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Covid protocols announced for CCL - count on the same for HAL?


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20 hours ago, dmcfad2 said:

I'm glad they aren't requiring vaccinations. But, having to take their excursions bums me out.

 

My wife and I have been vaccinated against COVID with the Novavax vaccine in a Phase 3 trial.  It was nothing to fear, just some side-effect discomfort for one day after the second injection.   I do understand that other vaccines can have stronger side effects, but that it is still 100x better than an older person being sick with COVID.

 

We are so happy that we signed up for the COVID vaccine trial. 

 

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I usually sail solo, and a lot of time that's in an inside cabin.  Having to take meals by myself via room service in an inside cabin is not appealing in the least.  I'd almost rather stay home.

 

Elevators are a huge issue.  I'm fit enough to walk up the stairs from a bottom deck to the Lido, but a lot of people not classified as disabled aren't able to do that.   

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5 hours ago, KirkNC said:

For dining I see a reservation only system even for Lido.  It will be mandated by the ship.  I envision something like: 

Days 1&4 - eat in cabin via room service 

Day 2-5 - eat in MDR @ X time

Day 3 - eat in specialty restaurant @ X time 

Day 6 & 7 - eat in Lido @ X time.

 

For entertainment I think you will be assigned a couple of days per week with a specific time to go to shows.  Same with speakers assuming they even have them.  
 

I assume the casino will be closed and there will be no social activities like bridge or trivia.  
 

Embarkation will be assigned time as will disembarkation (stay in your cabin until your time).

 

Elevators will be off limits except for those with mobility issues.  In their case only people from your cabin will be allowed in with you.
 

Obviously these will easy over time, how much time we don’t know.

If the casino is closed HAL will probably cancel my cruise in early November, I am on a free neptune suite offer with a substantial amount of free play. No chance of them getting their money back. 

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On Ships that have been sailing in Europe there are only four allowed in the Elevator at same time and the floor markings are there for everyone to stand in a Corner.  There is a Crew Member controlling the capacity.   In Theaters (in my State and other States open) they space the seating between those who are not together and skip a Row as well and that was also reported being done on the Cruises sailing in Europe.  Only those travelling together will be seated together in the Dining Room and if the Ship is not sailing at Full Capacity (which I believe they will not be) they will distance the Tables being seated.   If the Ships are not at Full Capacity, all of this can work.

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My husband has played golf in Mexico, New Zealand, Alaska, Ireland, Scotland, England and Hawaii while we were on a cruise.  These were non-cruise line excursions that I was able to arrange for him while on the ship via email, phone or the course web site.  Since they rarely offer golf excursions, he says cruising will be over for him if the cruise line will not let you do private excursions.

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This is one time where HAL's demographic may give them an edge. I firmly believe that by the end of June all adults in the US that want to be vaccinated will have. That should be in the area of 175 million to 200 million. I am sure Canada will be right there with us by then. With HAL's demographic skewing toward an older clientele and not many children they may be able to operate sooner. And with the vast majority being vaccinated they could probably pull off a vaccination to travel requirement. The variants will be the issue. By late summer I believe the big guns will have boosters available. With boosters only being a single shot the logistics should be much easier. 
Let's hope for once I am correct and we will be cruising by late summer early fall. 

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20 minutes ago, Laminator said:

This is one time where HAL's demographic may give them an edge. I firmly believe that by the end of June all adults in the US that want to be vaccinated will have. That should be in the area of 175 million to 200 million. I am sure Canada will be right there with us by then. With HAL's demographic skewing toward an older clientele and not many children they may be able to operate sooner. And with the vast majority being vaccinated they could probably pull off a vaccination to travel requirement. The variants will be the issue. By late summer I believe the big guns will have boosters available. With boosters only being a single shot the logistics should be much easier. 
Let's hope for once I am correct and we will be cruising by late summer early fall. 

Got to have ports that will accept cruise ships. The demographic doesn't help much there.

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11 hours ago, cruisemom42 said:

 

Wow, that is terrible. 

 

I would have thought that even (or maybe especially) in businesses that are essential, anyone with exposure to COVID would be advised to self-quarantine. That's the case with our essential workers in my industry (e.g., production line workers for a medical/pharma company).

Tell me about it. I was shocked. I think he would have quit to be honest but then he got Covid and they had to give him the time off. He is a student at a trade school (which has done a great job of watching out for their students) so this is a part time job for him. But they have full time people there and this is a multinational huge corporation! We just don't know the struggle of everyday working folks at the bottom of the wage pool in this mess. 

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I probably won't want to cruise until I'm vaccinated along with everybody else on the ship.  I'll plop a mask on my face and toddle around wearing it because I'm used to it now.  Gonna have to draw the line at ship's tours though.  Nope Nope Nope.  Probably going to wait that one out.

