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22 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:


The article I read this morning said the family is appealing to Trump. It also mentioned something I did not see in the other articles I read on her sentence. She had a tracker bracelet that she removed! I agree with you that jail is appropriate. 

Lock her up, she knew the rules, right or wrong, and she should pay the price.

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22 hours ago, Keys Kathy said:

Since this thread has been going on for so long, I was asking for focus and an update, perhaps I will get a current answer.

Perhaps you can focus and do some research like many of the others do on here, as it pertains to COVID.  

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1 hour ago, LGW59 said:

Perhaps you can focus and do some research like many of the others do on here, as it pertains to COVID.  

My focus is (was) here. Why would I redo all the research everyone has already done? 

I guess I will bow out here. I thought there would be late Dec info, and there were those that had insider info, not just bleeding off other sites. Sorry I upset you all! 

 

I will find out with everyone else outside of this.

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51 minutes ago, Keys Kathy said:

My focus is (was) here. Why would I redo all the research everyone has already done? 

I guess I will bow out here. I thought there would be late Dec info, and there were those that had insider info, not just bleeding off other sites. Sorry I upset you all! 

 

I will find out with everyone else outside of this.

 

Have you looked at the Healthy Sail Panel Report? It's here https://www.royalcaribbean.com/healthy-cruising-panel

 

That's from September, but I don't know that anyone "knows" anything more current. Testing, masks, ship only excursions, etc. Those are the highlights I remember. That's pretty much what was in place on Quantum of the Seas on its 'cruise to nowhere' out of Singapore that was cut short due to a false positive test (I'm not sure why the passenger was tested during the cruise; I don't see that in their protocol, so maybe they had symptoms?).

 

I really don't know that anyone knows anything more now. If they do, I haven't seen it. Wish I knew more, but my next cruise is 17 months out, and I expect things will change by then.

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Anything regarding the following is pure speculation:

 

#1 When limited cruising will resume

#2 When regular cruising will resume with cruises including TAS

#3 Will masks be required? Until what date?

#4 Will proof of COVID vaccination be required?  If yes, when will it no longer be required?

Done.

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11 hours ago, Charles4515 said:


The article I read this morning said the family is appealing to Trump. It also mentioned something I did not see in the other articles I read on her sentence. She had a tracker bracelet that she removed! I agree with you that jail is appropriate. 

Especially since she called the health department the day before the competition and stated that her tracker bracelet was too tight and got it loosened.

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9 hours ago, Arizona Wildcat said:

Anything regarding the following is pure speculation:

 

#1 When limited cruising will resume

#2 When regular cruising will resume with cruises including TAS

#3 Will masks be required? Until what date?

#4 Will proof of COVID vaccination be required?  If yes, when will it no longer be required?

Done.

Very accurate, up to date,  and succinct update.  Thanks!

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6 minutes ago, Fouremco said:

I'm happy to see that the Cayman Islands Court of Appeal today agreed with my assessment that the 4-month jail sentence was excessive and has halved Skylar Mack's sentence to 2 months.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/12/22/skylar-mack-cayman-islands-prison/

 

Now, back to vaccines...

When Fouremco speaks, the Cayman's listen!!  😂

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2 hours ago, medtech71 said:

No.  If you want to inject that poison into yourself, go ahead.  What do you care if I don’t?  You’re protected, right?

 

Well, I'll just wave to you while you stand on the dock as we sail away....  :classic_laugh:

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4 hours ago, medtech71 said:

No.  If you want to inject that poison into yourself, go ahead.  What do you care if I don’t?  You’re protected, right?

Because to put it simply, if you do not get vaccinated and get infected you pose a risk to those that 1. For a  medical reason cannot get the vaccine or 2. the 5% for whom the vaccine is not effective.

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8 hours ago, medtech71 said:

 

I am in my late 40’s healthy, professional....the exact demographic celebrity wants.  We could just leave everyone over 60 ashore since that’s the weakest link.

