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12 hours ago, tjcox9 said:

Curious about the dates, lengths of cruises and ships on which this offer was made. Just wondering if there is any correlation or similarities among the offers you all have received...........

Our 2021 24 day Med cruise received this offer in mid October. Zuiderdam, before the switch of ships.

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19 minutes ago, CruiserBruce said:

Our 2021 24 day Med cruise received this offer in mid October. Zuiderdam, before the switch of ships.

We too have received the offer now on 4 of 5 cruises (all on different ships) we have  been booked on since Covid appeared. The first offer came April and May of this year for 2 cruises that have since been cancelled. We bit on the one for our Oct 2021 Rotterdam TA back a couple of months ago. We just got the offer for our Feb 2022 Eurodam cruise.

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14 hours ago, foodsvcmgr said:

If it was a travel agency making an offer like this it would be seen as on obvious and dangerous red flag being waved. Highly suspect to say the least.

I don’t think Carnival Corp. will go out of business especially in view of vaccines coming out, but I find a ploy this blatant to be distasteful.

 

Is it distasteful for HAL to have been offering, in Grand Voyages, a discount for many years if one pays in full several months before sailing?  This is nothing new, although the present situation certainly 

raises an issue of vulnerability should one take the offer.    

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@Tampa Girl, I don't find it distasteful if HAL gives you a discount if you pay in full ahead of time using a credit card, but I wouldn't use a debit card or e-check, especially in today's economic climate.

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20 hours ago, ScottC4746 said:

So I got off the phone with HAL asking about the details.  In my case if I paid off I would only save $440.  It is based on the cruise fare only and not the taxes and fees.  My $100 OBC would go to $250 OBC.

Now the big question is refunds if I need to cancel or if we end up with another summer like this year.  Bard at HAL said even if I pay it off in full now, it would be 100% refundable up to the date that cancelation fees start applying even if I don't have cruise insurance purchased.  He did say to wait and buy cruise insurance the day before cancelation fees apply and that way if we have to cancel or it gets canceled, 100% less the insurance is refundable back to the same method you paid.

So what your saying is,the OBC would go to 250.00 NOT on top of any OBC(In our case 100.00) we might have? I also got this email by the way!

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24 minutes ago, Harrylinden said:

So what your saying is,the OBC would go to 250.00 NOT on top of any OBC(In our case 100.00) we might have? I also got this email by the way!

I just paid the $750 instalment.  It is $125 OBC more for the first 2 guests on top of my existing OBC.  

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5 hours ago, BobbiSox said:

I have no experience with big finance, but it would seem common sense that after having a hit like the cruise lines have had, it would be risky to do business with them right now. What company profits from lack of revenue? I will wait until everything pans out before I consider booking with any line. 

 

We recently booked an excellent itinerary for Apr 2022, paid for exclusively with FCC. The deposit was waived as a perk from prior cancellations, so no money out of pocket at all.

 

A win-win for us with absolutely zero financial risk on our part. At 16 mos out, we're pretty sure everything will be sorted out by then.

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2 hours ago, sfaaa said:

If I understand correctly, the pay-in-full-now 10% discount and $250 obc are not combinable with other HA promos. Is this right?

The installment option ($250 obc) is combinable with buy 1 gift 1 offer + view and verandah + future cruise deposit.  I just booked.  You may use FCC for the installment option as well.  So I believe the pay in full option is combinable with other offers as well.  However, you cannot use FCC with the pay in full option.

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I wouldn't believe a word HAL says anymore.  HAL sent me a email cancelling my cruise November 20, so I made other travel plans.  On December 11, they sent another email saying the cruise was "uncancelled"-that it was never cancelled-and that I was still booked.  They are offering no compensation, and my cancellation is on me.  They are doing this to avoid giving out FCC.  I wrote them and got a letter confirming this.  It is disgusting behavior on their part-and blatant lies.  to make it worse, they fixed one ship the same day-you can't fix a mistake a month later, and say the cruise  was never cancelled.  Why wouldn't I believe them-they have already cancelled 3 others, and you need buy European airfare early.  

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We are not putting a dime down, or booking anything at the moment.  No intention of booking a cruise until we know if it will sail, what the on board environment will be, and what the actual port stops will be.   Same goes for air.....in spades.

 

Shopping yes.  Buying no.  And post covid, if the fares increase substantially beyond what we feel is reasonable value we will go with alternate travel options. 

