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1 minute ago, ace2542 said:

But Pfizer was up first and also moved to the 12 cycle. The Astra always was 12 weeks. The Pfizer hasn't been but is now and has been since almost the start of the year. 

Thats wrong.

 

Pfizer was 21 days until they changed it based on trial data. I know because i know people who had 2 does in 1 month

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2 minutes ago, sgmn said:

Oops probably my fault responding to something not-enough-cruising said in post 135.  But as you know as an experienced CC member these threads often go off course. 😏

 

It’s just that expert that shows up. Watches old Gun Smoke reruns for their data. 
 

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51 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

That idea appears to have paid off big time with us being close to a third of the country having some vaccine protection and being in a strong place as a result. My dad was really lucky to get his Pfizer on the 3 or 4 week cycle before they changed it.

 

I am surprised at one thing though. That you and your husband in the same household 2 days apart got different vaccines. Why did you not get the same one? Did you ask, did they give you a reason?  I had mine done Sunday in our home town in Ormskirk at a vaccine centre which has been retrofitted with the needed cooling equipment to it to enable it to keep the Pfizer at the needed temperature so I assumed I was getting the Pfizer. Yet I also got the Astra Zeneca.

You really can’t say the gamble has paid off. You have no idea what a patient’s immunity level will be after their 12 week Pfizer follow up shot. 
I can tell you these vaccines were trialed at different intervals, and 21 days was selected

for a reason. This is why the FDA prohibited the intervals to be changed in the USA. 

The UK gamble may turn out to achieve a larger number of people with some resistance, that will never achieve the maximum resistance possible due to the interval. 

 

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4 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

Just heard alaska has opened vaccines to anyone over age 16. Any and all can now get it. 

Many counties in TX have started the same thing, and it is expected the entire state will be open to anyone in the next couple weeks 

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2 minutes ago, Keksie said:

I am just waiting for the CDC to tell me I can do something I am not already doing.  

Absolutely.  Don't listen to any of their BS and haven't the whole time.

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22 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

You really can’t say the gamble has paid off. You have no idea what a patient’s immunity level will be after their 12 week Pfizer follow up shot. 
I can tell you these vaccines were trialed at different intervals, and 21 days was selected

for a reason. This is why the FDA prohibited the intervals to be changed in the USA. 

The UK gamble may turn out to achieve a larger number of people with some resistance, that will never achieve the maximum resistance possible due to the interval. 

 

This isnt correct. 

 

21 days was selected because thats what the trial data was based on. It has nothing to do with what is better or worse. 

 

The UK has been running studies on antibody levels and they have found that antibody levels have continued to rise consistently well in to the 3rd month. Also this is based on the oldest and weakest people who were first in line for the pfizer vaccine. Younger people have stronger immune systems and the expectation is that immune response will be even better. 

 

In fact it has worked out better than even the best estimates but the idea was to give everyone a level of immunity in the early days knowing summer would buy time for follow up shots. It makes no sense to waste 2nd doses on people when there are millions still vulnerable.

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17 minutes ago, livingonthebeach said:

Florida is starting to get more vaccine supplies in and has opened additional sites.  The eligibility requirements have been relaxed and thankfully availability to all will soon be here. 

Yes, and i just read that Orange County Convention Center will now allow any school or University staff to get vaccinated. University faculty and staff have not been previously allowed unless they met the age or at-risk requirement. 

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1 hour ago, Pandamonia said:

This isnt correct. 

 

21 days was selected because thats what the trial data was based on. It has nothing to do with what is better or worse. 

 

The UK has been running studies on antibody levels and they have found that antibody levels have continued to rise consistently well in to the 3rd month. Also this is based on the oldest and weakest people who were first in line for the pfizer vaccine. Younger people have stronger immune systems and the expectation is that immune response will be even better. 

 

In fact it has worked out better than even the best estimates but the idea was to give everyone a level of immunity in the early days knowing summer would buy time for follow up shots. It makes no sense to waste 2nd doses on people when there are millions still vulnerable.