 

Over 60 may be the weakest link to die but aside from any immunocompromised individuals the young may be just as likely to catch Covid and that's the problem for the cruise industry and the ports of call.  The ports don't want the young introducing more of the virus into their countries and I cruise industry can't afford to have any infected young cruisers onboard that will interrupt their cruise.  So that's why the unvaccinated will need to be kept off the cruise ships for the foreseeable future.   I'll also wave to you as we leave the dock.  

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1 hour ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

Over 60 may be the weakest link to die 

It was reported on the news that those in their early sixties have a 1 in 2 million chance of dying from Covid. The exact same odds of dying from falling out of your bed!

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People keep posting that vaccination will be a requirement and posts like that they will be "waving from the ship to the unvaccinated on the dock"

 

Have you actually got any documentary proof that this will be the case?

Has any cruise line or government body specifically stated this will happen?

 

Or is this just a personal view and something you would want the cruise lines to do but is not actually a fact.

 

Governments have not issued a vaccine requirement to travel as far as I am aware

And only personal views from company employees on the matter have been expressed not actually company policy changed and issued.

 

I have no issues with the cruise lines introducing a vaccination policy but I am enough of a realist to understand the complicated practicalities involved in such a decision.

 

What I don't understand is people posting opinion as fact.

 

Both a vaccination to travel will be needed or a vaccination will not be needed to travel are both equally true at this moment in time, until a decision is made.

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1 hour ago, nomad098 said:

People keep posting that vaccination will be a requirement and posts like that they will be "waving from the ship to the unvaccinated on the dock"

 

Have you actually got any documentary proof that this will be the case?

Has any cruise line or government body specifically stated this will happen?

 

Or is this just a personal view and something you would want the cruise lines to do but is not actually a fact.

 

Governments have not issued a vaccine requirement to travel as far as I am aware

And only personal views from company employees on the matter have been expressed not actually company policy changed and issued.

 

I have no issues with the cruise lines introducing a vaccination policy but I am enough of a realist to understand the complicated practicalities involved in such a decision.

 

What I don't understand is people posting opinion as fact.

 

Both a vaccination to travel will be needed or a vaccination will not be needed to travel are both equally true at this moment in time, until a decision is made.

nomad098 is very correct at this point.  Many here are presuming that vaccination will be required to travel or board a cruise ship.  Although we tend to think so, there is absolutely nothing definitive right now except for a few companies like Quantas Airlines who said vaccination proof will be required to board their flights.

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9 minutes ago, TeeRick said:

nomad098 is very correct at this point.  Many here are presuming that vaccination will be required to travel or board a cruise ship.  Although we tend to think so, there is absolutely nothing definitive right now except for a few companies like Quantas Airlines who said vaccination proof will be required to board their flights.

 

Qantas boss Alan Joyce would like to introduce a vaccine requirement but as he said he would need to amend T&C's first. Quantas have not actually introduced a requirement and are facing a backlash from other travel industry bodies. Even the Australian Prime minister have had to roll back on statements he made on a vaccine requirement.

 

https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/travel/2020/11/24/qantas-covid-vaccine-backlash/

 

Personally I think companies are going to need government support to move forward with a vaccine requirement 

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4 hours ago, KnowTheScore said:

 

Utter claptrap

 

If you DO get vaccinated and get infected then you also pose a risk to those around you.

 

So in the end what matters is whether you ARE in fact infected (Covid-positive) and that is determined ONLY by testing NOT by your vaccination status.

 

Note also that ALL vaccines harm a small percentage of the world's population to some degree.

 

Those who can not get the vaccine are a small global minority.  It is neither practical, moral or ethical to go off vaccinating every individual on the planet just for the sake of protecting that tiny minority.  You end up harming a different minority at the expense of trying to protect the other minority and spend $billions in doing so.  The notion is utterly absurd.

 

Bottom line, if YOU feel you need to get vaccinated go and get vaccinated.  What everyone else does should be of no concern unless you don't actually believe in the vaccine's efficacy.

