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7 minutes ago, njkruzer said:

I'm not sure how to answer.   This is a vaccine. Got both my shots.  Please stay safe and healthy 

I know how: The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has authorized three COVID-19 vaccines for emergency use. The vaccines are: Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine.Mar 24, 2021

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21 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

It elicits an antibody response, that is a textbook definition of a vaccine. 

sorry i wanted to reply to someone else

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1 hour ago, Sky616 said:

This has not been authorized by the FDA.  Just a rushed experiment.   Can't even say it's a vaccine.

Oh but yes it has, maybe you don't check out the news much:

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has authorized three COVID-19 vaccines for emergency use. The vaccines are: Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine.Mar 24, 2021 from their site

 

You're a month late.

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5 minutes ago, BecciBoo said:

I know how: The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has authorized three COVID-19 vaccines for emergency use. The vaccines are: Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine.Mar 24, 2021

Agree. 

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2 hours ago, BecciBoo said:

Absolutely!  I can attest to that!  My brother is a pathologist at the University of Texas.  He has had his and our whole family has except the brother who died from Covid in Florida before he could get the vaccine.  It is definitely a viable vaccine, more and more short term studies confirm the most positive efficacy.  Someone has been reading or watching the looneys!  Like the front line  Physicians group which are mostly Osteopaths.  Everyone is entitled to their personal decision to get it or not.  But it shouldn't  have urban myths attached to it.  The REAL science proves otherwise.


My condolences to you and your family for the loss of your brother. 

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14 hours ago, A&L_Ont said:


My condolences to you and your family for the loss of your brother. 

Thank you so much!  After the shock of that, we all decided to get the vaccine.  He was in the comorbidity group so it should've been expected but when you get that call, it's still devastating.  It took exactly 12 hours from the time he called saying he had difficulty breathing until he died of Pulmonary Embolism, a direct result of Covid.  He was in hospital by 11:00pm and died at 1:47AM the next morning.  THey only treated him for 3 hrs...so it can be very quick.  My advice, take the vaccine, it's much less risky than getting the disease!  And read up on Covid Myths online.  Most of what I'm hearing people say is just that...myth.  Like the poster who said FDA has not yet approved it. That is nonsense from their own site they approved the major 3 vaccines!  People need to quit putting misinformation out there.

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18 hours ago, BecciBoo said:

Oh but yes it has, maybe you don't check out the news much:

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has authorized three COVID-19 vaccines for emergency use. The vaccines are: Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine.Mar 24, 2021 from their site

 

You're a month late.

Emergency use only.

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The emergency being a pandemic that has literally killed millions. All three of these vaccines have gone through three phases of safety and efficacy testing, with ongoing monitoring. They are wildly effective and safe. The EUA status reflects that we did not have the time to wait the customary multiple years for formal approval. I'd love to discuss this further, but I really want to know where you got your degree in public health — as a professional journalist who has been writing about the impact of COVID-19 in Pennsylvania, I've been dealing in facts for 14 months on this issue, covering every development and reading up on the science so I can better explain it to my readers.

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22 minutes ago, Sky616 said:

Emergency use only.

This IS the emergency🤣  Maybe you missed the word "Authorized".

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40 minutes ago, Sky616 said:

Emergency use only.

 

Duh. There is an emergency. Stay safe. If you don't get vaccinated or have not had Covid you are a big fat target for the latest variant. The virus is surging in younger demographics because a high percentage of over 65 has been vaccinated. As the percentage of the population vaccanated or with Covid immunity rises those left without antibodies are going to be the big fat target of the virus. The virus needs to  feed.

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2 hours ago, Charles4515 said:

 

Duh. There is an emergency. Stay safe. If you don't get vaccinated or have not had Covid you are a big fat target for the latest variant. The virus is surging in younger demographics because a high percentage of over 65 has been vaccinated. As the percentage of the population vaccanated or with Covid immunity rises those left without antibodies are going to be the big fat target of the virus. The virus needs to  feed.

I'll take my chances with a virus with a 99.6% survival rate versus a experimental "vaccine" rushed to market.  I'll wait and let all  the guinea pigs get it.

