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1 hour ago, Doggielover68 said:

This is the ultimate list of first world problems. "I'm going on a luxury vacation that many people would never be able to afford and I have to wear a piece of cloth on my face. Poor me."

 

I get it, masks and restrictions are annoying. My glasses fog up, my ears hurt, I have acne, etc. However, I would gladly deal with those minor inconveniences to be able to look at something other than my house. For the past year, I leave my house only to get groceries. In 2019, I spent 4 weeks out of the country on vacation. I'm ready to go just about anywhere at this point.

Close quarters and close contact is more prevalent on cruises. We take a lot of things for granted.  What you say is not practical from a mass consumer cruise way of doing business. It seems specialized. Very specialized. And brings economic class levels into question. 

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On 3/6/2021 at 10:40 AM, cruisingguy007 said:

I think many folks are underestimating the impact of masks and social distancing will have on the cruise experience. Imagine a craps table with only three players? A bar with people spaced six feet apart? A pool with folks just standing 6 feet apart? Some things just aren't the same when the social aspects and benefits are removed. It becomes a sad version of what would otherwise be an exciting, energy filled, and social occasion. Not to mention, long lines of folks 6 feet apart to get a guys burger or some tacos? There wouldn't even be enough room for that. 

 

 The whole thing would be weird. It will also take time for a lot people to deprogram from the standoffish and avoidance behaviors that has been pounded into their psyche for the last year+. Many will have PTSD/anxiety carryover and may be skittish and/or paranoid in group settings, even when things are safe and risk minimal. Cruising just wasn't built and intended to operate in the type of conditions that would be required to satisfy the distancing/masking that people think would be so easily implemented. It really changes the experience entirely.          

Every second of vacation counts (for those who work).  Just thinking every time you plan or go somewhere on the ship what exactly will occur in any situation is just disturbing matter, not a vacation whatsoever, and that is "glued" with paying thousands $ (if not tens of thousands) for a few days of "relaxation".  I literally cannot see such humans who would really enjoy such an experience.  It's not even about fun, it's about just not being able to have a basic relaxation.

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19 hours ago, squierjosh said:

Seriously people, if you don't think you'll have fun, don't go. And don't worry about people who think they're still capable of having fun without cramming into a bar or watching a hairy chest contest. I doubt masks will be required if you're outside on the lido deck or on a chair. Maybe whne you're in line for the restaurant or in the lounge watching a show. That's no different than being on land right now.

Correct.  However, we compare daily life with what is know as vacation (holiday) which is precious for whose who work.

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The reality is and from reading the various topics on this site for the past year no one agrees with others about covid and how its being handled or not handled. Put people on ships even at 50% - each person with a different thought to how safe it may or may not be, each person with a different number of risks or no risks. Some or maybe all vaccinated...

Do you think for a second when a couple of drinks are involved and the ship is well on its way there wont be mass fighting? I have been on ships out of NY in the summer where at the best of times nobody can behave and the crowds are rough - add in covid and the FUN level will just go up.

 

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19 hours ago, squierjosh said:

Seriously people, if you don't think you'll have fun, don't go. And don't worry about people who think they're still capable of having fun without cramming into a bar or watching a hairy chest contest. I doubt masks will be required if you're outside on the lido deck or on a chair. Maybe whne you're in line for the restaurant or in the lounge watching a show. That's no different than being on land right now.

On land you can simply go elsewhere - On a ship there is nowhere to go but your room.

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On 3/8/2021 at 6:59 PM, Roz said:

 

Elaborate please.

 

Because aside from the airport, there was literally no restriction anywhere I went. No masks, no capacity limits. You can gather a few people who say they want all of these things, but there are a lot of people who unequivocally, do not want these things. They do not want to wear masks while having fun. They do not want to go to venues where no one is. They do not want to do forced excursions.

 

Let's be real, a big portion of why Florida is this way is because it's what the people want. A few people can live in fear and say Florida doesn't care about health. They actually care what the majority of their residents and tourists want. This is what they want.

 

I challenge anyone to go to Florida, observe, and then argue that a highly restrictive cruise is going to be popular.

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11 hours ago, charmed101 said:

Thinking about cruising these days gives me a headache !!

Wear a mask they say, 6 feet they say, lord, the poor boat will have three groups on board,,,,  on one side will be the ones with a six pack under their arm glaring at you, on the other side will be the ones hiding in there hazmat suit with binoculars trying to catch that elusive human without a mask on, then the third group will be hiding in there room believing they are having a blast !!!

Today, in between the 4 meals and 3  naps that I have daily, I had a nightmare,  I was dreaming that I was on the first cruise ship that sailed,  I woke up early with a smile on my face and headed for my balcony,,,,,,  dam,  someone has put a book and a pair of sandles on my lounger on my balcony!!!!!  I screamed and fell off the chesterfield and hit my head on the coffee table, yes,,,,

 Thinking about cruising these days gives me a headache !!