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21 minutes ago, fatcat04 said:

We just don't know the struggle of everyday working folks at the bottom of the wage pool in this mess. 

 

Completely agree. And even knowing the facts is not the same as trying to put yourself in that situation.

 

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On 2/5/2021 at 2:31 PM, aa7yy said:

My point is the cruise lines seem to be responding. Wouldn't hurt to be pro active and try and get out front more like the airlines. Show the Canadians we are part of the solution. If they knew that everyone heading up to Vancouver had been vaccinated they might be a little more willing to take our money.

No need to show Canada anything. They'll do whatever they want regardless of what happens in the US. Let's focus on our own country (USA) first. Before cruise lines can start sailing to North and South America, trans-Atlantic and trans-Pacific, ships need to be able to sail from our ports, period.  

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I hear that "The announcement drew scrutiny -- mainly online -- from people outraged that a cruise line should be allowed to tell its passengers what to do." re vaccinations.  

Well, I don't think that is really the case since cruise lines and airplanes are not a "right" and always are in charge of what and when we do it.  Getting a vaccination is just par for the course.  Get it and cruise or don't get it.  

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I work in people's homes (with a mask on). I've had Covid (caught it from a customer). I've been vaccinated (I'm 65). I'm ready to cruise as soon as possible and I will be happy to abide (and live) by the rules. If vaccinations are the light at the end of the tunnel I would urge everybody that can safely receive one to get it done as soon you can. Yes, there were side effects, but sometimes you have to take one for the team.

Many years ago while I was serving as a missionary I knocked on a door with a heavy screen. From inside I heard "How can I help you?" I explained that we were going door to door and sharing the gospel. The voice from inside boomed out "I'm not sure you want to come in as I'm a nudist" I called back that we were very inclusive. His reply was "Take off your clothes and come on in"  The moral of the story is; Your house, Your rules. Our only option was to abide by the rules or go to another door.

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2 hours ago, jakers said:

I work in people's homes (with a mask on). I've had Covid (caught it from a customer). I've been vaccinated (I'm 65). I'm ready to cruise as soon as possible and I will be happy to abide (and live) by the rules. If vaccinations are the light at the end of the tunnel I would urge everybody that can safely receive one to get it done as soon you can. Yes, there were side effects, but sometimes you have to take one for the team.

Many years ago while I was serving as a missionary I knocked on a door with a heavy screen. From inside I heard "How can I help you?" I explained that we were going door to door and sharing the gospel. The voice from inside boomed out "I'm not sure you want to come in as I'm a nudist" I called back that we were very inclusive. His reply was "Take off your clothes and come on in"  The moral of the story is; Your house, Your rules. Our only option was to abide by the rules or go to another door.

And the rest of the story? Did you share the gospel with the nudist or go to the next door? Inquiring minds want to know!

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On 2/6/2021 at 7:06 PM, Laminator said:

I firmly believe that by the end of June all adults in the US that want to be vaccinated will have.

In Wisconsin, it doesn't look like I will even be eligible to get a vaccine until early summer.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/01/08/wisconsin-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-plan-who-get-and-when/6595772002/

I think the end of summer is probably more realistic for everyone who wants to be vaccinated to get their shots.

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23 hours ago, drrtc1 said:

I hear that "The announcement drew scrutiny -- mainly online -- from people outraged that a cruise line should be allowed to tell its passengers what to do." re vaccinations.  

Well, I don't think that is really the case since cruise lines and airplanes are not a "right" and always are in charge of what and when we do it.  Getting a vaccination is just par for the course.  Get it and cruise or don't get it.  

After all not vaccinated is not a protected class when it comes to discrimination law.

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3 hours ago, nocl said:

After all not vaccinated is not a protected class when it comes to discrimination law.

I wonder if those who cannot be vaccinated for a valid medical reason could be part of a protected class under the Americans With Disability Act.

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1 hour ago, ontheweb said:

I wonder if those who cannot be vaccinated for a valid medical reason could be part of a protected class under the Americans With Disability 

The National Labor Relations Board ruled that employers could require vaccinations (since it is the responsibility of an employer to provide a safe work place) and that those that could not be vaccinated for medical or religious reasons should be accommodated if possible. Note the if possible, instead of must be. 

 

disability is a protected class for some things, employment and housing for example. But you can see in the NLRB ruling that it does not over ride safety.

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33 minutes ago, nocl said:

The National Labor Relations Board ruled that employers could require vaccinations (since it is the responsibility of an employer to provide a safe work place) and that those that could not be vaccinated for medical or religious reasons should be accommodated if possible. Note the if possible, instead of must be. 

 

disability is a protected class for some things, employment and housing for example. But you can see in the NLRB ruling that it does not over ride safety.

Correction the ruling was from EEOC not NLRB. It has been referenced by NLRB, but it did not originate there.

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