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4 minutes ago, Texas Tillie said:


The casinos on Crystal have been nonsmoking for several years. 

 

3 minutes ago, nancygp said:


smoking has been banned from the casinos onboard for quite a few years.  The only place you can smoke indoors is in the Connoisseur lounge

 

Nancy 

Thanks for that information x 2.  However, I am still wondering how Crystal is going to manage social distancing and smoking without a mask onboard.  They may have to improvise something for this.

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12 minutes ago, Psoque said:

 

Thanks for that information x 2.  However, I am still wondering how Crystal is going to manage social distancing and smoking without a mask onboard.  They may have to improvise something for this.

 

I'm confused on why this is an issue?  Wouldn't it work the same as on land?  (Walk outside to the designated smoking area, stand/sit 6' apart from other smokers, remove mask, smoke, replace mask, come back inside when ready)?

 

Vince

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1 hour ago, BWIVince said:

 

I'm confused on why this is an issue?  Wouldn't it work the same as on land?  (Walk outside to the designated smoking area, stand/sit 6' apart from other smokers, remove mask, smoke, replace mask, come back inside when ready)?

 

Vince

6 feet distancing is typically recommended for people who are masked.  I am not sure how big the smoking areas are on Crystal or other ships, but I am not sure how many feet is enough and feasible.

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6 minutes ago, Psoque said:

6 feet distancing is typically recommended for people who are masked.  I am not sure how big the smoking areas are on Crystal or other ships, but I am not sure how many feet is enough and feasible.

They would either have to reduce capacity in the Connoisseur Club to keep the proper amount of social distancing  or keep it closed.  Under their listings of protocols although they specifically don't mention the Connoisseur Club it is a lounge and they note reduced capacity will be implemented in all lounges as they do for other areas including elevators.

 

I am sure they are working on all of the operational details to support the upcoming sailings.

 

Keith

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1 minute ago, Psoque said:

6 feet distancing is typically recommended for people who are masked.  I am not sure how big the smoking areas are on Crystal or other ships, but I am not sure how many feet is enough and feasible.

 

Even outdoors (and vaccinated)?  In my state we're allowed to be unmasked outdoors as long as you can consistently maintain 6' -- which is definitely not a problem with Crystal's designated smoking areas on Serenity.  If nothing else, the entire port promenade is smoking, besides all the aft cabin decks. 

 

Vince

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1 hour ago, bitob said:

You can all find 1000 reasons not to sail.

Or you can find 1000 reasons to sail

I prefer the latter.

I don’t think I am telling you or anybody not to take this or other cruise.  However, many of us are hoping that our eventual reopening of international travel including cruising will occur in the way that does not cause a new wave of infections.

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1 minute ago, BWIVince said:

 

Even outdoors (and vaccinated)?  In my state we're allowed to be unmasked outdoors as long as you can consistently maintain 6' -- which is definitely not a problem with Crystal's designated smoking areas on Serenity.  If nothing else, the entire port promenade is smoking, besides all the aft cabin decks. 

 

Vince

The 6 ft recommendation was originally made for masked individuals.  Different state and local regulations are interpreting the original recommendation in looser and looser manner.  And there’s nothing magical about 6 ft.  What we know that more distancing reduces transmission of this virus, and that effect is more pronounced with a mask (meaning that without a mask, the virus can travel further).  The indoor/outdoor argument is an interesting one that has not been studied as well as we want to.

 

There’s a difference between what is “allowed” vs what is considered reasonable precautions.  

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Am I the only one noticing PROFUSE number of posts by same posters , which are fairly irrelevant at PRESENT time ?

 

Like Bitob said, FOR NOW, decide whether you want to go on offered cruises this summer or not. What comes later in the year or next year is unknown at present

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15 minutes ago, Psoque said:

The 6 ft recommendation was originally made for masked individuals.  Different state and local regulations are interpreting the original recommendation in looser and looser manner.  And there’s nothing magical about 6 ft.  What we know that more distancing reduces transmission of this virus, and that effect is more pronounced with a mask (meaning that without a mask, the virus can travel further).  The indoor/outdoor argument is an interesting one that has not been studied as well as we want to.

 

There’s a difference between what is “allowed” vs what is considered reasonable precautions.  

 

I didn't say the 6' recommendation was magical, I was just giving a real-world example of how the smoking policy is managed statewide here.

 

I know this discussion is purely academic, but honestly I think most (and maybe all) smokers will be happy if the policy is to maintain X number of feet (whatever that turns out to be) when everyone is outside AND vaccinated.  Everyone understands none of those things is foolproof, but all together that sounds pretty darn safe for a 5 minute break.  ...But they'll vote with their wallet either way.

 

Vince

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3 hours ago, BWIVince said:

 

I'm confused on why this is an issue?  Wouldn't it work the same as on land?  (Walk outside to the designated smoking area, stand/sit 6' apart from other smokers, remove mask, smoke, replace mask, come back inside when ready)?

 

Vince

 

I hadn't thought about it, but I'd put money on the Connoisseur Club going non-smoking, at least until such time as masks are no longer deemed necessary(which could be quite a ways away.) 

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1 hour ago, docmark said:

Like Bitob said, FOR NOW, decide whether you want to go on offered cruises this summer or not. What comes later in the year or next year is unknown at present

We will probably pass on the Bahamas cruises because of the heat and humidity and the possibility of  early season hurricanes.  

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1 hour ago, BWIVince said:

 

I didn't say the 6' recommendation was magical, I was just giving a real-world example of how the smoking policy is managed statewide here.

