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I remember in November when the conditional sail order was released, the concept of test cruises was introduced. It stated that in order to apply for a test cruise, the operator must request permission from the CDC 30 days prior to the test cruise in order to operate. 
 

It also stated that there were to be three test cruises, with CDC review time in between each cruise. 
 

Lastly, it stated that after the test cruises were successfully completed, that the operator would then have to apply, 60 days in advance, for a revenue sailing certificate. This process would repeat for each ship sailing from a US port. 
 

If you add up the days, it looks like there is 90 days of wait time + the 3/4 weeks for the test cruises. So in total about 120 days. 
 

Has there been any update to this?  In doing the math, 120 days is roughly 4 months. We are already January 16th with no test cruises scheduled. Beginning to be concerned that summer 2021 isn’t realistic if things don’t start to happen soon. 
 

 

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11 minutes ago, Kokomo91165 said:

the operator must request permission from the CDC 30 days prior to the test cruise in order to operate

I believe that 30 days (28 actually) was the rolling period of crew health reports that needed to be submitted and approved for tracking symptoms and cases on board.

 

This site lists the cruise ship status for that period - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/crew-disembarkations-commercial-travel.html

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There was no requirement for more than one test cruise. The CDC order referred to "a test cruise or series of cruises"

Also the 60 day waiting period did not specify a successful test cruise was required before submitting  the paperwork that gave you your conditional sailing approval. Just that the test cruise had to satisfactorily been completed prior to getting the approval.

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If the CDC wanted test cruises to happen they would already be under way. It was just a way to extend the No Sail Order until after the election. Look for a new "No Sail Order" shortly. Probably at least 3 months but maybe longer.

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1 minute ago, HaveWeMetYet said:

If the CDC wanted test cruises to happen they would already be under way. It was just a way to extend the No Sail Order until after the election. Look for a new "No Sail Order" shortly. Probably at least 3 months but maybe longer.

 

This wouldn't surprise me one bit. I could see the cruise lines taking legal action at that point.

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3 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

The article is about 3 1/2 months ago. If they thought they had any leg to stand on they would have filed it then. The way the virus is spreading now, if the CDC had any guts, they’d issue a no sail order now.

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Just now, grandgeezer said:

The article is about 3 1/2 months ago. If they thought they had any leg to stand on they would have filed it then. The way the virus is spreading now, if the CDC had any guts, they’d issue a no sail order now.

I posted it because it give a legal basis for a lawsuit.

Resorts can be open. Hotels open. Restaurants open.  Trains and planes in service. But cruise lines are banned. There's legal basis for a lawsuit

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1 hour ago, Heymarco said:

Summer 2021 is all but gone for most US sailings. With a chance of luck one or two ships may sail.

Well I'm probably more optimistic than most, but tell us oh clairvoyant one, why such pessimism???   While you're looking into that crystal ball how bout listing a stock or 2 that will rise meteorically??  Will there be a Triple Crown winner??   Who's winning the World Series???   OK, I'll stop.

 

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4 hours ago, Kokomo91165 said:

I remember in November when the conditional sail order was released, the concept of test cruises was introduced. It stated that in order to apply for a test cruise, the operator must request permission from the CDC 30 days prior to the test cruise in order to operate. 
 

It also stated that there were to be three test cruises, with CDC review time in between each cruise. 
 

Lastly, it stated that after the test cruises were successfully completed, that the operator would then have to apply, 60 days in advance, for a revenue sailing certificate. This process would repeat for each ship sailing from a US port. 
 

If you add up the days, it looks like there is 90 days of wait time + the 3/4 weeks for the test cruises. So in total about 120 days. 
 

Has there been any update to this?  In doing the math, 120 days is roughly 4 months. We are already January 16th with no test cruises scheduled. Beginning to be concerned that summer 2021 isn’t realistic if things don’t start to happen soon. 
 

 

All this is meaningless.   The cruise lines and CDC have no idea what will happen or when.

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32 minutes ago, ULCajunCruiser said:

Well I'm probably more optimistic than most, but tell us oh clairvoyant one, why such pessimism???   While you're looking into that crystal ball how bout listing a stock or 2 that will rise meteorically??  Will there be a Triple Crown winner??   Who's winning the World Series???   OK, I'll stop.

 

I want to be wrong more than anyone. You don’t need a crystal ball for this one, CEO already all but said this on last interview. Royal can’t restart in US until vaccine rollout is further along. That plus timeline it will take to restart multiple ships won’t be before end of summer at the earliest.

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46 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

I posted it because it give a legal basis for a lawsuit.