I’m sorry but I will defer to the manufacturer testing upon which the protocols were set. You have no idea if it’s working out better than expected, because you don’t have nearly enough 12 week Pfizer vaccinated individuals to present adequate date VS millions of 21 day second vaccines and counting (not to mention that there is next to no post 2nd vaccine data on the 12 week cycle) 

Judging by your numerous questionable posts regarding masking, I will stick by the data that the entire international scientific community is basing their vaccine protocols on. 

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3 hours ago, A&L_Ont said:

Then enter the users name that you wish to disappear.  Hope this helps.

Thanks I don't like wasting my time with difficult people. Life is too short.

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3 hours ago, not-enough-cruising said:

You really can’t say the gamble has paid off. You have no idea what a patient’s immunity level will be after their 12 week Pfizer follow up shot. 
I can tell you these vaccines were trialed at different intervals, and 21 days was selected

for a reason. This is why the FDA prohibited the intervals to be changed in the USA. 

The UK gamble may turn out to achieve a larger number of people with some resistance, that will never achieve the maximum resistance possible due to the interval. 

 

I will defer to that but ask a counter question? With later second dose of Pfizer, won't that group of people have longer lasting protection? Or will it not work like that?

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Just now, ace2542 said:

I will defer to that but ask a counter question? With later second dose of Pfizer, won't that group of people have longer lasting protection? Or will it not work like that?

No one knows because it was not studied that way. There is a chance of that. There is also a chance (more likely) that 12 weeks later, the T cell response to the second dose will be FAR less robust, because the affects of the first dose have long been degraded.  “Stacking” the T cell response in a well defined, short timeframe creates a greater response and subsequently stronger antibody response. This  I must assume is the reason the American CDC declined to allow this type of scheduling here. 

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1 hour ago, not-enough-cruising said:

I’m sorry but I will defer to the manufacturer testing upon which the protocols were set. You have no idea if it’s working out better than expected, because you don’t have nearly enough 12 week Pfizer vaccinated individuals to present adequate date VS millions of 21 day second vaccines and counting (not to mention that there is next to no post 2nd vaccine data on the 12 week cycle) 

Judging by your numerous questionable posts regarding masking, I will stick by the data that the entire international scientific community is basing their vaccine protocols on. 

Oh really. Im pretty sure we have millions of vaccinated people with pfizer actually. We have vaccinated over 30% of the population already using 2 different vaccines. Both on 12 week intervals. 

 

The science has supported this method and vaccinating everyone faster far outweighs giving already vaccinated people a small amount of additional protection. 

 

 

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Pfizer Protocol- FWIW Walgreen's in northern O-H-I-O USA scheduled and administered my 2nd Pfizer vaccine exactly 4 weeks to the minute from the 1st dose. When I questioned my PCP at the Cleveland Clinic about this timing, she said that even a range of 6 weeks between jabs would be acceptable based on her knowledge.

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The CDC is a US branch of the Department of Health and Human Services.  There is interagency cooperation with the FDA which regulates medicines.

 

The CDC has jurisdiction over health matters involving travel, for incoming travelers in all cases, and for cruises because to grant permission to sail in US ports we require they subject themselves to our regulations. (same for crime jurisdiction.)

 

Although there is a World Health Organization, many countries look to the US CDC as the world's experts especially on infectious diseases.

 

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58 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

No one knows because it was not studied that way. There is a chance of that. There is also a chance (more likely) that 12 weeks later, the T cell response to the second dose will be FAR less robust, because the affects of the first dose have long been degraded.  “Stacking” the T cell response in a well defined, short timeframe creates a greater response and subsequently stronger antibody response. This  I must assume is the reason the American CDC declined to allow this type of scheduling here. 

 

Pfizer and Moderna dosing protocols are arbitrary they chose a dosing protocol and stuck with it according to both Pfizer and Moderna. 

