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On 4/5/2021 at 3:54 PM, ONECRUISER said:

Sign Medical records release to Board a Cruise Ship? Not going happen. Besides as I stated above unknown who has these Shot records, is nothing in my Insurance or Primary Care except I told them I got it. Do have my Covid Shot Card, that I had fill out personal Info myself

Sorry but if you get a prescription drug, a medical procedure of any kind including an injection records are kept. For drugs including vaccines, drug name, manufacturer, lot number, expiration date ALL ARE NOW PART OF YOUR MEDICAL RECIORDS. 

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To schedule an appt for the vaccine at Walmart, you had to fill out a registration form online, was glad to do it.  We are all under the careful eye of the government if we have a cell phone, pay taxes, drive a car, own a home or whatever.  You cannot escape it dude!  Just give it up. We all now have "the mark of the beast" 😆  If you don't already know that, you can now pull your head out of the sand.

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1 hour ago, boscobeans said:

Sorry but if you get a prescription drug, a medical procedure of any kind including an injection records are kept. For drugs including vaccines, drug name, manufacturer, lot number, expiration date ALL ARE NOW PART OF YOUR MEDICAL RECIORDS. 

Only place has my name, name of Vaccine and dates of Shots is place gave them. They didnt ask SS#, Dr or Insurance Plan. Just checked again, no records of Vaccine on my Insurance Plan and none on my Primary Care Records.

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7 minutes ago, ONECRUISER said:

Only place has my name, name of Vaccine and dates of Shots is place gave them. They didnt ask SS#, Dr or Insurance Plan. Just checked again, no records of Vaccine on my Insurance Plan and none on my Primary Care Records.

Then somewhere there is STILL a record of your vaccination if for nothing other than in case of side effects,  future recalls or litigation..  NO WAY AROUND IT.. YOU ARE ON A DATABASE... My proof card (THE C.D.C. CARD) has my name, date and type of injection and date of birth and that's all.. HOWEVER those basics as well as all the rest of the information they entered into the computer when either making the appointment or while being advised of the side effects etc, and signing the release to get the vaccine is on a maintained database.

 

Injections are not like buying a bottle of aspirin.

 

 

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2 hours ago, DCGuy64 said:

Thank you for taking the time to post those links. I appreciate it. Quite fascinating, as it turns out. Having just taken a few moments to peruse some of the graphs, you can see a clear downward trend pretty much everywhere in the United States. Of particular note is South Dakota, which (according to its governor, Kristi Noem) never locked down. It had a spike somewhere between Oct 2020 and Feb 2021 (hard to tell since the graphs aren't month-by-month), and yet its trend is also downward, and was nowhere near New York's. Even most of Europe is trending downward in terms of cases. Therefore, all the more reason to stop the lock downs and open up tourism again.

 

There is evidence that suggests population density affects infection rates and deaths. So I wouldn't assume that because South Dakota (11 people/sq.mi) did not lock down New Jersey (1,218 people/sq.mi.) should have done the same.

 

There are still more new cases today than a year ago. Some 60% more.  How is that a reason to stop pandemic mitigation efforts?

 

The only really good news is that vaccinations and therapeutics have advanced to the point that deaths are below those of a year ago.

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4 minutes ago, broberts said:

There is evidence that suggests population density affects infection rates and deaths. So I wouldn't assume that because South Dakota (11 people/sq.mi) did not lock down New Jersey (1,218 people/sq.mi.) should have done the same.

And yet, as sure as I'm sitting here, I can PROMISE you that I read more than one observer find a period in which SD had a spike in cases and the person proclaimed "A-ha! Just shows having no lockdown doesn't work"! There has been so much cherrypicking and discrediting of facts that are inconvenient to the speaker, it's absolutely ludicrous. I do agree with your last sentence, however. That's encouraging news, to be sure.

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7 minutes ago, broberts said:

 

There is evidence that suggests population density affects infection rates and deaths. So I wouldn't assume that because South Dakota (11 people/sq.mi) did not lock down New Jersey (1,218 people/sq.mi.) should have done the same.

 

There are still more new cases today than a year ago. Some 60% more.  How is that a reason to stop pandemic mitigation efforts?

 

The only really good news is that vaccinations and therapeutics have advanced to the point that deaths are below those of a year ago.

It does make South Dakota our vacation destination this summer.  Knowing that things are open for business and restrictions are minimal will make for a relaxing vacation.  

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14 minutes ago, Keksie said:

It does make South Dakota our vacation destination this summer.  Knowing that things are open for business and restrictions are minimal will make for a relaxing vacation.  

Our family went last summer.  It was overall as close to normal as I think you can get.  Mt. Rushmore was amazing, and the natural beauty was nice.  Don't get me wrong....I really want a beach in the Caribbean, but not having to mess with all of the drama of the pandemic was so nice.

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1 hour ago, Keksie said:

It does make South Dakota our vacation destination this summer.  Knowing that things are open for business and restrictions are minimal will make for a relaxing vacation.  

