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On 12/1/2020 at 7:33 PM, Goodtime Cruizin said:

Tin foil will be the least of the concerns when it comes to shortages. 

 

I do have a question though.

What % of the "wear the mask or don't cruise" are also anti-vaxers?  

Here is my arm!!! Give me the shots!!!!!! I want to fly and cruise and not be concerned! My Mom is 94 and cannot quite get around the fact that I haven't visited her in 9 months. I have "underlying" conditions. I want to see Mom, but keep her safe.

 

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3 minutes ago, Keys Kathy said:

Here is my arm!!! Give me the shots!!!!!! I want to fly and cruise and not be concerned! My Mom is 94 and cannot quite get around the fact that I haven't visited her in 9 months. I have "underlying" conditions. I want to see Mom, but keep her safe.

 

AGREE!!  SO sorry to hear you have not been able to see your mom, while understandable precaution IMO, still very difficult.  I just saw my daughter and her fiancé tonight for the first time (my choice as I take all pro-cautions due to a medication I take) since late August, we had a chilly dinner on an outside patio with heat lamps.  It was worth it, as I learned that I am going to be a first time grandfather!!!

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12 hours ago, Ride-The-Waves said:

Vaccination against COVID-19 or its latest strain will be a requirement to cruise.  Those who don't have a vaccination, now called "zombies," will not be permitted on board.  Period!  And its possible that, like "common" flu, annual vaccination updates will be required.  Countries to they today and it was prevalent around the world post WWII - requiring proof of selected prophylaxis to enter.  

 

11 hours ago, KnowTheScore said:

 

The zombies are the unhealthy people riddled with illnesses that they cough and sneeze all over everyone else.   They all trot off for their annual flu vaccines yet still sit there coughing and spluttering all day long.  Perhaps we should be quarantining those people and putting them off the ship?

 

Folks, name calling doesn't help.  And, if you want to ignore someone, then do so.  Just stop talking about him/her and what they're posting.

 

We are hoping to be vaccinated by spring, so we can start traveling again late summer.

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1 hour ago, Lady Chew said:

 

 

Folks, name calling doesn't help.  And, if you want to ignore someone, then do so.  Just stop talking about him/her and what they're posting.

 

We are hoping to be vaccinated by spring, so we can start traveling again late summer.

I am hoping to be vaccinated so I can start living a NORMAL life again!  If cruising, travelling is part of that, woot, woot, but just some normal will be good.

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16 hours ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

It'll be no different thsn them mandating facemasks and/or covid testing. You do it or do you don't go. Or in this case, prove it or go home. 

 

11 hours ago, LGW59 said:

AGREE!!  SO sorry to hear you have not been able to see your mom, while understandable precaution IMO, still very difficult.  I just saw my daughter and her fiancé tonight for the first time (my choice as I take all pro-cautions due to a medication I take) since late August, we had a chilly dinner on an outside patio with heat lamps.  It was worth it, as I learned that I am going to be a first time grandfather!!!

Congratulations! When does the bundle of joy arrive?

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13 hours ago, nocl said:

But it is fun to take the links that some of the trolls post and point out how they really do not support the case they are trying to make. and that they are trying to use them totally out of context or for that matter author intent.

Yeah I understand your reasoning.  But they will not understand when you respond since they are usually anti-science or just really don't care.  So I have found it best to just use the Ignore button.  Others can of course do as they wish but unfortunately perfectly good threads with a lot of sound and useful information get disrupted constantly.  And they get out of control and get removed.  That is clearly the intent of the troll.

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55 minutes ago, KnowTheScore said:

 

Wow so it's perfectly ok for you to waltz on-board a ship coughing and spluttering with colds, ILI's or Flu and to gaily spread that about everywhere you go and if that just happens to kill a few older vulnerable people with weak immune systems, hey no problem, that's life right ?!!!

 

 

That's not what I said, nor is it what I meant.  No sense responding with logic so I won't.

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1 hour ago, KnowTheScore said:

 

Wow so it's perfectly ok for you to waltz on-board a ship coughing and spluttering with colds, ILI's or Flu and to gaily spread that about everywhere you go and if that just happens to kill a few older vulnerable people with weak immune systems, hey no problem, that's life right ?!!!