 

Spacing the dosing in the UK is partly based on the effectiveness of the Astrazeneca/Oxford based upon dosing protocols set up in the trials

 

And is also based upon very robust historical scientific evidence carried out over many decades into immunisation carried out by the national health service. Holding and having access to records going back to the 1940's of everyone's immunisations provides a wealth of knowledge. 

 

Because Pfizer and Moderna chose 1 single dosing protocol and stated they would not advise changing this. If the CDC or US Government did alter the dosing and something went wrong who would be legally liable? Certainly not Pfizer or Moderna

 

Right or wrong the UK have chosen to listen and believe their scientific advisers and experts not the manufacturers of the mRNA vaccines and only time will tell which course was correct.

 

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1 hour ago, nomad098 said:

 

Pfizer and Moderna dosing protocols are arbitrary they chose a dosing protocol and stuck with it according to both Pfizer and Moderna. 

 

Spacing the dosing in the UK is partly based on the effectiveness of the Astrazeneca/Oxford based upon dosing protocols set up in the trials

 

And is also based upon very robust historical scientific evidence carried out over many decades into immunisation carried out by the national health service. Holding and having access to records going back to the 1940's of everyone's immunisations provides a wealth of knowledge. 

 

Because Pfizer and Moderna chose 1 single dosing protocol and stated they would not advise changing this. If the CDC or US Government did alter the dosing and something went wrong who would be legally liable? Certainly not Pfizer or Moderna

 

Right or wrong the UK have chosen to listen and believe their scientific advisers and experts not the manufacturers of the mRNA vaccines and only time will tell which course was correct.

 

Basing the spacing of Moderna or Pfizer vaccines based on experience with Astra Zeneca is laughable. They aren’t the same type

of vaccine. 
Having everyone’s records back to 1940, means absolutely NOTHING 

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1 hour ago, Pandamonia said:

Oh really. Im pretty sure we have millions of vaccinated people with pfizer actually. We have vaccinated over 30% of the population already using 2 different vaccines. Both on 12 week intervals. 

 

The science has supported this method and vaccinating everyone faster far outweighs giving already vaccinated people a small amount of additional protection. 

 

 

No, wrong again. 
 

The first Covid vaccine given in the UK was December 8. Twelve weeks from that date was last Tuesday March 2. 
 

You have ZERO post vaccinated data on a 12 week vaccine interval with the Pfizer product. 
 

There is NO science backing this protocol. 

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5 hours ago, livingonthebeach said:

Florida is starting to get more vaccine supplies in and has opened additional sites.  The eligibility requirements have been relaxed and thankfully availability to all will soon be here. 

Do you know if the Johnson & Johnson vaccine has made it to Florida yet? I would rather have the Pfizer or Moderna.

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5 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

No, wrong again. 
 

The first Covid vaccine given in the UK was December 8. Twelve weeks from that date was last Tuesday March 2. 
 

You have ZERO post vaccinated data on a 12 week vaccine interval with the Pfizer product. 
 

There is NO science backing this protocol. 

 

How do you know there is no science backing this protocol exactly? Do you know what studies have been and are currently being done? Imperial College has been running studies and collecting data all through the pandemic. 

 

You do realise that the WHO have come out and praised the move which has paid off and they are considering changing their own advice. 

 

Fact is there is NO NEGATIVE evidence for not doing it other than it goes against what pfizer did in their study. Pfizer never tested any other duration.

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27 minutes ago, ReneeFLL said:

Do you know if the Johnson & Johnson vaccine has made it to Florida yet? I would rather have the Pfizer or Moderna.

My daughter got Johnson & Johnson at Walmart Monday. In Jacksonville. 
She was online at 6:45am to try to get a Publix appointment, and then was told none left, so she tried Walmart. 
Disappointed it wasn’t Moderna or Pfizer, but her doctor told her not to worry about it. He said she might have a higher chance of getting COVID, but still no chance of a serious illness. 

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