away a huge proportion of their clientele because vaccinations are not available, required or recommended by governments and the WHO they will probably not survive.

 

 


I don’t think cruise companies will have a choice on when they restart. Whether they can wait or not. They will be the last travel, behind all other travel.  Cruises are not essential. April or May are optimistic dates. Probably not. If enough people get vaccinated that combined with immunity of those who were infected and the pandemic ends......then vaccination might not be required. Time will tell. That could be late 2021 before we can cruise again vaccination required or not required.

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1 hour ago, bigbenboys said:

I look at it this way. I have about 20 more years of cruising if I choose. I do where a mask when I go out. We really dont leave the house much now. It is not just about wearing a mask on the cruise ship. It is getting to the cruise ship. At this time I'm fine with cruising out of the west coast. Short flights and no transfers. Now if going out of Florida...airport, flight, transfers, hotel. If I did not have a Celebrity FCC. I would just wait until summer 2022 to cruise. 

 

Understood on all points.

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