 

I know this discussion is purely academic, but honestly I think most (and maybe all) smokers will be happy if the policy is to maintain X number of feet (whatever that turns out to be) when everyone is outside AND vaccinated.  Everyone understands none of those things is foolproof, but all together that sounds pretty darn safe for a 5 minute break.  ...But they'll vote with their wallet either way.

 

Vince

Actually, I've rarely seen more than one smoker at a time on any of those aft decks.  They could put 3 stickers on each of those decks and have almost 50-foot spacing for a dozen smokers, more than I think I've ever seen smoking at any time recently.'

 

Roy

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41 minutes ago, KenzSailing said:

 

I hadn't thought about it, but I'd put money on the Connoisseur Club going non-smoking, at least until such time as masks are no longer deemed necessary(which could be quite a ways away.) 

Sure hope you’re right!

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49 minutes ago, TER777 said:

Sure hope you’re right!

 

I had the same reaction!  That would solve so many problems (at least on Symphony).

 

1 hour ago, KenzSailing said:

 

I hadn't thought about it, but I'd put money on the Connoisseur Club going non-smoking, at least until such time as masks are no longer deemed necessary(which could be quite a ways away.) 

 

I was wondering that first...  While I hope they do for selfish reasons, I wonder what the science is on this?  How much more virus do people spew when they exhale smoke than one does during a meal where they're talking with a table full of guests?  Or even a cocktail table full of drinkers in a lounge conversing with masks off (while seated and drinking)?  All those activities seem to involve a lot of exhaling.

 

1 hour ago, rafinmd said:

Actually, I've rarely seen more than one smoker at a time on any of those aft decks.  They could put 3 stickers on each of those decks and have almost 50-foot spacing for a dozen smokers, more than I think I've ever seen smoking at any time recently.'

 

Roy

 

I'm glad someone else said that!  That's been my experience, but then every time I say something like that, people post that they've seen the aft decks packed with smokers.  I know it varies by cruise, but I swear I hardly ever see smokers out there -- and I spend a lot of time out on decks 7-9.

 

Vince

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I spoke to someone from Crystal about these cruises this afternoon and was told they ports are all tender ports, except Nassau.  Was also told that many people never leave the ship as that’s what Crystal is all about, the service.  Thus the itinerary to small, unknown islands.
 

We’’ve not cruised with Crystal and thought this may be an excellent introduction but I’m not sure I want to stay onboard for an entire week.

 

Thoughts?

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19 hours ago, bitob said:

 

 

I do find it strange that there is NOTHING on the website about rates and we are two days from bookings opening.

Probably haven't got the website sorted out yet but there are prices in the flyer that was sent.

BEST AVAILABLE STATEROOM OR SUITE from just $1,999 per guest* including $500 Book Now Savings and $500 Air Savings per guest

BEST AVAILABLE FARES PER GUEST FROM: $1,999 OCEANVIEW | $2,449 VERANDAH $4,249 PENTHOUSE (PH/SH)

 

 

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We have never sailed Crystal, but are following this carefully. We’ve been to Bimini once and are considering going for a few nights in May. Our son and his wife were hoping to get married on Harbor Island last November, which they were not able to do, so we’d love to see it. Everything about these cruises will be fluid, so for us the cancellation policy will be a big factor. 

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2 hours ago, suspaul said:

I spoke to someone from Crystal about these cruises this afternoon and was told they ports are all tender ports, except Nassau.  Was also told that many people never leave the ship as that’s what Crystal is all about, the service.  Thus the itinerary to small, unknown islands.
 

We’’ve not cruised with Crystal and thought this may be an excellent introduction but I’m not sure I want to stay onboard for an entire week.

 

Thoughts?

Once you have been on Crystal you will want to stay on board for 3 or 4 weeks!!!!

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2 hours ago, BWIVince said:

 

I had the same reaction!  That would solve so many problems (at least on Symphony).

 

 

I was wondering that first...  While I hope they do for selfish reasons, I wonder what the science is on this?  How much more virus do people spew when they exhale smoke than one does during a meal where they're talking with a table full of guests?  Or even a cocktail table full of drinkers in a lounge conversing with masks off (while seated and drinking)?  All those activities seem to involve a lot of exhaling.

 

 

I'm glad someone else said that!  That's been my experience, but then every time I say something like that, people post that they've seen the aft decks packed with smokers.  I know it varies by cruise, but I swear I hardly ever see smokers out there -- and I spend a lot of time out on decks 7-9.

 

Vince

In regard to the act of smoking, there are papers that say that smoking increases transmission of respiratory pathogens (both giving and receiving) as well as the susceptibility of individuals (including that of second hand smokers) to respiratory infections.  I am not sure if enough information has been gathered regarding this effect on the COVID-19 and its transmission, but I have read papers saying that people are actively studying it.

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1 hour ago, cruisingxpert said:

Probably haven't got the website sorted out yet but there are prices in the flyer that was sent.

BEST AVAILABLE STATEROOM OR SUITE from just $1,999 per guest* including $500 Book Now Savings and $500 Air Savings per guest

BEST AVAILABLE FARES PER GUEST FROM: $1,999 OCEANVIEW | $2,449 VERANDAH $4,249 PENTHOUSE (PH/SH)

 

 

I did not see anything but 1999 and up.  Thx

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Book with your Amex Platinum to get the Cruise Privileges benefits and the protection that Amex provides if they don’t sail and you need a refund.  Amex seems to have the best track record working with Crystal to get the refunds posted to credit cards.

 

As these are best available the earlier you book the better the berthing I would think.

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Bimini is Dock, not tender according to the email Crystal sent to TAs so I think res may be mistaken, as they sometimes are.

Transfers will be $20.00 each way if booked through Crystal.

They will have special rates for the Fort Lauderdale to Bimini ferry also.

Your TAs should have all this info.

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