 

 

It sounds like you shouldn't cruise or even travel if everything concerns you. For years, the cruises I have been on have asked medical questions when I am checked in. Over the years they have adjusted for things like Ebola and other medical situations that crop up. Even before Covid they offered those who weren't feeling 100% a free visit with the ships Doctor.

 

 Upon boarding, X offers, and thankfully most people accept, hand sanitizer before you get on the ship. I believe that is why they have routinely have less incident of illness. They follow through on the ship with humans consistently offering hand sanitizer. Of course, I have always protected MYSELF by using sanitary wipes on door knobs, the phone, TV control etc. You still have to have personally responsible or are one of those that think someone else should take care of you? It's always someone else's fault????

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I had decided days ago that I would not get involved in this discussion but now feel the need.  

 

Some of you will search me because the number of posts, the history of those post and length of membership is your cue to discount what "newbies" and "rare posters say"  Let me save you the time.  I have been a member since 2001 and rarely post because I see no need to agree with 5 other opinions, post emojis or question marks for the sole purpose of increasing my post count. 

 

Please allow me one point, just because someone disagrees with your opinion does not make them a troll.  I have read and respected some of the post by people here, but calling someone who continues to come back to defend (whether you agree or not) their opinion a troll is the equivalent to sticking your tongue out on the playground and taking your ball and going home.  

 

I am no anti vaxxer.  I have received all my vaccines, my children received all of theirs.  I am 68 years old and pretty healthy (a cancer survivor - the key word there is survivor).  I have not taken a flu shot in 40 years for the simple reason that the last time I got seriously ill with the flu, was, hmmmm 40 years ago.  I don't have any issue with those who do, I just don't.  My SIL is a teacher and gets the flu shot every year and also gets the flu every year.

 

While I am excited and encouraged at the prospect of a Covid  vaccine, I will not be first in line to get it.  I have asked almost everyone I know and deal with and their answer is the same. This group of friends includes liberals and conservatives, democrats and republicans.

 

  I need a little more history before I have something that has not been thoroughly tested and tried injected into my body.  I need a little more long term studies and results.

 

My opinion does not make me an anti vaxxer, troll  or covidiot.  It is simply my opinion.

 

If it is required by cruise lines and I want to cruise, then I will get it.  In the mean time, I will wait a bit and see.  In the meantime, I will continue to distance, wash my hands and stay away from people who are sick.  Really the things I did long before Covid.  I wear  mask when required and rip it off the minute I am outside.  I would rather you stay 10 feet away from me with no mask than 1 foot close to me with one.

 

Wishing health and happiness to all

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A vaccination may well be required to cruise and travel but I think it will be difficult to implement until a long way into 2021 or even ever depending on what happens further down the line.

 

How long can cruise lines wait for enough people to be vaccinated to justify needing a certificate to board.

 

If by Easter only those at the highest risk are vaccinated will they exclude a huge part of their markets to wait for the rest. It would be ok for high end cruises who's market are targeted at the older cruiser but for the mainstream cruise lines it would be more difficult.

 

I can imagine a scenario where anyone over a certain age or with health conditions would be required a vaccine certificate to travel come Easter with those at low risk of covid being allowed to travel without a certificate and then close to the end of the year everyone required to have one.

 

The UK Government has hinted that there may not be a need to vaccinate the under 50's without underlying comorbidities

 

If covid-19 is similar to influenza where you can still carry and transmit the virus, a vaccine passport would be pointless as it would only prove your symptoms will not be as bad. If it is more like Yellow Fever then it would make sense even if it only gives you a limited time coverage.

 

 

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2 hours ago, KEG21552 said:

I need a little more history before I have something that has not been thoroughly tested and tried injected into my body.  I need a little more long term studies and results.

Just out if curiosity, just how long are you prepared to wait for these long term study results?

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I don't have a specific time table that I could say right now.  At the very least, I would want more information on adverse reactions and side effects that occur upon administration.  For all of the efficacy numbers that I have scene, there is a very small sampling size so far.

 

I certainly don't have the answer and don't claim to be any type of scientist or researcher, I am just stating my comfort level.

 

I know someone has to go first and respect those who make that choice.  