 

If you know a vaccine is only 60% effective but want it anyway then do so but don't expect the rest of the world to assess the risks the same way that you do.   There are other ways to protect one's health and many take those routes.  They include things like not drinking to excess, not smoking, not vaping, not eating junk food, not eating to the point of being obese and not taking drugs.  They include things like understanding the important of sunshine, understanding the importance of regular intake of good fresh vegetables and fruits, understanding how herbs and spices work and how they can be used to treat different ailments, understanding the different vitamins and how deficiencies of them cause problems and where to get the best source fo each of those vitamins.

 

And on top of all this, your statement also fails totally to take into account the many millions and millions of people who have now already had Covid and thereby gained natural levels of immunity including the important T-cell immunity, plus the 20%-50% of the population that already had levels of T-Cell immunity to Covid before Covid even appeared, gained from past bouts of colds, Flu and ILIs and other Coronaviruses.

 

This notion that people waving their little vaccination cards have some kind of unique nirvana invulnerability is a total nonsense.   Your vaccination will be just like a Flu vaccination.  There are already loads of Covid strains and the vaccines are going to have to be constantly tweaked to deal with them.   Even Tony BLiar just stated this on radio.    Covid is here to stay but that was frankly obvious from the get go last December.

 

The "pro-vaxxers" are going to be essentially vaccine junkies getting routinely shot up with vaccine after vaccine as each new virus or strains of existing viruses appear.   Flu vaccines, Pneumonia vaccines, Shingles vaccines, and now Covid vaccines.  

 

There is already mounting evidence that repeated Flu vaccination reduces the body's ability to fight off Flu in some cases.   I could cite source refs if needed but I sense hard fact is not palatable here.

 

I don't intend to be a vaccine junkie.   I don't believe being one would be good for my health.  I have researched the ingredients in many vaccines, their efficacy rates, the rates of adverse effects, my chances of actually getting any given virus/disease, my chances of dying from any given virus/disease and make my informed decisions accordingly.

 

 

 

 

We ask a very simple question to ourselves. Will more people die from Covid if no one gets vaccinated or if everyone that can get vaccinated does so. We both feel it’s a very simple decision.

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Not to mention the economic and mental health toll of all this! I feel it is my duty as a global citizen to get vaccinated, not for myself but for the good of others. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work but I'm going to do my part. It's not about being a vaccine junky or following blindly. I am VERY selective with vaccines. Of course each one of us would rather not take a vaccine, have everyone else get vaccinated, and we reap the benefits.

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The comments here have truly degenerated to utter nonsense from those opposed to vaccination and has little or nothing to do with cruising.  

 

Thus an update on vaccine availability in my city of 1M.  She is in the third group after #1- first responders/those over 80 or in some type of group facility and #2- essential workers.  It is expected my wife who has 2 health issues per the state guidelines has been told within 2 weeks of February 1st.  Group #4 for those over 65 that have no named health issues - probably late February or March.

Those dates are dependent on J&J or AZ vaccine availability in February.

 

I personally do not care if some choose against vaccination.  Hopefully they are willing to accept the consequences of their decision in possibly limiting all manner of locations they may be excluded such as travel, workplaces and places of business

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12 hours ago, Esprit said:

It was reported on the news that those in their early sixties have a 1 in 2 million chance of dying from Covid. The exact same odds of dying from falling out of your bed!

That number a bit misleading as well as inaccurate

 

That might be the number for the entire population - infected or not infected.  Of course that number will shift as the number of infected increases so depending upon when it was calculated (do you have a reference) it would only apply to that point in time and would change as the number of infected increases.

 

Now lets assume that it is correct there have been approximately 35,000 deaths involving COVID in the range from 55-65.    The population in the age range of 55-65 in the US is 42.44 million.  Now if what you reported is correct and the odds of dying from COVID is 1 in 2 million then there should only be 21 deaths instead of 35,000.  Which would be 80 per 100,000 or 800 per million.

 

Even if was the chance of dying of COVID today the number would be low.