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29 minutes ago, Sky616 said:

I'll take my chances with a virus with a 99.6% survival rate versus a experimental "vaccine" rushed to market.  I'll wait and let all  the guinea pigs get it.


Just surviving isn't the only concern. There is associated risk of mental health issues for covid survivors.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brain-idUSKBN2BT2ZI

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On 4/7/2021 at 2:34 PM, Sky616 said:

This has not been authorized by the FDA.  Just a rushed experiment.   Can't even say it's a vaccine.

mRNA vaccines have emergency authorization from the FDA so you are incorrect when you say "this has not been authorized by the FDA". Approval by the FDA is forthcoming.

 

mRNA technology has been in development for at least 10 years. Your statement of "just a rushed experiment" is not true unless you feel ten years is "rushed". Actually experiments began in the 1990's. Here, read about it........

The story of mRNA

 

mRNA technology most certainly is a vaccine. This is the definition of a vaccine (take a look at definition B)..........

Definition of vaccine

 

 

 

 

 

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Those vaccines have official (not expedited or emergency) approvals in some countries. Our country (Switzerland) is one of the most advanced countries regarding science (including health care) and two vaccines are offficially approved: Pfizer and Moderna. The process for approval is very strict and thorough. For instance, AstraZeneca has not been approved yet.

 

It looks weird to me that some here are denying the vaccines only because that they haven’t been officially approved in the US FDA yet. While I understand that people are skeptical, we should look at the science. There is a lot of data around, especially from Israel (Pfizer) and the results are better than anyone expected 6 months ago.

 

Take care!

 

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3 minutes ago, Missusdubbya said:

Risky when you can easily avoid - lots of research into long term effects on lungs etc.

People are all too willing to overlook this. 

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3 hours ago, DCGuy64 said:

You're statistically  more likely to die of way more things in life than Covid.

 

Incidentally this wasn't true when Covid was raging.  According to the Kaiser Health Tracker:

 

"As of February 20, 2021, an average of more than 2,400 people per day died of COVID-19 in the U.S. during February 2021. That number is staggering compared to other leading causes of death and is nearly 20% higher than the next leading cause. Heart disease, which is typically the number one cause of death in the U.S. each year, leads to the death of about 2,000 Americans per day, and cancer claims about 1,600 American lives per day."

 

We need to keep it from raging again.  Glad you're getting vaccinated!

 

3 hours ago, DCGuy64 said:

And that's without going into the fact that, on average, people who died had 3.8 co-morbidities.

 

Maybe you are not saying this, but some people claim that the existence of comorbidities artificially inflates covid death count with deaths that shouldn't be attributed to covid.  That's not true, unless they're talking about the occasional error.

 

For example, suppose someone has only one lung, gets covid, and dies of lung inflammation caused by covid.  That is legitimately counted as a covid-caused death.  Same with other common comorbidities.  Those people might have died of heart disease, diabetes etc. someday, but covid caused them to die, perhaps years early.  Surely they should count!

 

Of course there are also cases where a person tested positive but the comorbidity got them before covid did, so they aren't counted.

 

https://www.livescience.com/how-covid-19-deaths-are-counted.html

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1 hour ago, andreasfcb said:

Those vaccines have official (not expedited or emergency) approvals in some countries. Our country (Switzerland) is one of the most advanced countries regarding science (including health care) and two vaccines are offficially approved: Pfizer and Moderna. The process for approval is very strict and thorough. For instance, AstraZeneca has not been approved yet.

 

It looks weird to me that some here are denying the vaccines only because that they haven’t been officially approved in the US FDA yet. While I understand that people are skeptical, we should look at the science. There is a lot of data around, especially from Israel (Pfizer) and the results are better than anyone expected 6 months ago.

 

Take care!

 


Here in America we have celebrity antivaxxers, a few left wing antivaxxers  and a few right wing antivaxxers. The anti science types are all over the political spectrum. However most of the right, center and left is getting vaccinated. Really, there are not that many whack a doodles. 