That's where we are headed in June and Colorado for a few days.  Will have to overlook all the pot heads and loons there though.

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4 hours ago, boscobeans said:

Then somewhere there is STILL a record of your vaccination if for nothing other than in case of side effects,  future recalls or litigation..  NO WAY AROUND IT.. YOU ARE ON A DATABASE... My proof card (THE C.D.C. CARD) has my name, date and type of injection and date of birth and that's all.. HOWEVER those basics as well as all the rest of the information they entered into the computer when either making the appointment or while being advised of the side effects etc, and signing the release to get the vaccine is on a maintained database.

 

Injections are not like buying a bottle of aspirin.

 

 

Sure. Repeat, not complaining, just stating Fact no Record like everything else been sent to my Dr's or threw my Insurance. They only have my name at place got Vaccine, never been there before, even have one address I stayed at, not even one I'm living now. Any time I've had Flu shot in one of half Dozen States info was sent to my Dr Office and shows on my Insurance, both in a different State. Covid Shots did not

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4 hours ago, DCGuy64 said:

And yet, as sure as I'm sitting here, I can PROMISE you that I read more than one observer find a period in which SD had a spike in cases and the person proclaimed "A-ha! Just shows having no lockdown doesn't work"! There has been so much cherrypicking and discrediting of facts that are inconvenient to the speaker, it's absolutely ludicrous. I do agree with your last sentence, however. That's encouraging news, to be sure.

I remember seeing one these smaller States in News saying they are up 300%, when one week cases showing actual cases were 10 and next week 30. 300% is more sensational 

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2 minutes ago, ONECRUISER said:

I remember seeing one these smaller States in News saying they are up 300%, when one week cases showing actual cases were 10 and next week 30. 300% is more sensational 

Exactly. Context is everything. If I say the local lemonade stand increased prices by 10x, that sounds like a lot. But if it went from $.01 to $.10, yes that's 10x as much but still cheap! 

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On 4/8/2021 at 1:38 PM, Sky616 said:

I'll take my chances with a virus with a 99.6% survival rate versus a experimental "vaccine" rushed to market.  I'll wait and let all  the guinea pigs get it.

Did you really say the mRNA vaccines were "rushed to market"? These vaccines were in development for at least 10 years. Even as far back as the 1990s, there was experimentation with mRNA. Here is an article about the scientist who laid the groundwork for the mRNA vaccines.........

 

The scientist who laid the groundwork for the mRNA vaccines

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On 3/30/2021 at 12:43 PM, ONECRUISER said:

No SSN asked and even asked if I wanted info send to my Drs ect or not. Had 12 places ask me schedule in 14days, after first shot, even went online see if could have schedule multiple appts. Vaccine Card received doesn't even have my name on it, just Vaccine info. That one was the surprise. Vaccines(except kids) required to Cruise this Summer Yes, later on into Regular Cruises Nope. Don't see this Vaccine ever 100% Mandate, at least in US. This isnt like Kids requiring Vaccines/Card for school, they dont even require Influenza even though that killed more minors in last yr then Covid.

If your name wasn’t even on the card then someone was slacking.

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19 minutes ago, ReneeFLL said:

If your name wasn’t even on the card then someone was slacking.

Yeah as said before my Vaccine Card didnt even have any my name/Info on it, just Vaccine Name and date of. Others on here said same. Sure I'm not only one, think Homeless and uninsured or those without a Primary Dr. I had now 15 different places call me get shot, was on 16 lists. I picked first place/date

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6 hours ago, ONECRUISER said:

Only place has my name, name of Vaccine and dates of Shots is place gave them. They didnt ask SS#, Dr or Insurance Plan. Just checked again, no records of Vaccine on my Insurance Plan and none on my Primary Care Records.

In most states the healthcare provider that administered the vaccination is required to maintain records. The card is more for your info and has an appointment reminder on the back and the front side with shot info is for if you have adverser reaction and need to seek medical care.

Most states require providing a mailing/physical address and some form of ID.

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6 minutes ago, ArthurUSCG said:

In most states the healthcare provider that administered the vaccination is required to maintain records. The card is more for your info and has an appointment reminder on the back and the front side with shot info is for if you have adverser reaction and need to seek medical care.

Most states require providing a mailing/physical address and some form of ID.

Where I'm was the County was doing first, I went to Pharmacy. Sure they have my info, but besides Vaccine Name/Date for me all they have is Age/Name/Address I gave them. 

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On 4/3/2021 at 7:19 PM, jean87510 said:

I question the stupidity of someone forging a card possibly to get on a cruise.  Here's a scenario.  You get a negative covid test 72 hrs pre cruise.  You travel to the cruise and possibly get covid in those 72 hrs.  Then you are on the ship and either start showing symptoms or you are tested positive prior to disembarking for your travel home.  You now have to explain about that faked vaccine card.  Is it really worth it?  