 

The threat of cruise line prices increasing or a modest discount is meaningless to us and does not in any way convince us to buy in this unstable market.

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52 minutes ago, wahwah1 said:

The installment option ($250 obc) is combinable with buy 1 gift 1 offer + view and verandah + future cruise deposit.  I just booked.  You may use FCC for the installment option as well.  So I believe the pay in full option is combinable with other offers as well.  However, you cannot use FCC with the pay in full option.

You are correct... 

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Do not know.  Their FY20 annual report should be released mid-late January.   First thing I would look at is the cash flow statement.  Change during the year and final cash position should make interesting reading.

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8 minutes ago, iancal said:

Do not know.  Their FY20 annual report should be released mid-late January.   First thing I would look at is the cash flow statement.  Change during the year and final cash position should make interesting reading.

 

Did they not have their Conference Call with the financial analysts that cover the cruise industry?  By this date, I would think it would have occurred.  

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Do not know.  Perhaps it will take a little longer.   They may be taking extra time to put  lipstick on that pig and to paint the most positive f’cast they can conjure up.  It won’t be pretty.

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I did not get the email, but I do not have any fees due to HAL.  I booked a cruise for Dec 2021 and paid in full (me and the Casino folks).  HAL still owes me a refund for the Feb 2021 cruise that they cancelled.  Maybe they only send the email to folks who still owe on booked cruises.  I really hope that cruising survives the current crisis.  More importantly, I hope that the dying ends and the vaccines work!  Stay safe!

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On 12/18/2020 at 11:34 AM, iancal said:

We will soon  know what their financial picture looks like.  FY2020 (ending 11/30) annual report  should be released next month.

So true . We will see how much free cash flow & other financial details in the CCL end of year financial reporting   . Although the share price has been going up ,I personally believe it is happening in light of the promises for all the vaccines in 2021 . We surely hope that by summer of  2021 that a 75 to 80% of eligible americans had their vaccine shots to attain her immunity here in the states

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On 12/18/2020 at 5:53 PM, Roz said:

 

River cruise companies do this on a regular basis, most notably Viking.  This was going on pre-Covid.  They also won't take a credit card.  It has to be an e-check.  I think I'll take a pass.

Yes the river cruise companies normally require  deposits & those are never refundable until this covid virus came along  .First right now we as americans can't fly into Europe   .Then in order to drum up business we feel that they wil need to initially be more flexible in their requirements of booking for at leasr the beginning   & resuming river cruises 

 

 We also  believe  that there is a tremendous  surge of travel business setting on the side lines awaiting the times when the virus is not a threat

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3 hours ago, mcrcruiser said:

We also  believe  that there is a tremendous  surge of travel business setting on the side lines awaiting the times when the virus is not a threat

 

I agree with you 100%.  I think 2022 is going to be huge for the travel and tourism industry.  Some companies may go out of business in the meantime, and there will probably be some mergers and consolidations, but there is still going to be a demand.

 

I have a river cruise thru Holland and Belgium booked for December of next year.  I think it has a good chance of being a go.

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16 minutes ago, Roz said:

 

I have a river cruise thru Holland and Belgium booked for December of next year.  I think it has a good chance of being a go.

We once had a river cruise booked for those same two countries over the Christmas New Years break. It was chartered out from under us after we made final payment.

 

I truly hope yours is a go. We were really looking forward to that cruise, and have never since then found a river cruise that fit into our schedule.

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8 hours ago, mcrcruiser said:

So true . We will see how much free cash flow & other financial details in the CCL end of year financial reporting   . Although the share price has been going up ,I personally believe it is happening in light of the promises for all the vaccines in 2021 . We surely hope that by summer of  2021 that a 75 to 80% of eligible americans had their vaccine shots to attain her immunity here in the states

I believe that there will be a surge in travel but the real question is when will cruising start up again.  And when it does, what amount of revenue will be generated if capacity is limited?   Lots and lots of unknowns.  Startup for the cruise lines is still an unknown.

 

What is interesting to us is that we see some cruise prices increasing but not so much air.  I have been shopping three different international routes for a number of months.  Sept/Oct timeframe.  The prices on all three have been constant and very comparable to what we paid for the same period in 2019.  Same with one way flights to Mexico in November.  Across a number of airlines.

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