Resorts can be open. Hotels open. Restaurants open.  Trains and planes in service. But cruise lines are banned. There's legal basis for a lawsuit

Why aren’t they sailing? There is no ban on cruising now. They are considered super spreaders and all they have to do is show what they will do to mitigate that. According to all announcements, they say they are volunteering to cancel the cruises. You didn’t answer the point on why they haven’t filed suit already. It’s a bluff, they are smart enough to know it would get tossed out.

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Yes, there is a ban on cruising.  The CDC requires a conditional sailing certificate to get past the ban.  You have to fulfill all the things in the CDC's return to sailing order to prove you're equipped and trained to follow all the CDC's new rules.   And Carnival outright said the CDC is holding them back from even doing test cruises required to satisfy the . And if it's true for them, it's true for everyone.

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The requirements to return to cruising are onerous.  There is a huge list of new requirements for the ship operations and for the port operations.  For example, they must be prepared to transport and quarantine all the passengers using privately arranged buses, hotels or apartments, and have arranged for medical transport and hospitals must be ready to receive the sickest patients.

 

Ships have proven to be concerns for outbreaks.  Already a major issue for other contagious diseases, but this one spreads like wildfire.  We have not see repeated outbreaks linked to plane flights, or hotels. Their safety measures have been adequate. The few cruise restarts we've seen in the western hemisphere immediately resulted in bad new. So the CDC treats Cruising with more restrictions.   And finally, cruising is a leisure industry, while airlines and hotels are vital to the economy.  That should help make it clear why Cruising is treated differently.

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12 hours ago, smokeybandit said:

I posted it because it give a legal basis for a lawsuit.

Resorts can be open. Hotels open. Restaurants open.  Trains and planes in service. But cruise lines are banned. There's legal basis for a lawsuit

It's my opinion that the reason we're not sailing right now has almost nothing to do with Covid & everything to do with the coming chaos on inauguration day & keeping our borders safe.  The next couple months are gonna be a bit crazy Things should calm down by June. I have a Greek Isles cruise in June at until a few days ago I really thought we'd get to go. Now I'm not sure

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On 1/16/2021 at 8:29 PM, smokeybandit said:

I posted it because it give a legal basis for a lawsuit.

Resorts can be open. Hotels open. Restaurants open.  Trains and planes in service. But cruise lines are banned. There's legal basis for a lawsuit

Apples and oranges.  Sure hotels are open, but they're limited in what they can provide.  No continental breakfasts, no congregating in areas.  Restaurants are open, but with spread out tables, and they aren't serving meals on planes.   

 

A cruise ship is all of three of them AND you're limited on space for DAYS.  Even if they test before you get on a cruise, you can be negative on Day 1, but be positive on Day 3 (depending on when you were infected).  

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23 hours ago, Jax129 said:

It's my opinion that the reason we're not sailing right now has almost nothing to do with Covid & everything to do with the coming chaos on inauguration day & keeping our borders safe. 

Sorry but that is a bizarre and wacky theory.  Thanks for the laugh. 🙂

 

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2 hours ago, livingonthebeach said:

Does someone know what’s going on?

No US cruises through April.  IF anything sails in May it will be 1-2 ships on each line trying things out.  That's pretty much what anyone knows.

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16 minutes ago, bouhunter said:

No US cruises through April.  IF anything sails in May it will be 1-2 ships on each line trying things out.  That's pretty much what anyone knows.

 

Ok - knew that already but thanks for the reminder! 

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On 1/16/2021 at 8:40 PM, ULCajunCruiser said:

Well I'm probably more optimistic than most, but tell us oh clairvoyant one, why such pessimism???   While you're looking into that crystal ball how bout listing a stock or 2 that will rise meteorically??  Will there be a Triple Crown winner??   Who's winning the World Series???   OK, I'll stop.

 

You don’t need to be clairvoyant to know cruises won’t sail soon— people are totally ignoring covid restrictions and numbers are through the roof. Vaccine rollout has been horrific so far. Deaths and cases are skyrocketing. Don’t need a crystal ball. 

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6 minutes ago, denatravels said:

You don’t need to be clairvoyant to know cruises won’t sail soon— people are totally ignoring covid restrictions and numbers are through the roof. Vaccine rollout has been horrific so far. Deaths and cases are skyrocketing. Don’t need a crystal ball. 

They didn't say "won't sail soon", they said "summer pf 2021 is all but gone".   Big difference.   It depends on where you live on how Covid restrictions are impacting you.   Horrific is over dramatic, again that's generally a state issue.  If you keep overturning rocks, the snake will bite you, just walk on by and you'll get where you going!!!

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