For you and I no it wouldn’t be worth it. You would be surprised how many people do things and have the mentality that they will never get caught. People who are totally against the vaccines and want to cruise I’m sure there will be some who will do it. People have done worse with the same stupid mentality.

 

On 4/3/2021 at 7:37 PM, boscobeans said:

N.Y. issues what they call an Excelsior pass.

 

It has a complex type of QR scan code that has all your vaccine information and can only be issued after you answer several specific questions concerning your vaccination history and must be presented with govt. issued photo id.

 

It must be renewed every 30 days.

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I like that, but what a PITA to have to renew it every 30 days.

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My husband was supposed to get his second shot tomorrow at Publix.  They called him today and asked if he could come in now because so many people didn't show up for their appointments today they were going to have to throw out doses.  Maybe they went to the walk in clinic that they are holding every day this week instead.  It won't be long before any one in my county who wants a shot will have been able to get one.

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7 hours ago, ONECRUISER said:

Only place has my name, name of Vaccine and dates of Shots is place gave them. They didnt ask SS#, Dr or Insurance Plan. Just checked again, no records of Vaccine on my Insurance Plan and none on my Primary Care Records.

Your state health department has all the information. 

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6 hours ago, broberts said:

There is evidence that suggests population density affects infection rates and deaths. So I wouldn't assume that because South Dakota (11 people/sq.mi) did not lock down New Jersey (1,218 people/sq.mi.) should have done the same.

 

6 hours ago, DCGuy64 said:

And yet, as sure as I'm sitting here, I can PROMISE you that I read more than one observer find a period in which SD had a spike in cases and the person proclaimed "A-ha! Just shows having no lockdown doesn't work"! There has been so much cherrypicking and discrediting of facts that are inconvenient to the speaker, it's absolutely ludicrous. I do agree with your last sentence, however. That's encouraging news, to be sure.

 

Good points. 

 

States (and counties) vary in population density, age, income distribution, climate, medical infrastructure, etc.

 

So it's hard to conclude much about lockdowns from state/county comparisons using only raw case/death data. A scientific conclusion probably requires statistical control of these other factors. 

 

Even timeline data for a single county are problematic.  Lockdowns often happen when cases rise, so a graph showing that cases continue to rise after the lockdown doesn't prove that the lockdown didn't have an effect.  Case rate might have risen even faster without the lockdown.

 

I know it's tempting to say 'hey, my anti-lockdown state has an infection history, etc. better than New York/California, so lockdowns don't work'. But that's probably not scientifically valid without the proper analysis to back it up.

 

Same story for pro-lockdown arguments from raw infection data only.

 

But I'm far from an expert on lockdown studies.  If someone on this board knows of a current comprehensive review of articles in refereed journals on the issue of lockdowns and covid infection spread, I'd be interested.

 

Meanwhile, many non-political Americans probably make the common-sense assumption that failing to lock down last winter saved jobs and businesses but produced many more in-person contacts, much more covid spread and many additional deaths.

 

I hope people are intellectually honest enough to include both deaths and business losses in their assessment of lockdowns instead of rationalizing their position by trying to minimize one or the other using misleading data.

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4 hours ago, ONECRUISER said:

Sure. Repeat, not complaining, just stating Fact no Record like everything else been sent to my Dr's or threw my Insurance. They only have my name at place got Vaccine, never been there before, even have one address I stayed at, not even one I'm living now. Any time I've had Flu shot in one of half Dozen States info was sent to my Dr Office and shows on my Insurance, both in a different State. Covid Shots did not

if you don't mind me asking, what state are you in?  There is a way you can check with your state.  Some dr offices do not have the capability to print a vaccine record.  But there are other places that can.  A helpful link to look at is the following:  

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/iis/contacts-locate-records.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.go

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2 hours ago, ONECRUISER said:

Yeah as said before my Vaccine Card didnt even have any my name/Info on it, just Vaccine Name and date of. Others on here said same. Sure I'm not only one, think Homeless and uninsured or those without a Primary Dr. I had now 15 different places call me get shot, was on 16 lists. I picked first place/date

 

So, if you applied at 16 different sites, didn't you have to provide them some information. 🤔

 

And when you got the shot, did you have to show an ID?

 

We did a lot of information at Walgreens to get ours. Even had to create an online account

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5 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

So, if you applied at 16 different sites, didn't you have to provide them some information. 🤔

 

And when you got the shot, did you have to show an ID?

 

We did a lot of information at Walgreens to get ours. Even had to create an online account

We got our covid shots through the city of Nashville, TN..   Dh says we showed drivers license but agrees no insurance info given.  Different from giving CVS our insurance info when we get our flu shots.

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7 minutes ago, njkruzer said:

We got our covid shots through the city of Nashville, TN..   Dh says we showed drivers license but agrees no insurance info given.  Different from giving CVS our insurance info when we get our flu shots.

 

So you just showed up and waited in line. 

 

No appointment?

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