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22 hours ago, nomad098 said:

People keep posting that vaccination will be a requirement and posts like that they will be "waving from the ship to the unvaccinated on the dock"

 

Have you actually got any documentary proof that this will be the case?

Has any cruise line or government body specifically stated this will happen?

 

Or is this just a personal view and something you would want the cruise lines to do but is not actually a fact.

 

Governments have not issued a vaccine requirement to travel as far as I am aware

And only personal views from company employees on the matter have been expressed not actually company policy changed and issued.

 

I have no issues with the cruise lines introducing a vaccination policy but I am enough of a realist to understand the complicated practicalities involved in such a decision.

 

What I don't understand is people posting opinion as fact.

 

Both a vaccination to travel will be needed or a vaccination will not be needed to travel are both equally true at this moment in time, until a decision is made.

There are already, and have been for many years, vaccine requirements for entry in to certain countries. 

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1 hour ago, morechances said:

There are already, and have been for many years, vaccine requirements for entry in to certain countries. 

 

These are government mandated vaccinations for certain diseases to enter certain countries.

 

What is being discussed is cruise companies making a covid vaccine a requirement for individual customers from all over the world to board their ships in various different countries.

 

There is no precedent for this in the travel industry, the travel industry does make recommendations for vaccinations other than the legally required vaccinations for travel to certain areas but these are not a legal requirement to book at least not in the UK and EU.

 

It is possible in the future we will see cruises in different markets around the world having different vaccination requirements for individual customers.

 

It may well be cruises out of the US require a vaccination but a compulsory covid vaccination for EU citizens to cruise in the med would bring the cruise lines into direct conflict with the fundamental principles and laws of the EU, though it may well be that US and UK citizens would require a covid vaccine to cruise the med.

 

The two biggest problem for the cruise lines I can see is legitimate and legally acceptable proof of covid vaccination for the different markets around the world that is recognised by many different governments and the second, getting enough people vaccinated around the world to make cruise holidays viable again.

 

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On 12/23/2020 at 3:48 PM, sydbarrett said:

Not to mention the economic and mental health toll of all this! I feel it is my duty as a global citizen to get vaccinated, not for myself but for the good of others. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work but I'm going to do my part. It's not about being a vaccine junky or following blindly. I am VERY selective with vaccines. Of course each one of us would rather not take a vaccine, have everyone else get vaccinated, and we reap the benefits.

 

On 12/24/2020 at 7:03 AM, nomad098 said:

 

These are government mandated vaccinations for certain diseases to enter certain countries.

 

What is being discussed is cruise companies making a covid vaccine a requirement for individual customers from all over the world to board their ships in various different countries.

 

There is no precedent for this in the travel industry, the travel industry does make recommendations for vaccinations other than the legally required vaccinations for travel to certain areas but these are not a legal requirement to book at least not in the UK and EU.

 

It is possible in the future we will see cruises in different markets around the world having different vaccination requirements for individual customers.

 

It may well be cruises out of the US require a vaccination but a compulsory covid vaccination for EU citizens to cruise in the med would bring the cruise lines into direct conflict with the fundamental principles and laws of the EU, though it may well be that US and UK citizens would require a covid vaccine to cruise the med.

 

The two biggest problem for the cruise lines I can see is legitimate and legally acceptable proof of covid vaccination for the different markets around the world that is recognised by many different governments and the second, getting enough people vaccinated around the world to make cruise holidays viable again.

 

The WHO card is used for proof of vaccination.  Almost EVERY country requires proof of vaccination for yellow fever and/or malaria to visit certain countries or for citizens of those countries to visit.  Yes the cards can be faked as can ANY document.

It is not hard to see governments requiring visitors to be vaccinated for COVID.  This would obviously apply to almost every cruise should Canada require vaccination.  No different that my visiting a country with yellow fever and trying to return to the US or Canada without proof of vaccination.

Thus the airlines or cruises do not need to require as governments are likely to do it for them. 

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