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An interesting article from a Canadian perspective on whether or not vaccinations should be mandatory. Federal and provincial health authorities are unanimous in encouraging everyone to get one once the vaccine is available, but none have any intention of having their respective governments make it mandatory. The article doesn't address the issue of private entities making vaccinations mandatory.

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/mandatory-covid-19-vaccine-canada_ca_5fc7eb7fc5b6933ec7dc09b1?08q&ncid=newsltcahpmgnews

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23 minutes ago, Fouremco said:

An interesting article from a Canadian perspective on whether or not vaccinations should be mandatory.

Not unexpected. However the federal government could still make it a requirement for visitors entering the country.

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45 minutes ago, KEG21552 said:

I don't have a specific time table that I could say right now.  At the very least, I would want more information on adverse reactions and side effects that occur upon administration

Interesting. Between just Pfizer and Moderna, and not counting all if the other vaccine trials that are being studied, well over 70,000 people have been trial subjects. Do you consider that a small sample size compared to other vaccine or drug trials?

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17 minutes ago, mom says said:

Interesting. Between just Pfizer and Moderna, and not counting all if the other vaccine trials that are being studied, well over 70,000 people have been trial subjects. Do you consider that a small sample size compared to other vaccine or drug trials?

 

It's a large sample size. But I'm not going to argue with anyone's comfort level. I'll probably get the vaccine as soon as there's a consensus that my particular health concern will be best served by early vaccination. But I'm at risk. Under the circumstances, I'm willing to accept the risk of long term safety risks, which take long term studies. But I'll respect anyone who wants to take their time.

 

The acute safety data that I've seen looks very good. I have no reason to believe there will be long term safety concerns. It will take time to vaccinate a significant percentage of the population, and those who don't want to be first just help spread that out. And I don't read anything in their comments as suggesting they plan on jumping on a cruise ship unvaccinated.

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40 minutes ago, mom says said:

Not unexpected. However the federal government could still make it a requirement for visitors entering the country.

I suppose they could, but I doubt that they would ever insist on visitors having the vaccination while allowing its own residents to go vaccine free. Part of the issue is that once you start, other countries might demand reciprocity. Personally, I'd have no problem with that, requiring anyone travelling internationally by land, sea or air to be vaccinated, but it's not a politically palatable solution.

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1 hour ago, Fouremco said:

I suppose they could, but I doubt that they would ever insist on visitors having the vaccination while allowing its own residents to go vaccine free. Part of the issue is that once you start, other countries might demand reciprocity. Personally, I'd have no problem with that, requiring anyone travelling internationally by land, sea or air to be vaccinated, but it's not a politically palatable solution.

I agree that the “vaccination visa” scenario may not be a politically palatable way to go about welcoming visitors but perhaps something like what the EU cooked up over the course of the summer.  Visitors only from countries with a new case load of such and such per capita over the preceding two weeks.  That may not identify individuals who have or have not been vaccinated but it does indicate they’re coming from a country that, at least on a macro scale, has had some demonstrable success at reducing the CV-19 case load.

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44 minutes ago, d9704011 said:

I agree that the “vaccination visa” scenario may not be a politically palatable way to go about welcoming visitors but perhaps something like what the EU cooked up over the course of the summer.  Visitors only from countries with a new case load of such and such per capita over the preceding two weeks.  That may not identify individuals who have or have not been vaccinated but it does indicate they’re coming from a country that, at least on a macro scale, has had some demonstrable success at reducing the CV-19 case load.

Yes, that's certainly another viable option. With vaccinations just around the corner in many countries, it will be interesting to see whether or not Ottawa will introduce new preventative entry measures.

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On 12/2/2020 at 8:48 AM, TeeRick said:

In the very unlikely event that some cruise lines let passengers board without a vaccine, the ports and country entry points and airlines and airports might in fact require vaccination proof.  We will be living in a very cautious world the next few years.  Let's not fight it- just get vaccinated for all of our sakes!

 

Agreed.  Hell, there are certain countries that will deny you entrance unless you're vaccinated for various diseases already.  I don't recall too many people crying about their rights being all trampled on.

 

They really need to adopt your saying:  Let's not fight it- just get vaccinated for all of our sakes!

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