I have the same feeling all the time since I stepped of the Ponant ship on March 24, 2020 in Tahiti after a long cruise to nowhere from the Easter Island - the best cruise of my life (I'm not joking).  I flew home, and since then every morning I feel like yesterday was just nightmare from my sleep.  I came from the country where everyone is gloomy and angry.  Now it's the same here (it took 1 event to turn everyone upside down), and people have been laughing at me when I was telling them some stories from the past (no toilet paper, empty food shelves, bureaucracy, everyone relying on a gentle mister from the  government to decide for them how to live their lives, redistribution of wealth, making everyone "equal" - equally poor, ...).  It makes me so sick (I don't need a virus-shmirus).

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It appears the more restrictive the state, the more a pearson seems to want to go on a restrictive cruise. Purely observation. I am over 65 and wore a mask when I went to the stores. However, I went to the stores when I wanted to and kept my distance (Walmart, Lowes, Publix, Costco etc...). In July I started playing golf again. The club required only one rider per cart, removed rakes from traps, and other rules to reduce touching.  I have now received both Covid shots. My decision is not to take a step or steps backwards for a cruise. Somebody else can have my spot. I will go when restrictions may be less confining.

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On 3/8/2021 at 10:44 AM, jetsfan58 said:

My strongest fear was that these vaccinations would cause a false sense of "Ok-ness" . Please don't allow my theory to gain ground. Please wear your mask and stay safe.  

For how long should we be forced to wear a mask?

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On 3/6/2021 at 4:51 AM, ledges1 said:

With the anticipated return of cruising, excitement is high as are bookings. Many of us remember cruising as it once was. With new restrictions, will this limit the FUN on Carnival and possibly sour the experience until restrictions are lifted. This could take a year or two. Will these possible restrictions limit the FUN.

1. Mask required

2. Limited seating in nightclubs

3. Limited seating in shows

4. Limited seating/games in casino

5. Slow turnover of players in casino resulting in waiting to get a slot machine

6. Carnival only excursions

7. Fewer ports of call due to slow reopening by other countries.                  8. Key West no longer available as a destination and Grand Cayman may limit cruise ship visits.                              

9. Hairy chest contest eliminated.          

10. Lido deck games removed due covid restrictions; putt putt, cornhole, chess, ping pong, ice carving, mixology contest, hot tubs, etc...                               I have no real insight to what the restrictions may be, but in reallity, these could all occur.  Will this effect your experience?

Doesn’t sound like the “Fun Ship 🚢 “ for anymore.  Our past cruises were the most fun times we’ve had.  So when we go on vacation we get away from the restrictions of everyday life.  Now if I want to go on my favorite way to vacation, cruising, I’m given a list of RESTRICTIONS 😡.  No, I’m taking my money and going on a vacation with my husband where the only restrictions are between us 😉

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10 hours ago, Joebucks said:

 

Because aside from the airport, there was literally no restriction anywhere I went. No masks, no capacity limits. You can gather a few people who say they want all of these things, but there are a lot of people who unequivocally, do not want these things. They do not want to wear masks while having fun. They do not want to go to venues where no one is. They do not want to do forced excursions.

 

Let's be real, a big portion of why Florida is this way is because it's what the people want. A few people can live in fear and say Florida doesn't care about health. They actually care what the majority of their residents and tourists want. This is what they want.

 

I challenge anyone to go to Florida, observe, and then argue that a highly restrictive cruise is going to be popular.

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On 3/10/2021 at 8:30 AM, Doggielover68 said:

This is the ultimate list of first world problems. "I'm going on a luxury vacation that many people would never be able to afford and I have to wear a piece of cloth on my face. Poor me."

 

I get it, masks and restrictions are annoying. My glasses fog up, my ears hurt, I have acne, etc. However, I would gladly deal with those minor inconveniences to be able to look at something other than my house. For the past year, I leave my house only to get groceries. In 2019, I spent 4 weeks out of the country on vacation. I'm ready to go just about anywhere at this point.

Cruising is a first world problem. Since this is a cruise board it seems the right place to discuss concerns without being shamed. 

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I am taking things day by day.  In another 2 weeks I can actually hug my 80 year old dad.  We will both be 3 weeks since our second shots.   as the months go on, we will see changes all over.  so hopefully when I sail Christmas I will just need to wear a mask.  again, chair, sun, sea breeze and kindle is all I need.  

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5 hours ago, Doggielover68 said:

Until there is herd immunity

Sound like their will be no fun for a while then.

If we are waiting for herd immunity we prob should all just sell our stock and move on.

 

Face covering will most likely become optional  at some point like in some states and then people are free to wear or not wear, There will never be a clear consensus on people agreeing what to do as everyone is emotionally charged one way or the other. The point will come where people who want continued restrictions and have no tolerance for the people who choice otherwise will have the choice of just staying stay home or joining the masses out. Things are moving to open up in all states. Its starting and it may have to do with some optimism in the vaccine or the point that people cannot take this much longer. 

 

 

FYI - Before anyone starts to argue or get political - I still plan on being a nut and wearing a mast, but I personally have no care as to what others do. If I am not comfortable somewhere I go somewhere else.