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8 hours ago, ArthurUSCG said:


Just surviving isn't the only concern. There is associated risk of mental health issues for covid survivors.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brain-idUSKBN2BT2ZI

I'm as much or even more concerned for Kids Mental Health out of School and no Play Dates for over a year. Know it's really effected more then a couple my 34 Nieces and Nephews. Multiple Family Members had Covid, all Mild w/no lasting issues. Me 55yr old, have 10 younger Brother/Sisters ages 34-54, we all got Vaccine's. I was last getting my 2nd last Saturday. Shot's had me and my 30yr old Daughter down for 2 days, 102 & 103 Fever, she had long lasting "Covid Arm" after her 1st one

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I can see the necessity for doing Covid testing just prior to cruising, but carte blanche vaccination is another animal entirely. At risk individuals voluntarily getting the vaccine makes sense, but perfectly healthy people? Not so sure. How come medical doctors are reporting that this "spike" protein in the vaccine could compromise your body's immune system for protection from future viruses? If this is survivable, similar to flu or cold... shouldn't it be an optional vaccine? I think the fear of the unknown or what "could" happen has caused people to jump on the vaccine as the panacea for all mankind. Doesn't "herd immunity" also come from people being exposed to the virus and developing serum antibodies? I am on the fence about this one... 

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49 minutes ago, DCGuy64 said:

If someone could produce reliable, verifiable data that a LOT of people died due to Covid who were otherwise perfectly healthy, I'd be happy to revise my point of view. But even 10,000-20,000 people, for example, out of the 5 billion + on this planet is not relevant, from a statistical POV (even though their deaths ARE relevant from a humanitarian one).

 

Weekly deaths above and below normal since March 15, 2020

United States

March 15 – Feb. 20

REPORTED COVID-19 DEATHS

497,343

TOTAL EXCESS DEATHS

574,300

TOTAL ABOVE NORMAL

21%

 

Here ya go
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1 hour ago, RedIguana said:

Weekly deaths above and below normal since March 15, 2020

United States

March 15 – Feb. 20

REPORTED COVID-19 DEATHS

497,343

TOTAL EXCESS DEATHS

574,300

TOTAL ABOVE NORMAL

21%

 

Here ya go

Where is this from? It's just a blank page with a few statistics, for all I know you just made it up.

1 hour ago, Shorewalk Holmes said:

You use 65 as a reference age.  There are about 50 million people over 65 in the US.  Add the younger people with comorbiditiies, and maybe there are 75-100 million at-risk people.  Are you suggesting that, when it comes to lockdown policy, their deaths shouldn't count?  

I use 65 because, since last year we have seen that the most vulnerable populations are those over 65. Yet even among that group, best as I can recollect, the survival rate is 95%. NINETY-FIVE PERCENT. Hardly worth locking down everyone. When we look at the toll the lock downs have taken, I could easily ask you the same question. Should their deaths not count? BTW I detest the cheap emotional ploy that question obviously is designed to evoke. Everyone's death counts. Obviously.

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Just google excess deaths US 2020. Pick you preferred news source. Data will be from death certificates submitted to CDC. Pick any other year. Other years will show spikes from bad flu seasons, etc. 

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1 minute ago, DCGuy64 said:

When we look at the toll the lock downs have taken, I could easily ask you the same question. Should their deaths not count? BTW I detest the cheap emotional ploy that question obviously is designed to evoke. Everyone's death counts. Obviously.

 

My sincere apologies for not stating this better. I certainly didn't mean to imply that you or anyone thinks that deaths aren't important.

 

So my sentence was:

 

Are you suggesting that, when it comes to lockdown policy, their deaths shouldn't count?

  

I actually meant 'shouldn't count' literally.  I got the impression that you were arguing that covid death numbers among at-risk folks shouldn't be a major factor in determining lockdown policy. 

 

Here's what I wish I had written:

 

Are you suggesting that lockdowns should be mostly determined by the low death rates among young, healthy people, as opposed to the higher death rates among the 75-100 million older and at-risk people? 

 

If so, I am skeptical, but for all I know there may be studies supporting this idea.

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