 

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19 hours ago, Stick93 said:

Sound like their will be no fun for a while then.

If we are waiting for herd immunity we prob should all just sell our stock and move on.

 

Face covering will most likely become optional  at some point like in some states and then people are free to wear or not wear, There will never be a clear consensus on people agreeing what to do as everyone is emotionally charged one way or the other. The point will come where people who want continued restrictions and have no tolerance for the people who choice otherwise will have the choice of just staying stay home or joining the masses out. Things are moving to open up in all states. Its starting and it may have to do with some optimism in the vaccine or the point that people cannot take this much longer. 

 

 

FYI - Before anyone starts to argue or get political - I still plan on being a nut and wearing a mast, but I personally have no care as to what others do. If I am not comfortable somewhere I go somewhere else.

 

Herd immunity is coming, probably june, depending on the actual calcculations.  Israel will get there even sooner.  I will take wearing a mask as a logical decision, today it is logical.

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On 3/10/2021 at 10:42 AM, Stick93 said:

The reality is and from reading the various topics on this site for the past year no one agrees with others about covid and how its being handled or not handled. Put people on ships even at 50% - each person with a different thought to how safe it may or may not be, each person with a different number of risks or no risks. Some or maybe all vaccinated...

Do you think for a second when a couple of drinks are involved and the ship is well on its way there wont be mass fighting? I have been on ships out of NY in the summer where at the best of times nobody can behave and the crowds are rough - add in covid and the FUN level will just go up.

 

Not to sound mean and this is not directed at the poster but... it does not matter what people think when they are on the ship.  The ship has rules and you follow the rules.  If you do not like the rules don't go.  If the rules say wear a mask then wear a mask.  Don't go off on your own at a port... don't do it.

 

As for mass fighting... having to deal with restriction all over the place, tensions will be high.  There will be some friction from both sides... the entitled morons who feel the rules do not apply and those that feel they need to call out everybody for not following the rules.  A cruise will not be the relaxing experience it has been especially at the beginning while they get the kinks worked out.

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I'm tired of this *%#$ mask - but i still wear it so that things can get back to "normal" sooner than later. I'll wear it on the ship if I have to, but would rather wait to sail until there is no mask debate. We have a cruise booked for this October that I know we won't be going on whether the ship sails or not. 

 

If the ship is your happy place with or without a mask and you're down to see that beautiful sunset over the ocean regardless of the restrictions, I wish you a most wonderful time. My wife and I don't love the crowds on the ship, but the silly things we do love may not be the same. We love exploring a new port on our own, watching the partiers stagger back onto the ship, then over-indulge ourselves on soft serve in the buffet before a nice dinner in the MDR where we look forward to food being flung by napkin twirlers during "showtime". We love sharing a table with strangers at Red Frog Pub before embarkation who have enjoyed one too many of the half-off pitcher drinks. We love looking down from deck 5 onto the main floor and watching the cruise director entertain an atrium full of tightly packed folks. We love bopping around the casino and donating money to various machines - and land based casinos with social distancing are not as fun as they were pre-covid.

 

My wife was glued to the tv last spring as those cruisers were stuck in their cabin. I think it'll be a couple years before she is willing to step back on board for fear of that being her. To all of you willing to take the lead, I applaud you and thank you for doing your part to keep the industry afloat until the rest of us are ready to return.  

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On 3/10/2021 at 9:51 AM, Joebucks said:

 

Let's be real, a big portion of why Florida is this way is because it's what the people want. A few people can live in fear and say Florida doesn't care about health. They actually care what the majority of their residents and tourists want. This is what they want.

 

IMHO, in Florida it's about the money and always has been. There is a LOT of criticism of Florida's response, and a lot of questions about their numbers. And it seems to be growing.

 

 

On 3/10/2021 at 9:51 AM, Joebucks said:

I challenge anyone to go to Florida, observe, and then argue that a highly restrictive cruise is going to be popular.

 

At the moment, I'd rather go on a highly restrictive cruise than hang out in Florida - especially around spring break.

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On 3/8/2021 at 7:03 PM, marshhawk said:

And 33K people in Florida died from Covid in one year. 

comparing cases and deaths per 100,000 residents, Florida has seen the same burden level as has California, but the responses to the problem could not have been more different.

 

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2 hours ago, mredandchis said:

Herd immunity is coming, probably june, depending on the actual calcculations.  Israel will get there even sooner.  I will take wearing a mask as a logical decision, today it is logical.

I disagree wearing a mask currently is logical; however, I agree with you that herd immunity is around the corner.  An article in the WSJ just came out and a researcher claims by the end of April, it should be gone basically in the US.

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30 minutes ago, Buckeyefrank100 said:

I disagree wearing a mask currently is logical; however, I agree with you that herd immunity is around the corner.  An article in the WSJ just came out and a researcher claims by the end of April, it should be gone basically in the US.

One day, like a miracle, it will disappear. 😄

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